Lahore Blasts

[Spring Onion]

This reaction that I see from a number of posters that these people are not Muslims or humans is very odd because they are both of those things.

Firstly you should accept that these people are Muslims and humans, only then you can tackle this problem. By continuously repeating this, you just brush off the core issue on why this occurs.

The twisted ideology and mindset is the problem. This problem can only be solved with a change of thinking that will take time to sift in over the years.

Who said that ??

First of all you should kick those hard who are presenting it as minority issue. IT IS NOT.

The simple outcome is that Terrorists have hit the Pakistanis as they are doing in other parts of Pakistan.

This and such cases should not be taken something isolated. This is part of terrorism and we all know there is NO difference between TTP, LeJ, SSP, and so on.

Stop presenting such attacks as if its the first time terrorists have targeted Pakistanis.

 

[Tayyab1796]

This reaction that I see from a number of posters that these people are not Muslims or humans is very odd because they are both of those things.

Firstly you should accept that these people are Muslims and humans, only then you can tackle this problem. By continuously repeating this, you just brush off the core issue on why this occurs.

The twisted ideology and mindset is the problem. This problem can only be solved with a change of thinking that will take time to sift in over the years.

I hope i m wrong but i don't see this problem ending in this century now ... we will bear this curse now . Their is an economic dimension to it as well (pay someone a few hundred thousand rupees and blo the hell out of a crowd) . As law enforcement agencies are learning so are the terrorists now they are following Iraq style - where a bomb blast is followed by another one in close proximity to the earlier one to maximise casualities .

 

[T-Faz]

Who said that ??

First of all you should kick those hard who are presenting it as minority issue. IT IS NOT.

The simple outcome is that Terrorists have hit the Pakistanis as they are doing in other parts of Pakistan.

This and such cases should not be taken something isolated. This is part of terrorism and we all know there is NO difference between TTP, LeJ, SSP, and so on.

Stop presenting such attacks as if its the first time terrorists have targeted Pakistanis.

Illogical post, what exactly are you replying to. A lot of people clearly said that these people are not Muslims or humans.

I suspended the member who used the word minority but you would not notice that. Also where have I denied in my post that terrorists have not hit Pakistan or there is a difference between the various groups you mentioned.

It might not be the first attack but that does not mean that it should be brushed with nonsense remarks like 'they are not muslims' or 'they are not humans'.

All of this will be forgotten in a weeks time and when it happens again later, the same posts will be repeated. It is better to look at a case as an individual incident to improve security arrangements, amend intelligence work and give early warnings of attacks.

Such attacks continue because our nation has not addressed the core issue.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Death toll is increasing, right now 48.
Ah, again its not new for shia, even quran pointed finger on that kharji clan in early few verses " a small clan of people who will spread destruction.shar/terror on earth in the name of allah and kill muslims ". Unfortunately these munfiq/wahabis wearing the skin of Sunnis. Now slowly even Sunnis start isolating them, so they start targeting Sunnis too.
Only Munfiq can do this. What unfortunate Allah has selected them for forgiveness. And these people selected this month to kill the innocents.

And Please, don't call us minority. Its our Pakistan and we are part of it.Please don't write any line which shows the division among Muslims.

and a question springs to my mind
for a "religious" Pakistani what is a difference between a good taliban and a bad taliban and a smart taliban

a good taliban is one who specialises in killing shia's as a part of his faith (Sipha Sahaba, lusker Jhangvi, TTP)

a bad taliban is one who kills indiscriminately and can include Sunnis too

a smart Taliban is one who (after seeing the public outcry) blames it on CIA, Blackwater and RAW.

 

[Moin91]

This reaction that I see from a number of posters that these people are not Muslims or humans is very odd because they are both of those things.

Firstly you should accept that these people are Muslims and humans, only then you can tackle this problem. By continuously repeating this, you just brush off the core issue on why this occurs.

The twisted ideology and mindset is the problem. This problem can only be solved with a change of thinking that will take time to sift in over the years.

Sorry Sir, atleast they are humans but not Muslims for me / they are so-called Muslims...

 

[T-Faz]

Sorry Sir, atleast they are humans but not Muslims for me / they are so-called Muslims...

