Leonardo M346 For PAF

[Ahmet Pasha]

So does Z-20 and several other chinese weapons systems and consumer products.

So PAF has not issued an official requirement yet. The companies are proposing and promoting their vares as a marketing move to woo a potential client. Interestingly, the L-15 can trace its roots directly to Yak-130 and M346.

 

[Danish saleem]

After development of K-8s in Mid 90's we wasted almost 20 years, and not even able to develop our own fighter trainers? 2 decades are enough for development.

 

[niaz]

After development of K-8s in Mid 90's we wasted almost 20 years, and not even able to develop our own fighter trainers? 2 decades are enough for development.

Honourable Sir,

Lead in fighter training is about learning the fundamentals of flying a modern tactical aircraft. Hence primary function of a LIFT (Lead-in fighter trainer) aircraft is to prepare the pilot for the transition from ‘trainee’ pilot to the frontline fighter aircraft which are normally supersonic and with highly sophisticated radar & avionics.

Thus LIFT needs to have supersonic or high subsonic speed with such handling characteristics, instrument systems and radar that the new pilot is at ease with the handling and sophisticated radar & avionics of the 4th/5th generation fighters. Whereas K-8 is not very fast and to the best of my info, has no radar, therefore is at best an intermediate trainer.

Before one can answer your question, one must look at the design & development of the K-8. Even though it was a joint effort, lions’ share of the work was done by the Chinese.

K-8 was designed primarily by the Nanchang Aircraft Corporation with Hongdu Aviation Corporation as the main contractor. Understand the design team included about 20 Pakistanis and over 100 Chinese engineers.

The power plant is the US built Garrett TFE731 turbofan and avionics being Rockwell Collins EFIS (Electronic Flight Control Instrument system.
Thus, Pakistani share was limited to about 20% in airframe design only with propulsion and control systems bought off the shelf from the US. Therefore to expect Pakistan to develop an indigenous LIFT aircraft based on the K-8 experience is highly presumptuous.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Honourable Sir,

Lead in fighter training is about learning the fundamentals of flying a modern tactical aircraft. Hence primary function of a LIFT (Lead-in fighter trainer) aircraft is to prepare the pilot for the transition from ‘trainee’ pilot to the frontline fighter aircraft which are normally supersonic and with highly sophisticated radar & avionics.

Thus LIFT needs to have supersonic or high subsonic speed with such handling characteristics, instrument systems and radar that the new pilot is at ease with the handling and sophisticated radar & avionics of the 4th/5th generation fighters. Whereas K-8 is not very fast and to the best of my info, has no radar, therefore is at best an intermediate trainer.

Before one can answer your question, one must look at the design & development of the K-8. Even though it was a joint effort, lions’ share of the work was done by the Chinese.

K-8 was designed primarily by the Nanchang Aircraft Corporation with Hongdu Aviation Corporation as the main contractor. Understand the design team included about 20 Pakistanis and over 100 Chinese engineers.

The power plant is the US built Garrett TFE731 turbofan and avionics being Rockwell Collins EFIS (Electronic Flight Control Instrument system.
Thus, Pakistani share was limited to about 20% in airframe design only with propulsion and control systems bought off the shelf from the US. Therefore to expect Pakistan to develop an indigenous LIFT aircraft based on the K-8 experience is highly presumptuous.

Moreover, in those 20 years, the majority of PAC's resources went into the JF-17.

 

[Danish saleem]

Honourable Sir,

Lead in fighter training is about learning the fundamentals of flying a modern tactical aircraft. Hence primary function of a LIFT (Lead-in fighter trainer) aircraft is to prepare the pilot for the transition from ‘trainee’ pilot to the frontline fighter aircraft which are normally supersonic and with highly sophisticated radar & avionics.

Thus LIFT needs to have supersonic or high subsonic speed with such handling characteristics, instrument systems and radar that the new pilot is at ease with the handling and sophisticated radar & avionics of the 4th/5th generation fighters. Whereas K-8 is not very fast and to the best of my info, has no radar, therefore is at best an intermediate trainer.

Before one can answer your question, one must look at the design & development of the K-8. Even though it was a joint effort, lions’ share of the work was done by the Chinese.

K-8 was designed primarily by the Nanchang Aircraft Corporation with Hongdu Aviation Corporation as the main contractor. Understand the design team included about 20 Pakistanis and over 100 Chinese engineers.

The power plant is the US built Garrett TFE731 turbofan and avionics being Rockwell Collins EFIS (Electronic Flight Control Instrument system.
Thus, Pakistani share was limited to about 20% in airframe design only with propulsion and control systems bought off the shelf from the US. Therefore to expect Pakistan to develop an indigenous LIFT aircraft based on the K-8 experience is highly presumptuous.

i differ bro, development of LIFT is never our priority! bro we are lacking in development of new idea's, we just following the others ideas. that my point.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Moreover, in those 20 years, the majority of PAC's resources went into the JF-17.

What do you think if 20yrs of hard work bears fruit in form of JF-17 sales can PAF ask South Korea for TAI K-50 Golden Eagle sales with transfer of technology? That would be a force multiplier in a defensive role.