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Libya on brink of Tripoli showdown

Libya was among the most prosperous of Islamic states until US-France duo decided to do away with 'Gaddafi regime' and ruined Libyan armed forces in the process. Very sad.

Libya was pushing for an independent African economic zone...

Monarchy and dictatorships are bound to fail at some point of time since there doesn't exist a safety valve called an opposition (a credible opposition) to criticise, question or even correct the government in times however good or corrupt the entire system maybe. History is the proof. :-)
 
failed to be civilized democratic country in 1951 after independence . yet again fall in hands of a crazy person Qaddafi in 1969 and bit the dust in 2011 when public released pressure of 70 years . this is what happen if you keep people in jail for 70 years and suddenly released them . failed to used oil for education research industrializing economy . no human rights no democracy no liberty no freedom . end was written on wall what we are watching it now .
Now public is having dusting coming out of there every hole.
 
failed to be civilized democratic country in 1951 after independence . yet again fall in hands of a crazy person Qaddafi in 1969 and bit the dust in 2011 when public released pressure of 70 years . this is what happen if you keep people in jail for 70 years and suddenly released them . failed to used oil for education research industrializing economy . no human rights no democracy no liberty no freedom . end was written on wall what we are watching it now .
In Gaddafi's time Libya was richest country in Africa and Gaddafi was removed in 2011 how is Libya doing under European occupation? Is it a democratic success story?
 
Monarchy and dictatorships are bound to fail at some point of time since there doesn't exist a safety valve called an opposition (a credible opposition) to criticise, question or even correct the government in times however good or corrupt the entire system maybe. History is the proof. :-)

And history is a proof that democratic countries will always fail as well. Democracy existed in ancient states, from Greece, China to Tibet, but they could not flourish, because sooner and later, more authoritarian ones will become stronger and kill them, or they will select a dictator themselves.

In China Spring - Autumn period, the Qin state, by retaining the rule in the hand of the King and not sharing power to aristocracy families, from the weakest state, after 200 years, thank to a lot of reforms, it became the strongest and conquered all others and united China in 200BC. It retained the discipline in the state and the frugal, simple way of living.

In the remaining 6 big states, because no one had the absolute power, no reform could be made because there were too many voices in the court. Albeit still rich, they were weakened, spoiled themselves by their wealth, disciplines were loosened and no one listened to anyone.

Very similar to today world geopolitic. I believe if there is a war, country like North Korea can easily win middle-sized western powers like France or UK.
 
And history is a proof that democratic countries will always fail as well. Democracy existed in ancient states, from Greece, China to Tibet, but they could not flourish, because sooner and later, more authoritarian ones will become stronger and kill them, or they will select a dictator themselves.

In China Spring - Autumn period, the Qin state, by retaining the rule in the hand of the King and not sharing power to aristocracy families, from the weakest state, after 200 years, thank to a lot of reforms, it became the strongest and conquered all others and united China in 200BC. It retained the discipline in the state and the frugal, simple way of living.

In the remaining 6 big states, because no one had the absolute power, no reform could be made because there were too many voices in the court. Albeit still rich, they were weakened, spoiled themselves by their wealth, disciplines were loosened and no one listened to anyone.

Very similar to today world geopolitic. I believe if there is a war, country like North Korea can easily win middle-sized western powers like France or UK.

Well over the last century, how many democracies have failed completely unlike Monarchy/Dictatorship ??? No please do go to far in history, human life is a process of evolution and Democracy is relatively a new idea if we consider the long human history in the world. :-)
 
Mossadeq was removed by the CIA because he nationalised the oil industry, put it under Iranian ownership. Even the Americans accept this.
Which is another way of saying that he stole the British shares in the joint company created to drill for oil. The origin of the Iranian Oil industry was a company created by British investors, and Iran got a share. The British government bought shares later giving them an interest.
Same with Nasser and the Suez Canal. The deal would bring the canal into Egyptian ownership early 1960s (IIRC), but no, Nasser had to steal it a few years earlier.

Gaddafi’s rule was authoritarian but not dissimilar to China which has progressed hugely. I ask do people in Libya want highest HDI in Africa, $10,000 for every child, marriage and free university and subsidised housing. It was paradise and he did far more redistribution of income than any other oil state.

He was only removed because he challenged the US order. It was never about human rights or the nasty Israeli & Egyptian regimes would have gone long ago.

I am sure the Women raped by Ghaddafi agreed it was paradise to get raped.
He was removed because people in Libya hated his guts, and he responded with massacres.
 
Which is another way of saying that he stole the British shares in the joint company created to drill for oil. The origin of the Iranian Oil industry was a company created by British investors, and Iran got a share. The British government bought shares later giving them an interest.
Same with Nasser and the Suez Canal. The deal would bring the canal into Egyptian ownership early 1960s (IIRC), but no, Nasser had to steal it a few years earlier.

No, he bought out the British shares. Nasser bought out the British shares and the shareholders were paid, I believe 10% above their value. It is what every government in a country can do; it's called soverengnty.
 
No, he bought out the British shares. Nasser bought out the British shares and the shareholders were paid, I believe 10% above their value. It is what every government in a country can do; it's called soverengnty.

