MARCH 15, 1971: Yahya arrives in Dhaka for 'negotiation'

[El Sidd]

I will take that as a statement of your expertise on Pakistan, but no further.

It took the Pakistani Army to create that "default" in 1971.

The seeds of ethno fascism were sowed way before the army could make anything definite or default.

I know you have to tow an anti pak army line since its part of your gig here. But as i said. Pakistan should never have negotiated with terrorists of mukti bahani and their front man the bonga buddhu Mujib

 

[Saiful Islam]

No one learns any lessons in these parts. They simply delay the matter.

Bangladeshi are by default paranoid racists. Pakistanis however may have learned to not delay the matter so much that the enemy takes the course in their hands.

Honeywash tactics gone wrong i would say. Happens. Move on. Shows over. But these hilsa bandits are stuck in 71

Paranoid racists. We just wanted our own country and for that we're racists...The Urdu zoban didn't suit us, simple. And then the worst part, get bunched as Muhajirs, like that would reinforce our sense of belonging to Pakistan.

If one were to strip the Pashtuns of Pashtunwali would you not receive backlash?

 

[El Sidd]

Paranoid racists. We just wanted our own country and for that we're racists...The Urdu zoban didn't suit us, simple. And then the worst part, get bunched as Muhajirs, like that would reinforce our sense of belonging to Pakistan.

If one were to strip the Pashtuns of Pashtunwali would you not receive backlash?

I do not engage with your kind.

 

[Saiful Islam]

I do not engage with your kind.

That's fine, hear me out once more. Why did Pakistan alongside China sell fighter jets to Myanmar?

 

[Solomon2]

...Pakistan should never have negotiated with terrorists of mukti bahani and their front man the bonga buddhu Mujib

I'm not aware that such negotiations ever happened, please provide links, thanks.

 

[El Sidd]

I'm not aware that such negotiations ever happened, please provide links, thanks.

Its documented. For someone claiming to be a zionist. You need too many links

That's fine, hear me out once more. Why did Pakistan alongside China sell fighter jets to Myanmar?

To carve out Rakhine state from bangladesh

 

[Mamluk]

Yahya died 38 years ago. Get over it already!

 

[Solomon2]

Its documented. For someone claiming to be a zionist. You need too many links

Now you're just blowing smoke up my butt.

 

[El Sidd]

Now you're just blowing smoke up my butt.

Haha ok i will spare the dirty comeback.

Yahya was sent from mainland pakistan to propose a plan for a semi autonomous Bengal province which will be bound to federation of pakistan on mutual foreign policy.

Kinda like the 18th ammendment nowadays.

Mukti bahani terrorists used the space to further engulf the east pakistani populace in a paranoid frenzy known and rife through poverty stricken ethno fascists.

We could have honeywashed india and created a greater bengal province but nooooo these leeches these terrorists are instinctively paranoid and are known rebels by dna

 

[Centaur]

Who cares about the Ottoman khilafat?

Erdogan cares. Other Muslim Turkish care I believe.
No comments about others who are pseudo secular boot licker haram khor drunk who drink wine at night and then go to masjid at day time.
And other reformation any one can do, no necessarily perverts (like kemal) are not required who forced azan ( আজান ) in Turkish language , and masjid at day wine at night style.
Any good ruler like erdogan or others can do all reformation.

You can drink gallons of wine I have no problem. But you can't go to masjid if drinking is your habbit.
Kemal was a threat everything that represent Islam.

 

[Mage]

Nah not that . No one do so . And I am not history teacher . Just try various books other than western sources . And also browse net , in those days learning from different sites isn't too hard .
But you don't pay attention other than established popular history written by winners , so I doubt anything will affect on you .
I can give you an input , read this . But that's not enough.
There are thousands of link against kemal the hypocrite who imposed azan in Turkish instead of arabic .
@Mage

Well I read the article. And I still find most of Kemal's doing sensible. What's wrong if alcohol is sold in streets? You want to follow your religion then don't drink. No one is forcing you. Why couples kissing in public should bother you? I don't really think forcing roman letter or azan in Turkish are good ideas. But keeping religion separate from state and making education barring religious compulsory were the ideas that got Turkey to progress.

