Lt Gen Rizwan Akhtar, ex-ISI chief, decides to retire early

[CriticalThought]

Man, your definition and interpretation sounds very familiar..I heard them before..from who did I hear? oh yeah!!! ISIS and Talibans... unfortunately. A person like you who is so educated and nice will buy into a such a crap saddens me. The scholar who taught you must be shot because he is some khawarij.

There are pre-conditions to be met before shariah system can be implemented. Why the world is wary of Islam because some mindless mullahs are trying to implement their agendas..

Can you tell me why did our all knowing Creator Allah, banned the intoxicant (alcohol) in a step wise manner? Why not in a single step?
The system of economic justices needs to be implemented and well functioning before these punishments can be implemented. What's wrong with you guys? who is brainwashing you? Your ignorance I say with a sad heart and this way you are doing a disservice to the religion and the nation. Please learn it before you start commenting about this to the world. Do you know that Omar ibn- Khattab, second caliph and a companion of the holy Prophet (Peace be upon him, his family and friends) cancelled the implementation of this punishment during a drought when a man stole wheat from a hoarder. He rather punished the hoarder...I'm really ashamed that the knowledge of our youth is so low and they basically make all the islamophobic crap in the media legitimate.
@I.R.A can you please contribute to this discussion?

Mind your tongue. You are overstepping your bounds. It's easy to blabber on the internet but in real life, if you publicly talked about shooting this scholar in Pakistan people will deal with you. You should recite the Kalimah and repeat your Nikah with your wife because you just called a Muslim 'Khawariji'. It's people like you who think they define Islam on the internet who should be banned. Get this: DO NOT TRY TO APPOINT YOURSELF AS AN AUTHORITY BECAUSE YOU ARE A NOBODY.

I can see that you are running a malicious campaign of subversion. Whereas I haven't even given the definition, you are judging me by it. You are an insidious character and you have just revealed your true black face. Now shut your trap because I don't want to know what you think about scholars and Islam.

The scholar who taught you must be shot because he is some khawarij.

This is incitement towards murder and use if internet to incite towards murder.

@WebMaster

There are pre-conditions to be met before shariah system can be implemented. Why the world is wary of Islam because some mindless mullahs are trying to implement their agendas..

Can you tell me why did our all knowing Creator Allah, banned the intoxicant (alcohol) in a step wise manner? Why not in a single step?
The system of economic justices needs to be implemented and well functioning before these punishments can be implemented. What's wrong with you guys? who is brainwashing you? Your ignorance I say with a sad heart and this way you are doing a disservice to the religion and the nation. Please learn it before you start commenting about this to the world. Do you know that Omar ibn- Khattab, second caliph and a companion of the holy Prophet (Peace be upon him, his family and friends) cancelled the implementation of this punishment during a drought when a man stole wheat from a hoarder. He rather punished the hoarder...I'm really ashamed that the knowledge of our youth is so low and they basically make all the islamophobic crap in the media legitimate.
@I.R.A can you please contribute to this discussion?

I asked the scholar specifically about this and he said in the example of Hazrar Omar May Allah be Pleased with him, the amount stolen was less than the defined amount. If the definition is satisfied, no one on this world can change the Hadd.

The precondition for Hadd is the Prophethood of Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu 'Alaihi wa Aalihi Wasallam. Thus precondition is now established. Don't try to comment on matters of Hadd because this matter is extremely delicate and wrong words can push a person outside the boundaries of Islam.

Glad I could do that, in addition the punishment is not to cut off the hand in first instance of punishment. It is just a finger (I believe) and then it builds.

The idea of punishment in Islam is not to get even but to deter. But there is a certain ground work that needs to be prepared for deterrence to be effective. A proper welfare system ensures that nobody has to steal or resort to unlawful activities unless the intention is greed beyond requirement. For example, Islam teaches us to make Nikkah easier than prostitution, it encourages us to make Nikkah and marriage easy and accessible so much so that people stop indulging in the business of prostitution.

