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Lal Masjid- Shifting Truth from Lies-Pervez Musharraf

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Lol! all those girls n boys killed were from Balakot n Muzaffarabad whose parent died in earthquake and left with no relatives! Here in Hazara we hear that all those belong to tribal areas(malakand) and Swat.

i think they actually came from the Lal masjid:

FYI: I watch all the ugly episode on TV mostly live.
 
LOL. If anything he held the country together. My friend there was no "hype" economy, during his time Warid, Telenor, Zong all signed contracts to enter Pakistan.

During his time was the only time the American Centre was able to be visited by Pakistanis in Islamabad, he had courage and honour ( unlike our present leadership)

They lambasted him as a dictator and oppressor of peoples freedoms and a tyrant who tried to silence the press, on the contrary unlike Ghadda and Co... He had some vary nasty articles published about him on a daily basis including "hum subh umeed sey hain" on Geo.

I remember Geo bashing him 24/7... What does Zardari do after Geo air an image of him getting smacked by a shoe? That's right, he blocks them.

During Mush's rule people would send cheeky sms about him, he never retaliated. What did our "Democratically" elected representative do? Task FIA and PTA with tracing all messages sent via cell networks (So much for your freedom)...

Mush was not a saint but he was much better than what we have here at the moment. Remember 2005 earthquake? As soon as the incident happened he rushed to Margalla towers and as his SSG guards moved rescuers out of the way he scolded them and said these boys are hero's let me meet them.

What did Zardari do, when the nation needed him? He was touring Europe.

Can you please enumerate the "Manufacturing" Industries that were established durig General Musharraf's Reign?

Thanks in Advance
 
Those people in lal masjid were uneducated, brain washed and wana be terrorists with no civic sense or respect to the state. These are the exact people that made Afghanistan what it is today.

We do not want Pakistan to become another Afghanistan. Respect the writ of the government. If you don't like something around you then protest or run for elections and if people are with you, you shall win and change things.

Again shame on mulla brothers who used all these innocent children to save their illegal property from being taken away and shame on the masses who are just too retarded to see what is the truth.

Those mullah brothers were no heroes neither the people killed are shaheed. Just cowards with their face covered who abducted citizens, killed a ranger, encroached a children library and threaten suicide bombings all over the state.

The phosphorus drama is all made up. No innocent died their because the innocents were allowed to leave the site for more than 7 days.

P.S. I want to ask. Did the children of the parents there knew that these mullah brothers will stage such a thing and put their children lives in danger. 99% of the parents today curse these mullah brothers for what they did.
 
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Lal masjid was the key to decision making the state of Pakistan , refuse to give into fundo mullahs demand despite those mullahs tried all the dirty tricks against
 
Dedicated to all who have difficulty in comprehending me.

This is not mine but copyright Xeric:

Pathan ko raste me 1 charagh mila.
Utha k saf kia to 1 Jin nikla or kaha k wo uski 3 khuwahish puri karega.

Pathan: Humko esa Naswar do jo khatam na ho.

Achanak 1 naswar ka packet aageya.
Pathan ne thori si naswar nikali to utni naswar or aagai.

Jin: Baqi 2 khuwahish?
Pathan: esa 2 Packet or de do!

http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/21650-sms-thread-45.html#post1077808
 
Dedicated to all who have difficulty in comprehending me.

This is not mine but copyright Xeric:

Pathan ko raste me 1 charagh mila.
Utha k saf kia to 1 Jin nikla or kaha k wo uski 3 khuwahish puri karega.

Pathan: Humko esa Naswar do jo khatam na ho.

Achanak 1 naswar ka packet aageya.
Pathan ne thori si naswar nikali to utni naswar or aagai.


Jin: Baqi 2 khuwahish?
Pathan: esa 2 Packet or de do!

http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/21650-sms-thread-45.html#post1077808



Be a man dont act like a kid now !!

But still if u want i will say to you keh

I wish woh Pathan main hota tu main kuch aur mang laita....tu ajj shayed tu b pathan keh naam se darte lol .. :rofl:

i hope u understand what i mean :azn:
 
Hey All who were inside Lal Masjid wanted shahadat and they Got it, why the fuss now.
Yep! there were girls, women childern killed in the fight, but why they refused to to come out (or who stopped them from coming out), they knew what was coming and they got what the wanted.
If there were hundreds of childern killed where are their parents brothers or even Relatives? they never showed up on any place even in Jihadist newspapers?
And one more question why there were soficticated weapons in Mosque.


Remember wht Suadia Arabia did in Kaaba Sharef in 80s when Iranian held people hostage there, even PaK army special service groups took part in the bloodiest operation in Kaaba Sharif history.

I request all my brothers to see facts not fictions what JI and her accomplice says in media.

For the record please note that there were no Iranians involved in the siege of Kaaba which began on Nov 20, 1979. Leaders were two men; Otaibi and Al Qahtani, both were Saudis from Najd. Al Qahtani declared himself to be Al Mahdi. Most of their followers were from Muslim brotherhood belonging to Islamic University of Medina. This time Pak forces were involved in removing the miscreants from the holy shrines.

In July 1987, Iranian pilgrims rioted during Hajj chanting slogans against US, Israel and enemies of Islam. Saudi forces opened fire killing more than 400 pilgrims, mostly Iranians. There was no takeover of Kaaba or of Masjid al Haraam.
 
For the record please note that there were no Iranians involved in the siege of Kaaba which began on Nov 20, 1979. Leaders were two men; Otaibi and Al Qahtani, both were Saudis from Najd. Al Qahtani declared himself to be Al Mahdi. Most of their followers were from Muslim brotherhood belonging to Islamic University of Medina. This time Pak forces were involved in removing the miscreants from the holy shrines.