How many Turks do you know? I know a few in Sweden. Your idea that Kemal is a villain among Turkish populace sounds very incorrect to me.

 

[Centaur]

What's wrong if alcohol is sold in streets?

It's haram in Islam so a Muslim country must not allow this in order to avoid fitna.

Why couples kissing in public should bother you?

It is fitna.. They can even do orgy sex I have no problem. But no public nudity . It will spread fitna. And
We don't believe any salvation by grace theory like Christianity, Islam has its own law. So religion Islam and state can't be totally separated.
However this types of act will spread fitna in Muslims, so it's not allowed.
Europe and America showing respect to muslims and covering food shops during Ramadan, and you guys are advocating for fitnabaazi.
This the real problem of secularism.

I don't really think forcing roman letter or azan in Turkish are good ideas

For this work ( azan in Turkish) this haramzada kemal became an fitnabaaz +apostate. Anyone can leave Islam no complain, but forcing azan in Turkish is a devilish act as prayers and azan is mandatory in Arabic .
Thanks that you condemn it.

How many Turks do you know?

Does that matter?

Your idea that Kemal is a villain among Turkish populace sounds very incorrect to me.

Well lots of Turkish is still the supporter of kemal I never denied that. They are not Muslim, they are munafiq. Even hindutva are better than them, as hindutva is wolf and munafiqs are lamb coated wolves. Abdullah ibn ubai( munafiq) is worse than Abu jahle ( both kafir and direct enemy) in Islam .That's all.
@Mage

 

[24 Hours]

Erdogan cares. Other Muslim Turkish care I believe.
No comments about others who are pseudo secular boot licker haram khor drunk who drink wine at night and then go to masjid at day time.
And other reformation any one can do, no necessarily perverts (like kemal) are not required who forced azan ( আজান ) in Turkish language , and masjid at day wine at night style.
Any good ruler like erdogan or others can do all reformation.

You can drink gallons of wine I have no problem. But you can't go to masjid if drinking is your habbit.
Kemal was a threat everything that represent Islam.

I doubt that many Turkish Muslims care, the religiosity rate isn't exactly high. There are very few good leaders in the world, and Ataturk was a very good leader. You make it sound as if good leaders are incredibly common around the world, when this is far from the truth. And what threat did Ataturk gave Islam? Under Ataturk, Turkey pretty much became an independent state that wasn't under the influence of another.

Europe and America showing respect to muslims and covering food shops during Ramadan, and you guys are advocating for fitnabaazi.
This the difference between real secular and pseudo seculars.

Does it matter?

Out of all the years I've lived in the US, I have never seen this happen, probably isolated cases. And no that doesn't make you secular.

And yes it does matter if you're going to speak on Turkish opinion. When was the last time you visited Turkey,if you have ever visited Turkey. I've visited Istanbul almost 3 years ago and I know plenty of Turkish diaspora here. I never heard these types of claims, they all loved Ataturk.

 

[Centaur]

Out of all the years I've lived in the US, I have never seen this happen, probably isolated cases. And no that doesn't make you secular.

Just read some news, not sure about this. Read that few shops are doing so? Not sure. however closing shop is not a big deal .
They may close or not, that doesn't affect us.
But probably selling wine in Street is extremely offensive in a Muslim country .

 

[Homo Sapiens]

What is this? Kemal is called the father of Turkey for a reason and he has a well deserved title of "Ataturk." Westernized Turkey under Ataturk had massive increase in literacy rates. His social reforms gave women better status. He was able to be build the foundations of a modern industrial base. Under him Turkey came out as a strong, independent republic. What has Erodogan done to surpass Ataturk in exactly? A westernized Turkey is great as it represented an ideal for developing nations to strive for. There were plenty of Muslims that saw him as a hero for his success in the Turkish war of independence. That is far more impressive than anything Erodgan has done in comparison. All these are proof that a Muslim country can undergo western and secular reforms.

Who cares about the Ottoman khilafat? Only a fool should, the years before WWI showed an empire in decline. They were called the sick man of Europe for a reason.

There is a saying in Turkey, 'Turkish nation should thank God for Ataturk and thank Ataturk for everything else.'