Janab, the only thing needed was the Prophethood of Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahi 'Alaihi wa Aalihi Wasallam. If today the Hadd prescribed by Allah the Almighty is not being implemented, then it is a serious enough matter to cause Heaven and Earth to shake. Also, it is fallacious information to say that first a 'finger' would be cut. The Hadd prescribes a hand, and that is the way it is.

You posted a pic with Rizwan akhtar farewell , i am yet to connect a link ?


And what is that amount ? for knowledge... if some steal a bunch of dates lets say

Apologies I dont know the amount but he gave the example that if someone steals a Roti, that is not punishable by chopping the hand.

 

[Baghial]

Ohh wowww what a proof !
Lol I didn't knew bharia town chairman Malik Riaz was a general or Colonel in army!


@war&peace @Dawood Ibrahim @Khafee @Zibago @Windjammer .

no , but 90% retd army man go there and take jobs just for there humilation,,, pak milt is an buisness empire ,

 

[war&peace]

Mind your tongue. You are overstepping your bounds. It's easy to blabber on the internet but in real life, if you publicly talked about shooting this scholar in Pakistan people will deal with you. You should recite the Kalimah and repeat your Nikah with your wife because you just called a Muslim 'Khawariji'. It's people like you who think they define Islam on the internet who should be banned. Get this: DO NOT TRY TO APPOINT YOURSELF AS AN AUTHORITY BECAUSE YOU ARE A NOBODY.

I can see that you are running a malicious campaign of subversion. Whereas I haven't even given the definition, you are judging me by it. You are an insidious character and you have just revealed your true black face. Now shut your trap because I don't want to know what you think about scholars and Islam.



This is incitement towards murder and use if internet to incite towards murder.

@WebMaster



I asked the scholar specifically about this and he said in the example of Hazrar Omar May Allah be Pleased with him, the amount stolen was less than the defined amount. If the definition is satisfied, no one on this world can change the Hadd.

The precondition for Hadd is the Prophethood of Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu 'Alaihi wa Aalihi Wasallam. Thus precondition is now established. Don't try to comment on matters of Hadd because this matter is extremely delicate and wrong words can push a person outside the boundaries of Islam.



Janab, the only thing needed was the Prophethood of Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahi 'Alaihi wa Aalihi Wasallam. If today the Hadd prescribed by Allah the Almighty is not being implemented, then it is a serious enough matter to cause Heaven and Earth to shake. Also, it is fallacious information to say that first a 'finger' would be cut. The Hadd prescribes a hand, and that is the way it is.



Apologies I dont know the amount but he gave the example that if someone steals a Roti, that is not punishable by chopping the hand.

Oh calm down kiddo!!! we the people of Pakistan are already hunting down the khawarijeen... Pakistan army has got some great expertise and khawarij have no place in Pakistan....By the way lemme guess your so called scholars is Mauli Fazal ullah and Maulvi Abdul Aziz (lanatullah alaihuma)... When you talk about mindlessly implementing shariah without fulfilling the preconditions like ISIS does,

 

[Big Tank]

I agree that Maj Gen Bilal Akbar did the dirty work or on ground but the planning and information collection was carried out by Rizwan Akhtar

Any ISI Chief can do that. The thing to note is that what Rizwan did during his tenure as DG Rangers? Nothing. MQM was ruling during his time. Their goons would do whatever they wish to. Intelligence Collection in your own country against such a well known Poltical group is not a big deal.

 

[Mav3rick]

Janab, the only thing needed was the Prophethood of Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahi 'Alaihi wa Aalihi Wasallam. If today the Hadd prescribed by Allah the Almighty is not being implemented, then it is a serious enough matter to cause Heaven and Earth to shake. Also, it is fallacious information to say that first a 'finger' would be cut. The Hadd prescribes a hand, and that is the way it is.

