Language can unite (Hindi - Urdu)

[asad71]

The famous film Devdas was done with Dilip Kumar in the first version in chaste Urdu. In the latest version with Shahrukh Khan it is in Hindi. See both movies to see the difference in the languages.

 

[Twain Shakespeare]

From a monolingual far from the subcontinent, there are similar problems with other languages. Of course, (spoken) living language is incomprehensible when tyranscribed from any language. Written language requires more preciision, and expansion to include information that in person is conveyed non-verbally, or by tone, pitch, or modulation.
Yiddish and German are about as mutually comprehensible when spoken as Urdu and Hindi, but one is written in Gothic, the other in Hebrew. Likewise, the Croatian, Bosnian and Serbian dialects of South Slavic are virtually indistinguishable, except that they are written in the roman, arabic, and cyrillac alphabets.
Judging from the record, it seems to be a bad idea for social relations to create artificial divisions among language users on the basis of the artificial distinctions of literacy.
By the way, as a speaker of Mid-American, I find sub-titles very helpful when listening to Brits. The problem in writing is that many words have subtle, or even gross, differences, in meaning.

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

The famous film Devdas was done with Dilip Kumar in the first version in chaste Urdu. In the latest version with Shahrukh Khan it is in Hindi. See both movies to see the difference in the languages.

Yes, and the original movie the lead character was often called just as we would call him - Deodas, and not Devdas!

 

[Roybot]

The famous film Devdas was done with Dilip Kumar in the first version in chaste Urdu. In the latest version with Shahrukh Khan it is in Hindi. See both movies to see the difference in the languages.

Chaste Urdu indeed

Some of the tripe you guys come up with.

 

[kingkobra]

Bhauu Marathi Changlich mahit ahe ki....

bhau marathi aahe me mhanun changli yete marathi

 

[kingkobra]

Peoples are again confuse between Urdu-Hindi

Urdu developed under Persian, Arabic, and Turkic influence over the course of almost 900 years.It began to take shape in what is now Uttar Pradesh during the Delhi Sultanate (1206–1527), and continued to develop under the Mughal Empire (1526–1858). Modern Urdu is mutually intelligible with the younger register of Hindustani, which is often simply called "Hindi".

The original language of the Mughals was Chagatai, a Turkic language, but after their arrival in South Asia, they came to adopt Persian. Gradually, the need to communicate with local inhabitants led to a composition of Sanskrit-derived languages, written in the Perso-Arabic script and with literary conventions and specialised vocabulary being retained from Persian, Arabic and Turkic; the new standard was eventually given its own name of Urdu. Urdu is often contrasted with Hindi. The main differences between the two are that Standard Urdu is conventionally written in Nastaliq calligraphy style of the Perso-Arabic script and relies heavily on Persian and Arabic as a source for technical and literary language, whereas Standard Hindi is conventionally written in Devanāgarī and draws on Sanskrit. However, both have large numbers of Persian, Arabic, and Sanskrit words, and most linguists consider them to be two standardized forms of the same language, and consider the differences to be sociolinguistic, though a few classify them separately

Source: wikepdeia

you can not ignore sanskrit influence on urdu...even though it is not as big as persian and arabic but it still exists..

 

[ThunderCat]

there are many words that have sanskrit origins like your country's name..
it has stan..which originated from sanskrit sthan which means place..

here are more words
Urdu/punjabi words from Sanskrit

Sorry but Sanskrit is not the language of the Indians. Sanskrit originated in the Russian steppes and has a close affinity with Balto-Slavic languages. Pakistanis are partially derived from Proto-Indo-Europeans as per Y-chromosome findings. Most Pakistanis belong to the Indo-Aryan sub race while the western Pakistani populations are of Iranic stock. Most Indians and Bangladeshis are Indo-Aryan by language only and have lost their indigenous languages to Sanskrit-derived language.

 

[ThunderCat]

What a joke. Urdu is more or less the original Hindustani language as opposed to Hindi which artificially replaced Arabic and Persian loanwords with Sanskrit and Indians seem to be hellbent on proving the opposite. grammatically Hindustani and other Indo-Aryan languages are based on Sanskrit but they contained Arabic vocabulary since they split form Sanskrit. If you want to united Hindi with Urdu/Hindustani i suggest you stop this artificial Sanskritization vocabulary.

 

[ThunderCat]

From a monolingual far from the subcontinent, there are similar problems with other languages. Of course, (spoken) living language is incomprehensible when tyranscribed from any language. Written language requires more preciision, and expansion to include information that in person is conveyed non-verbally, or by tone, pitch, or modulation.
Yiddish and German are about as mutually comprehensible when spoken as Urdu and Hindi, but one is written in Gothic, the other in Hebrew. Likewise, the Croatian, Bosnian and Serbian dialects of South Slavic are virtually indistinguishable, except that they are written in the roman, arabic, and cyrillac alphabets.
Judging from the record, it seems to be a bad idea for social relations to create artificial divisions among language users on the basis of the artificial distinctions of literacy.
By the way, as a speaker of Mid-American, I find sub-titles very helpful when listening to Brits. The problem in writing is that many words have subtle, or even gross, differences, in meaning.

Get your facts straight dude. Bosnian is a separate language from Serbo-Croatian. I can't believe we're even debating this...

 

[asad71]

Sorry but Sanskrit is not the language of the Indians. Sanskrit originated in the Russian steppes and has a close affinity with Balto-Slavic languages. Pakistanis are partially derived from Proto-Indo-Europeans as per Y-chromosome findings. Most Pakistanis belong to the Indo-Aryan sub race while the western Pakistani populations are of Iranic stock. Most Indians and Bangladeshis are Indo-Aryan by language only and have lost their indigenous languages to Sanskrit-derived language.

