Lahore's redemption: Lahore dictrict administration refuse permission for Aurat March.

[Dalit]

Muslims in the west have been battling to keep our faith and culture strong

But it's a difficult battle

And marriage has been effected, the more the pernicious feminist ideology spreads the more basis concepts of marriage get effected

More and more rather then marry early people are delaying marriage until they complete studies and get through years of employment, this just gives time for both men and women to fall into sin and relationships outside of marriage, giving them a mixture of history and trauma that makes pair bonding once married difficult



Men have a get out clause, a man however educated or successful will happily marry from "back home" to a pretty girl as long as she is good looking and of good character and will make a good wife

Western girls don't want to marry back home, so they get through studies, then want to wait to get to work and make money and then they and their families look around for suitable men who dont necessarily want to marry miserable women in their 30s who don't know how to be a wife

And already the loss of cultural values has led to a epidemic of single women growing old alone

We need to address this and make a stand

And state unequivocally that Islam has values, standards that we must preserve at all costs

We must remember Islam is a system that addresses the imperfections of mankind, it doesn't see mankind as a perfect being but a imperfect illogical creation that needs rules to address our short comings



This is why unlike worthless bull crap like hinduism or religions like Christianity who are bending everything and every rule to placate the gays, feminists and everyone else ISLAM MUST STAND AT ALL COSTS AND NEVER TOLERATE ANY RULE RO BE BROKEN AND BENT

Humanity must bend to fit into God's will not the other way around

I know plenty of couples who even marry during study period. They raise kids and fulfil their daily obligations. It is possible. I work at a uni and I get to meet many people from all nooks and corners of the world.

 

[villageidiot]

They are all crazy.


You can't change your sex. It's in your chromosomes. If you want to wear a dress then fine. But that's your choice. You are not a victim. You are a man who needs mental health support,

It not though. Crossdressing and behaving like the opposite sex is a MAJOR sin. Beyond debate.

Very low chance but still a good beginning

Aurat march organizers have said the march will go on, anyway. Who would have guessed?
They have also gone to LHC, chances are they will win.

Maryam k abbu changes karwa dain gai yeh decision

Why not? Nothing wrong with currying some favors with aurat march's real sponsors.

 

[Areesh]

Aurat march organizers have said the march will go on, anyway. Who would have guessed?
They have also gone to LHC, chances are they will win.


Why not? Nothing wrong with currying some favors with aurat march's real sponsors.

Aurat march would happen. Court would allow it

Pakistanis are not at that level where they would stop these foreign sponsored agenda driven marches by themselves

But still good to see some opposition

 

[villageidiot]

sir west is light years ahead of us . here is matter of survival for our trans genders .

Sir, they should get all of those things you mentioned. Except their ID cards shouldn't say man or women because those are biological traits. It's should say "Third gender" or something and laws should be made so that they are provided equal opportunities and are not discriminated against. But, they are not cisgender (i.e. niether men nor women)

 

[Imran Khan]

Sir, they should get all of those things you mentioned. Except their ID cards shouldn't say man or women because those are biological traits. It's should say "Third gender" or something and laws should be made so that they are provided equal opportunities and are not discriminated against. But, they are not cisgender (i.e. niether men nor women)

ok i agree with you buy in india trans genders are getting marred and having babies too .

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[villageidiot]

Let them hold a peaceful protest if they want. Should be fine just as long its not disrupting traffic and causing a commotion, is not a public nuisance etc.

Exactly what counts as a public nuisance? Most people is Pakistan are against this stupid march. And with the Jamaat-e-Islami coming up with their own stupid "Haya" march (rather than having done anything meaningful legislation for women's rights), their is heightened chances of clashes (that almost happened with fazlu's followers in 2019). Shouldn't it be considered a public nuisance, then?

Now if you stop Jamaat-e-Islami for their march, you have a shitstorm on your hands, that I don't need to tell you about.

The blame for this current situation lies with everyone, not just the rent-a-liberals. Had the mullahs who swoon while telling the tales of "Mother's stature" and "Womens' rights" in Islam actually bothered to implement that part of Islam, other than keeping beards and wearing topis, Pakistani women would be much better off today

 

[kingQamaR]

The world over. Feminists of this day and age are a big problem. In the West feminism is out of control. It is such a huge problem that ordinary people are struggling to understand feminist agenda. The feminist agenda is skewed. When feminists say that they are at war with men they actually mean that. Western feminists have developed an ideology where individualistic needs overrule family values. Western men are forced to search for a partner outside of their respective countries.



Agreed. Transsexuals should have rights. These people are often abused by the society the world over. That is absolutely wrong. However, we don't need dictation from outsiders on how to achieve justice for these people. This is a responsibility of the government and concerned authorities to deliver justice. Our religion also teaches us to be tolerant to various segments of society.

Soon these feminists will be dislodged by trans people The white Anglo female deserves this ...they can have each other till we all know who will take over The worst thing is the effect on some reared under the indoctrination of feminism! No surprise how society has degraded.

 

[villageidiot]

ok i agree with you but in india trans genders are getting marred and having babies too .