I recall an incident, not very accurately, where a person was brought before the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) on charges of theft. Could have been someone known by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). During the course of the trial, it was established that the person had indeed committed theft and was duly awarded punishment of amputation. While the sentence was being carried out the Prophet (PBUH) started crying upon which the Sahaba (RA) enquired as to why he was crying. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) responded that he was extremely sad to see the sentence being carried out to which the Sahaba (RA) replied that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) could very well stop the execution of the punishment. However, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) responded that since the matter had been brought before the Prophet (PBUH) as a Qazi (Judge), he was bound to pass judgement but that it would have been a better choice had people counselled the thief rather than bringing the matter to the Qazi straightaway. This teaches us that we should hide sins of others and try to counsel them rather than to seek punishment.....punishment is meant for repeat offenders.

You may also recall that the matter of temporary marriage (mutta) was brought up during the caliphate of Hazrat Umar (RA) who banned the practice after which it was discontinued. It was a matter that was allowed by the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) but banned and discontinued by Hazrat Umar (RA). What that teaches us is that we need to keep up with changes and times. Hadd is a guideline which has to be interpreted and understood based on current times and situations. Everything must be done with consensus by a council of ulemas and learned scholars.

 

[Amaa'n]

Any ISI Chief can do that. The thing to note is that what Rizwan did during his tenure as DG Rangers? Nothing. MQM was ruling during his time. Their goons would do whatever they wish to. Intelligence Collection in your own country against such a well known Poltical group is not a big deal.

There are more factors at play here than just being a DG of a Paramilitary force ----- same can be applied for Gen. Kiyani who served us through tough times for almost a decade -- being a DG ISI & later as COAS --- he was a resilient commander ----
There was a lack of political commitment towards internal security ---- there was no system in place ---- today you have apex committee to review the performance, take in the good & bad feedback --- work on the issues being faced --- take action ---- back then there was nothing --- be it Karachi or Abottabad

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

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[Humble Analyst]

Any ISI Chief can do that. The thing to note is that what Rizwan did during his tenure as DG Rangers? Nothing. MQM was ruling during his time. Their goons would do whatever they wish to. Intelligence Collection in your own country against such a well known Poltical group is not a big deal.

Rizwan planned the operation which Akbar carried out.

 

[!eon]

Every institute of Pakistan is corrupt, Army is no exception.

 

[Amaa'n]

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i would ignore it, Pakistani media has a habit of mud slinging the outgoing generals ---- they did the same to Gen.Kiyani because of his brother, they did the same to General Pasha, Gen. Zaheer Ul Islam, & now Gen. Rizwan Akhtar---- the proposal may have been initiated by Air Commodore, but it was to be approved by MD, CEO & CFO too, so one cannot malign one person in all this charade just because he initiated it -----these so called Anchors should be ashamed of themselves ---

 

[Mrc]

i would ignore it, Pakistani media has a habit of mud slinging the outgoing generals ---- they did the same to Gen.Kiyani because of his brother, they did the same to General Pasha, Gen. Zaheer Ul Islam, & now Gen. Rizwan Akhtar---- the proposal may have been initiated by Air Commodore, but it was to be approved by MD, CEO & CFO too, so one cannot malign one person in all this charade just because he initiated it -----these so called Anchors should be ashamed of themselves ---

This particular anchor is a shame less creature

 

[Big Tank]

i would ignore it, Pakistani media has a habit of mud slinging the outgoing generals ---- they did the same to Gen.Kiyani because of his brother, they did the same to General Pasha, Gen. Zaheer Ul Islam, & now Gen. Rizwan Akhtar---- the proposal may have been initiated by Air Commodore, but it was to be approved by MD, CEO & CFO too, so one cannot malign one person in all this charade just because he initiated it -----these so called Anchors should be ashamed of themselves ---

Whatever. Both Pasha and Rizwan were controversial characters. Why did COAS move him from the ISI? I am not saying he was involved but his brother was. Do not even talk about Pasha mate. He is no less than the Politicians who sell their country.