In July 1987, Iranian pilgrims rioted during Hajj chanting slogans against US, Israel and enemies of Islam. Saudi forces opened fire killing more than 400 pilgrims, mostly Iranians. There was no takeover of Kaaba or of Masjid al Haraam.
Btw niaz, isn't the killing and all forms of violence forbidden inside the sacred precincts of the Ka'aba also called Haraam Sharif which extends quite some distance - And are you aware of any killings by the Pak forces involved in the flushing out action?
 
Why are people so crazy about the outcome of Lal Masjid operation,
the whole nation was demanding action against them, now why is everyone saying that the action was wrong,
has everyone gone nuts ?? or do people need a topic to talk and pass time..
hell with the topic.
 
We are talking of solution to the problem of terrorism. Every Pakistani, including people who condemn Lal-Masjid operation wanted terrorists to be punished and law of the country to be the authority, no differences on that. But has the operation achieved these goals? I am not looking at individual strands of this event and who did what and what not. what I see is that operation remained counterproductive, it didn't produce the results Musharaf originally intended.


Graphician:

You can make the same argument fo rthe entire effort against religious extremism in Pakistan, isn't that the case? After all, all these operations and we will have religious extremism and terrorism -- The problem, I think we can argue very persuasively indeed, is that Musharraf did not do enough, did not systematically break the back of religious extremism, by attacking every single facet or manifestation of the problem.


Do we question why is Musharaf still trying to explain and defend he was right then? Why he had to? Do you not see his action was widely unaccepted in the country? It is for the one simple reason that the same extremism which he was trying to quinch, flourished 100s of times more. Is that a success or failure?

Again, after all the army operation since the end of the Musharraf regime, has terrorism diminished? Really. think you are not looking at the entirety of the situation? Have we attacked the financing of religious extremism? Have we been serious about banning religous hate speech? Have we attacked the entire propaganda setup? Have we punished politicians of the religiousw parties who not only do not condemn but suuport the religious extremists??

This incident is not the only incident that is on the table for us to decide. Every single initiative he took went against the interest of Pakistan. Kashir? Afghanistan? Enlightend Moderation? NRO? Chief-Justice? The Imported Prime Minister? Debt driven economy? BB's assassination? There should be few things upon which we could say okay these were better in his time. If you like to compare his time with This government then you are comparing bad with worse.. but is only a bad our faith or alternatively a worse? Do we not think of anything that is slightly better than Musharaf?

First of all Musharraf's twitter piece is designed to offer a counter to the propaganda of the religious extremists and those politicians who opposed his regime, Musharraf regime and any other regime in Pakistan would be not only justified but duty bound to respond as the Musharraf regime responded - Musharraf was spot on with regard to Kashmir, in fact we were weeks away from a solution, Mr.Kasuri himself has confirmed this.

With regard to Afghanistan, Mr. Musharraf was again, spot on, Events in Afghanistan are of a "vital interest" to Pakistan, with regard to the economy, Mr. Musharraf's regime saw the halving of poverty rates - I think you are less than objective when discussing the Musharraf regime, and it really is because you find the argument of the religious parties to be more persuasive than any other.

There is a criticism that Musharraf must be open to, and that is that his regime did not do enough, was not systematic enough, was not decisive enough to clean out the nest of vipers that is religious extremism and the Sardari system in Balouchistan and that he did not abolish the FATA which continues to deprive millions of Pakistanis of their basic rights.
 
What reason otherwise would suggest you do that?

Well to be honest, i feel he is the only one i can trust as far as i can throw a 10 ton truck... :P, there is another but sadly he is not yet mature enough to enter mainstream politics and will always play the bridesmaid and never the bride. ;)
 
if u lived in pak in recent times, u must have ntcopy pasted if u read arguements on daily bases

Well one this is for sure, i lived in Pak pretty recently. Secondly i actually go back every December so it's not like im cut off. I visit forums like PDF and others, and subscribe to PSS and SAN Pakistan... So i would like to consider myself holding a broad-brush knowledge over the subject.

Mush was good for Pakistan, if you don't believe me compare the Pakistan security report for 2008 to the developments in 2009-2010:

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Can you please enumerate the "Manufacturing" Industries that were established durig General Musharraf's Reign?

Thanks in Advance

Well during his era:
1. Industrial sector registered 26% growth.
2. CNG sector has attracted over $70 billion investment in last 5 years.
3. Construction activity was at a 17 year high.
4. Large scale manufacturing was at a 30 year high.

Further reading:
Pakistan Times | Top Stories: IMF, WB praise Pakistan's economic and fiscal performance
 
Btw niaz, isn't the killing and all forms of violence forbidden inside the sacred precincts of the Ka'aba also called Haraam Sharif which extends quite some distance - And are you aware of any killings by the Pak forces involved in the flushing out action?

Don&#8217;t know for certain if PA troops actually took part in the assault. But there was one PA Brigade stationed in Saudi Arabia at that time.

To the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as &#8220;total ban&#8221; on violence at the holy places if it is considered necessary. This is more a Pakistani interpretation.

Historically Hajjaj bin Yusuf commanding an Umayyad Army attacked Kaaba in 683 AD. Hazrat Abdullah ibne Zubair (RA) grandson of Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA) and son of the great sehabi Hazrat Zubair (RA) and his followers were killed. Body of Abdullah ibne Zubair (RA) was hung from the gates of Kaaba until it rotted. This was when many Sehaba were still alive.

Kaaba has been destroyed again in 930 AD. There were rumours that Arabian forces helped by Col. Lawrence attacked Mecca and Kaaba when fighting against the Turks during WW1.
 

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