1. Bengali language was originally influenced most by Pali and Prakrit. Sanskrit came later. But the present day Bengali language is influenced much by Arabic and, more so, by Persian influence. Turkic, English, Dutch and Portuguese influences are there.

2. Pali is the central language of Buddhism. Their original religious texts were engraved in this. The earliest Buddhist scriptures are collected in the Pāḷi Canon or Tipitaka. Pali is considered the liturgical language of Theravada Buddhism. Asoka's inscriptions are in Prakrit.

3. Vedic Sanskrit used to be the exclusive language of the Brahmans and was off-limit to the other casts till the British opened up Sanskrit - both Vedic and Classical. The Ganges-Brahmaputra Delta had always struggled to keep the Brahmonic influence at distance.

4. Till late into the British rule (up to 1837), Persian was the official/court language of Bengal. Considering Arakan in this land mass, it has to be stated that Arabic and Persian are still spoken by the older generation.

5. Beginning with court poet of Arakan, Aloal right up to BD's national poet Kazi Nazrul Islam, we see emergence of a Benglai language with influence of Islamic history and tradition. Interestingly both Aloal and Nazrul had been soldiers. Today the Bengali language of BD looks to be moving away slowly but surely from what has been dubbed as Kolkata Bengali.

 

[asad71]

Sorry but Sanskrit is not the language of the Indians. Sanskrit originated in the Russian steppes and has a close affinity with Balto-Slavic languages. Pakistanis are partially derived from Proto-Indo-Europeans as per Y-chromosome findings. Most Pakistanis belong to the Indo-Aryan sub race while the western Pakistani populations are of Iranic stock. Most Indians and Bangladeshis are Indo-Aryan by language only and have lost their indigenous languages to Sanskrit-derived language.

1. Bengali language was originally influenced most by Pali and Prakrit. Sanskrit came later. But the present day Bengali language is influenced much by Arabic and, more so, by Persian influence. Turkic, English, Dutch and Portuguese influences are there.

2. Pali is the central language of Buddhism. Their original religious texts were engraved in this. The earliest Buddhist scriptures are collected in the Pāḷi Canon or Tipitaka. Pali is considered the liturgical language of Theravada Buddhism. Asoka's inscriptions are in Prakrit.

3. Vedic Sanskrit used to be the exclusive language of the Brahmans and was off-limit to the other casts till the British opened up Sanskrit - both Vedic and Classical. The Ganges-Brahmaputra Delta had always struggled to keep the Brahmonic influence at distance.

4. Till late into the British rule (up to 1837), Persian was the official/court language of Bengal. Considering Arakan in this land mass, it has to be stated that Arabic and Persian are still spoken by the older generation.

5. Beginning with court poet of Arakan, Aloal right up to BD's national poet Kazi Nazrul Islam, we see emergence of a Benglai language with influence of Islamic history and tradition. Interestingly both Aloal and Nazrul had been soldiers. Today the Bengali language of BD looks to be moving away slowly but surely from what has been dubbed as Kolkata Bengali.

 

[Subramanian]

Sorry but Sanskrit is not the language of the Indians. Sanskrit originated in the Russian steppes and has a close affinity with Balto-Slavic languages. Pakistanis are partially derived from Proto-Indo-Europeans as per Y-chromosome findings. Most Pakistanis belong to the Indo-Aryan sub race while the western Pakistani populations are of Iranic stock. Most Indians and Bangladeshis are Indo-Aryan by language only and have lost their indigenous languages to Sanskrit-derived language.

Race and DNA is of no value if you dont respect your ancestor's culture.

Sanskrit is the language of South Indian Brahmins because we are the ones who still learn it and we are the ones who look north west and pray for our ancestor's souls in their native langue at the cost of being alienated by our neighbours.

 

[Subramanian]

What a joke. Urdu is more or less the original Hindustani language as opposed to Hindi which artificially replaced Arabic and Persian loanwords with Sanskrit and Indians seem to be hellbent on proving the opposite. grammatically Hindustani and other Indo-Aryan languages are based on Sanskrit but they contained Arabic vocabulary since they split form Sanskrit. If you want to united Hindi with Urdu/Hindustani i suggest you stop this artificial Sanskritization vocabulary.

Persian/Fasri,Arabic,Turk are all alien languages of the Indian Subcontinent but our large hearts(Is Afridi listening?) has let us feel it as our own and Urud is the same.

 

[Subramanian]

The famous film Devdas was done with Dilip Kumar in the first version in chaste Urdu. In the latest version with Shahrukh Khan it is in Hindi. See both movies to see the difference in the languages.

See the latest Dev D in punjabi.Thats even better.You are debating a bengali literatured story made in Hindi/Urdu.what a waste of time?

 

[SQ8]

I consider Hindi a mix of sanskrit and Urdu.. there.. Urdu itself a mixture..
So languages can unite, but at the same time.. they also tend to destroy the culture of the other.
I prefer Urdu as it is.
Which is why much to the chagrin of my peers.. I do not use Peer, Budh or Mangal.. since there are nothing more than Peervar, Mangalvar and the like.

The proper usage in my view is Shambe for saturday, Do-Shamba for monday and so on.
Its the tiny things that differentiate you.. When you see kids in Pakistan use Sapna for Khwab.. you know the Indian's gave already won on the cultural front. SAD.