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Sir, ye to ap ne funny baat kr di.

India also allows gay sex.

And since when is India a standard. Their society is poles apart for ours.
You could argue that we should follow the economic or military examples of other nations but for social changes, it must be naturally evolved, not copy paste foreign culture.

P.S. Sorry about the offhand comment about inviting that transgender, in a previous post. I hadn't read your other post then and thought you were having fun.

 

[Imran Khan]

Sir, ye to ap ne funny baat kr di.

India also allows gay sex.

And since when is India a standard. Their society is poles apart for ours.
You could argue that we should follow the economic or military examples of other nations but for social changes, it must be naturally evolved, not copy paste foreign culture.

P.S. Sorry about the offhand comment about inviting that transgender, in a previous post. I hadn't read your other post then and thought you were having fun.

mera maqsad india ko example batana nhi mera point hai wo log wahan family bana sakty bachy paida ker sakty hai ye ho sakta hai .

 

[-=virus=-]

Exactly what counts as a public nuisance.

Public nuisance would be our "farmer" protests like... BC ambulances ko jageh ni di saalon ne, or, then had great trouble navigating thru, our emergency services.. shameful

Most people is Pakistan are against this stupid march.

idhar bhi mostly conservative bent ke log hain, the lot of them, Hindus, Musalmans, or any other..

Now if you stop Jamaat-e-Islami for their march, you have a shitstorm on your hands, that I don't need to tell you about.

The blame for this current situation lies with everyone, not just the rent-a-liberals. Had the mullahs who swoon while telling the tales of "Mother's stature" and "Womens' rights" in Islam actually bothered to implement that part of Islam, other than keeping beards and wearing topis, Pakistani women would be much better off today

I'm still sort of the opinion..

ki because hum Indian hain

tremendous diversity

we a little more open-minded about stuff, just a wee bit compared to you lot..

basically.. ki women's empowerment etc ki deeper penetration and awareness hai yaha

 

[villageidiot]

Public nuisance would be our "farmer" protests like... BC ambulances ko jageh ni di saalon ne, or, then had great trouble navigating thru, our emergency services.. shameful


idhar bhi mostly conservative bent ke log hain, the lot of them, Hindus, Musalmans, or any other..


I'm still sort of the opinion..

ki because hum Indian hain

tremendous diversity

we a little more open-minded about stuff, just a wee bit compared to you lot..

basically.. ki women's empowerment etc ki deeper penetration and awareness hai yaha

The jahil people in Pakistan have no concept of women's empowerment. To them, it's all bad. The educated one like here of PDF are all for that but have a different idea of it. Job opportunities, safety against harrassment etc, Sure. But, LGBTQ shit and other western concepts are not a part of women's empowerment. That's all we are saying

mera maqsad india ko example batana nhi mera point hai wo log wahan family bana sakty bachy paida ker sakty hai ye ho sakta hai .

Sir, is se aagey, baat religion pe aa jati he. Even crossdressing and behaving like opposite sex in a MAJOR sin in Islam. Let alone changing gender entirely and marrying and having babies.

That is crystal clear and not up for debate. One can simply choose to follow or not. But, there is no debate to be had.

 

[Imran Khan]

The jahil people in Pakistan have no concept of women's empowerment. To them, it's all bad. The educated one like here of PDF are all for that but have a different idea of it. Job opportunities, safety against harrassment etc, Sure. But, LGBTQ shit and other western concepts are not a part of women's empowerment. That's all we are saying


Sir, is se aagey, baat religion pe aa jati he. Even crossdressing and behaving like opposite sex in a MAJOR sin in Islam. Let alone changing gender entirely and marrying and having babies.

That is crystal clear and not up for debate. One can simply choose to follow or not. But, there is no debate to be had.

i cant talk on religion sir i am sinful man not some islamic cleric .

 

[villageidiot]

i cant talk on religion sir i am sinful man not some islamic cleric .

Same here, sir. But being a cleric is not the only requirement. A genuine intention is also required, which you showed with your empathy for the oppressed intersex people.

As far as I am concerned, clerics like ours are part of the problem, or rather the main culprits. If they had actually focused on women's issues as guided by islam, rather than merely being content with signing praises of mothers in bayan and khutbas, we wouldn't have this problem today.
I don't see any hope for them to reform. Only the educated and articulate citizens can, like in this thread can hold the front against degeneracy.

 

[Areesh]

This is a long debate going on in here

So I am just going to ask respective parties to give me a summary

@-=virus=- apparently you are in support of gandus? Is this true?

@villageidiot what is your position in this debate?

 

[Mirzali Khan]

I don't think even feminists predicted the down stream consequences of some of the things that they were pushing

A lot of it blew up in their own faces after they started supporting biologically male trans woman.

Now stuff like women's sports which is something a lot of feminists for the past 100 or so years worked hard for is all getting thrown away because a biologically male trans women can just simply play in a basketball tournament or a swimming competition and rack up stats like Giannis or Michael Phelps.

The pro-trans feminists are now going as far to say don't even say woman say "womxn" to include trans and nonbinaries.