Not if it violates treaties, they previously agreed to.
He did not buy, he paid damages for violating shareholders rights.
 
Well over the last century, how many democracies have failed completely unlike Monarchy/Dictatorship ??? No please do go to far in history, human life is a process of evolution and Democracy is relatively a new idea if we consider the long human history in the world. :-)

Mate, in today world, there is no absolute monarchy/dictatorship and no absolute democracy. All learning from each other. In many aspects, China and Vietnam are more open and democratic than most Western democracies (for example, religious freedom), not to mention non-western democracies like India, the Phillipines and SS African. In economic policies, no one can say we are communists.

and over the last century, how many authoritarian have failed completely? At least, no more than democracies which have failed. And please do not say countries like Haiti or Siera Leon are not democracies. Ones can say same thing that Singapore or China are the only and true samples of authoritarian style of governance.

The world is in a permanent evolution and the country who can maintain disciplines and hard-working spirit will always win.
 
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In Gaddafi's time Libya was richest country in Africa and Gaddafi was removed in 2011 how is Libya doing under European occupation? Is it a democratic success story?

If Libya was richest state who are the people revolting against Gaddafi ?

Mate, in today world, there is no absolute monarchy/dictatorship and no absolute democracy. All learning from each other. In many aspects, China and Vietnam are more open and democratic than most Western democracies (for example, religious freedom), not to mention non-western democracies like India, the Phillipines and SS African. In economic policies, no one can say we are communists.

and over the last century, how many authoritarian have failed completely? At least, no more than democracies which have failed. And please do not say countries like Haiti or Siera Leon are not democracies. Ones can say same thing that Singapore or China are the only and true samples of authoritarian style of governance.

The world is in a permanent evolution and the country who can maintain disciplines and hard-working spirit will always win.

Do you want to take your chances with Cambodia under Pol Pot or North Korea under dear leader ?
 
Libya crisis: Egypt’s Sisi backs Haftar assault on Tripoli
Warlord also understood to have private support of Saudi Arabia and the UAE

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Khalifa Haftar, the Libyan warlord bombarding Tripoli in an attempt to oust the country’s UN-recognised government, has won unequivocal support from the Egyptian leader, Abdel Fatah al-Sisi, his closest political ally.

“The president affirmed Egypt’s support in efforts to fight terrorism and extremist militias to achieve security and stability for Libyan citizens throughout the country,” Sisi’s office said on Sunday.

It is thought Haftar also has the private support of leaders in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

The Cairo meeting came amid reports the Italian security services were warning that Libya could become “another Syria”, as fighting and general instability could prompt thousands more people to try to flee across the Mediterranean to Europe.

Haftar has defied international calls to halt his battle against fighters loyal to the government of national accord (GNA) based in Tripoli, the capital. The warlord supports a parallel administration based in Libya’s east. Egypt has provided funding and arms to Haftar’s “Libyan National Army”, seeing him as a bulwark against Islamist militants.

As fighting raged in the capital, the death toll since Haftar’s assault began on Thursday was put at 121 by the UN World Health Organization, with nearly 600 wounded. More than 13,000 civilians have been displaced by the fighting, which has included air raids that have hit schools.

In a message directed at Haftar, the UN’s special envoy for Libya, Ghassan Salamé, said: “Our position will not change. You’ve learned and tasted war. No matter how obstinate one becomes, there is no solution except a political one.”

Before last week, Salamé believed he had finally negotiated a deal that would have seen a painful reunification of Haftar’s forces in the east with the government in the west, thereby creating a single set of economic and political institutions across the country for the first time in four years.

Haftar’s assault, as well as thwarting that plan, threatens to disrupt oil supplies. The chairman of the Libyan National Oil Corporation warned that supplies faced their biggest threat since 2011, when Nato-backed Libyan forces ousted Muammar Gaddafi.

With Haftar seemingly bogged down on the outskirts of Tripoli, Sisi was probably the single external leader who might have persuaded the Libyan warlord to accept a ceasefire.

Italy, the former colonial power in Libya, with extensive oil investments, is trying to protect the Tripoli-based government, led by Fayez al-Sarraj. Italy’s coalition government has ruled out any use of military force.


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A displaced Libyan woman in Tripoli. Photograph: Ahmed Jadallah/Reuters
Italian newspapers reported that Italian security services had warned that 6,000 people might try to flee the fighting, and that human traffickers were trying to take advantage of the chaos. The International Organization for Migration said it was impossible to predict the numbers that might try to leave detention camps, some of which are administered by the UN. The Italian interior minister, Matteo Salvini, has insisted Italian ports will remain closed to all migrants.

Italy’s already fraught diplomatic relations with France have been put under further pressure by Haftar’s attack. Last week France blocked a draft EU resolution that would have condemned him and called for him to retreat.

The GNA vice-president, Ahmed Maiteeq, was due in Rome on Monday as part of a tour of Europe including Berlin and London, where he will try to enlist support for a ceasefire – only if Haftar’s forces retreat to pre-existing positions.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...is-egypt-sisi-backs-haftar-assault-on-tripoli
 

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