MARCH 15, 1971: Yahya arrives in Dhaka for 'negotiation'

[Michael Corleone]

Europe is doing way better than islamic world. You are after all typing right here in a European language, not arabic.

Sour grapes are funny.

A language whose words are influenced by many.
Arabic is one of the most spoken language in the world. Will be the 4th largest by 2050

 

[Saiful Islam]

A language whose words are influenced by many.
Arabic is one of the most spoken language in the world. Will be the 4th largest by 2050

Arabic is the liturgical language of more than 30+ states. What is this moron on about.

Or we lying again?

 

[Mage]

Arabic is the liturgical language of more than 30+ states. What is this moron on about.

Or we lying again?

Still you are using English...not Arabic, why?

 

[Centaur]

Still you are using English...not Arabic, why?

Lol is this even a question? Even Arabic isn't allowed here for Arabian. Only english is allowed .
However , you know that because of American hegemony, after brtish empire , English is international language. So such questions are either provoking ( like if you value the most , why don't use it bla bla ....)
,Or simply childish .

 

[Mage]

Lol is this even a question? Even Arabic isn't allowed here for Arabian. Only english is allowed .
However , you know that because of American hegemony, after brtish empire , English is international language. So such questions are either provoking ( like if you value the most , why don't use it bla bla ....)
,Or simply childish .

Why Americans or English were able to create the hegemony and Arabs with superior belief system couldn't?

 

[Centaur]

Why Americans or English were able to create the hegemony and Arabs with superior belief system couldn't?

Lol again? Arabs were Superior. Then others.
Read about rashidun caliphate , umaiya, abbasid , then mameluke , ottomans , seljuks , Mughals all were Superior in their age .

However bold part was extremely provocative.
Study world history and learn how winners oppressed others .
Why do you believe then america will lead for ever ?
How do you believe that any muslim country will not in the pick again ?
But I don't want to push further .
So no argument.

 

[Saiful Islam]

Still you are using English...not Arabic, why?

It's a religious language used by more than 1.6bn+ people.

 

[Mage]

Lol again? Arabs were Superior. Then others.
Read about rashidun caliphate , umaiya, abbasid , then mameluke , ottomans , seljuks , Mughals all were Superior in their age .

However bold part was extremely provocative.
Study world history and learn how winners oppressed others .
Why do you believe then america will lead for ever ?
How do you believe that any muslim country will not in the pick again ?
But I don't want to push further .
So no argument.

Well, Arabs had their moments in history. Not because of their religious beliefs but because of their knowledge at that time. Egyptians had their moments. They made Pyramid when Europeans couldn't even imagine such structures. And they were idolaters, I think. West is doing good because after fighting wars for hundreds of years because of religion they finally put it behind. And separated church from state. But Muslims are fighting wars because of religion even today. And people prioritize religious education over gaining scientific knowledge. They can never advance like this. Chinese are doing good...and they forced secularism into their nation very violently.

I can't see America ruling forever. But I can't see Muslim nations with such mentality rising either.

It's a religious language used by more than 1.6bn+ people.

And you are still writing English. No one can make you see if you pretend to be blind.

I am not bootlicking the west. I am just against the view that we should follow Arab tradition and make Mullah ideology thrive here. Because I find it backward. A country needs a progressive mindset to move forward.

 

[Saiful Islam]

And you are still writing English. No one can make you see if you pretend to be blind.

I wasn't arguing over whether I'm writing in English or not. Making the point that Arabic is widespread...Made inroads it so many languages and is that liturgical language of 50 states.

English entered through plunder and brute.

 

[Mage]

I wasn't arguing over whether I'm writing in English or not. Making the point that Arabic is widespread...Made inroads it so many languages and is that liturgical language of 50 states.

English entered through plunder and brute.

I agree with it....although Arabic also spread through conquest as well. Assyrians and Berbers didn't always speak in Arabic. In the past Europeans learned Arabic and Persians to gain knowledge. Because back then Arabs were progressive minded. But somehow they lost the way. Isn't it why they were conquered? Halagu Khan plundered Baghdad while much powerful Mongol leader Kublai Khan failed in Japan. If Muslims could separate religion from state thousand years ago and keep their lead in knowledge , they wouldn't be in such a miserable condition that they are in today.

 

[Centaur]

Not because of their religious beliefs

When did I say that Arabs were Superior because of their religious beliefs? Same goes for other countries, try to pay attention before replying !

 

[Centaur]

Probably the most well written reply in this topic I have seen in pdf.


I think you missed his point. It is not about how things was. Talking about Islamic Golden age is pointless. What worked a Millennium ago probably won't work today. It is about how things should be. Religion is a private matter of people. So don't make a particular religion a national thing. Just like Islam is sacred for you, there are people for whom Hinduism or Christianity is sacred. So do not enforce religious values of one religion on the entire nation. If people have the right to practise religion, then they also have the right not to practise as well. You do your halal. Let others do some haram as long as it doesn't harm anyone. And people kissing in public or selling pork or alcohol don't harm you.

Just let me ask a simple question . Can you arrange an orgy party in the streets of EU ?

Can you garanty that police will not arrest them?
If you can arrange ( without the interfate of police ) then inform me, I will not complain about public kissing Party and street drunk party .
Don't tell me that those are totally different thing .

The debate isn't about different thing ,but about tolerating something until it hurting you .

So neither orgy nor kissing Party openly is hurting others.
All are personal choice and freedom with different degrees.
@Mage

 

[Michael Corleone]

Arabic is the liturgical language of more than 30+ states. What is this moron on about.

Or we lying again?

According to him, anyfacts coming from a Bengali, with or without source is inconclusive evidence.

Just let me ask a simple question . Can you arrange an orgy party in the streets of EU ?

Can you garanty that police will not arrest them?
If you can arrange ( without the interfate of police ) then inform me, I will not complain about public kissing Party and street drunk party .
Don't tell me that those are totally different thing .

The debate isn't about different thing ,but about tolerating something until it hurting you .

So neither orgy nor kissing Party openly is hurting others.
All are personal choice and freedom with different degrees.
@Mage

You can have orgy at your house np. Public display of affection, aka kissing,hugging,holding hands is allowed.

Look society fails when you try to restrict each and every part of people’s lives.

Street drunk party, varies by places and time for when it’s allowed and not

 

[Centaur]

You can have orgy at your house np. Public display of affection, aka kissing,hugging,holding hands is allowed.

Yes kissing allowed. I have no problem with that.
But selling wine in public isn't allowed and should never be.

I was not talking about such kissing . My aim was to taught @Mage a lesson with his own useless logics of freedom and nothing else.
Today he wants wine trade in the streets of Muslim countries for the sake of freedom, then why can't anyone can ask for orgy sex in EU streets .
thats why I went further even about kissing. My real message was against selling wine everywhere in order to become secular .
@Michael Corleone Read his bottom lines

And people kissing in public or selling pork or alcohol don't harm you.

His previous message was selling pork in the streets of Muslim countries.
So my remark was just to show his logical fallacy, not if any couple kiss in public .
In DU campus, dhanmondi Lake , botanical garden and many other places thousands of couples not only kissing openly , but also finding. .... Bla bla bla. You know what I mean.
But who I am to stop them?And why should I want to stop them? But selling wine is BD street? Not tolerable and its enough to provoking anyone.

রাস্তা ঘাটে মদ বেচা হবে শরবতের মত আর সেগুলা সহ্য করে সাজা লাগবে সহনশীল? মেজের এই ছ্যাচড়ামীর জবাবেই আমি অনেক দূর চলে গেছি।
Neither no intention to stop kissing . As it was personal but selling wine in streets is social chaos.
And such types of guys are actually sugar coated quinine, who suggest compare selling wine in streets as sign of freedom.
And who (@Ashik Mahmud did) compare such feelings with persecution of rohingyas are even worse.

 

[Mage]

Just let me ask a simple question . Can you arrange an orgy party in the streets of EU ?

Maybe........not in every street though...and finding people to do it without payment would be tough.
http://www.romancemeetslife.com/2014/06/it-is-legal-in-amsterdam-and-copenhagen.html
Also, I think in Spain, the law views nudity and sex as basic needs. You can have sex anywhere except in front of children. Humans are animals. Animals are having sex publicly...why not humans?
People should have the right to have sex in public(Unless it is in front of a school, church, Masjid or temple or maybe even prison lol). Whether many people would like to do it in public or not is a different question entirely.

Not every law if fine within EU. Based on my view, I would be very Liberal even among liberals.
I would advocate for legalizing brothels, euthanasia, incest(between consenting adults)...and most of the banned drugs. People should have the right to suffer because of their decision. Limited governance is the key. Let people live their lives without the govt interfering them as long as they are not harming others.