Sadly they say the same about others, they also deem others as not Muslims and go one step further by killing them for this reason alone.

 

[HAIDER]

and a question springs to my mind
for a "religious" Pakistani what is a difference between a good taliban and a bad taliban and a smart taliban

a good taliban is one who specialises in killing shia's as a part of his faith (Sipha Sahaba, lusker Jhangvi, TTP)

a bad taliban is one who kills indiscriminately and can include Sunnis too

a smart Taliban is one who (after seeing the public outcry) blames it on CIA, Blackwater and RAW.

There is only one type of Taliban, its Bastard Taliban from the yoke of Saudi petro money. Its a cancer, which causing the whole educated class to leave Pakistan. Turn the country in cave and camel parking lot.

 

[Spring Onion]

Illogical post, what exactly are you replying to. A lot of people clearly said that these people are not Muslims or humans.

What is illogical in my post? I clearly said its terrorism against Pakistanis by the terrorists, Simple and clear. Those who said the victims are not human then these posters need to check their brain.

I suspended the member who used the word minority but you would not notice that. Also where have I denied in my post that terrorists have not hit Pakistan or there is a difference between the various groups you mentioned.

fair enough

It might not be the first attack but that does not mean that it should be brushed with nonsense remarks like 'they are not muslims' or 'they are not humans'.

And where did i say that or how my post implies that slightly even. ? ALL I SAID you people treat it differently which should NOT Be. This is act of terrorism just like what happened in Karachi, Peshawar and more recently Wana.

I dont see any difference between all those suicide attacks and this one. all these groups are linked up.

All of this will be forgotten in a weeks time and when it happens again later, the same posts will be repeated. It is better to look at a case as an individual incident to improve security arrangements, amend intelligence work and give early warnings of attacks.

Such attacks continue because our nation has not addressed the core issue.

Just like all cases were forgotten. Its a national issue and not of the particular group. Again the bottom line we should take it irrespective of our political ideology simple and straight.

 

[Moin91]

Sadly they say the same about others, they also deem others as not Muslims and go one step further by killing them for this reason alone.

ok Sir here is the answer for you...

Most recently, Dr. Tahir ul-Qadri, a Pakistani Barelvi Muslim scholar, issued a 600-page global ruling against terrorism and suicide bombing, which provides a point-by-point theological rebuttal “of every argument used by Al-Qaeda inspired recruiters.” Although many scholars have released similar fatwas in the past, Dr. Qadri, the founder of Minhaj al-Quran International, “argued that his massive document goes much further by omitting ‘ifs and buts’ added by other thinkers,”

Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri goes that crucial step forward and announces categorically that suicide bombings and attacks against civilian targets are not only condemned by Islam, but render the perpetrators totally out of the fold of Islam, in other words, to be unbelievers.

The Dawn Blog Blog Archive A fatwa vs. suicide bombings

PS: I don't follow Tahir-ul-Qadri, just Quoted his fatwa.

 

[TechLahore]

Thanks to the foreign forces in Afghanistan, who have created, trained and financed these TTP menace out of kidnapped Afghani children.

They are protected in Afghanistan and black sheeps in our society are giving them cover.

What bullsh1t. There were no sectarian attacks in Pakistan before the US invasion of Afghanistan?

 

[TechLahore]

Sorry Sir, atleast they are humans but not Muslims for me / they are so-called Muslims...

Can you please clarify you who are calling non-muslims? The Taliban scoundrels or shia victims?

 

[Moin91]

Can you please clarify you who are calling non-muslims? The Taliban scoundrels or shia victims?

Sir jee of-course Talibans... where did I said that Shiaas are non-muslim??
my condolences are with my Pakistanis brothers...

 

[TechLahore]

There is only one type of Taliban, its Bastard Taliban from the yoke of Saudi petro money. Its a cancer, which causing the whole educated class to leave Pakistan. Turn the country in cave and camel parking lot.

We have to decide what we want to be. Whether we want to be a Wahabi-wannabe, extremist, slave to the petro-dictatorship nation, or whether we want to be an independent, progressive and self-sufficient country that allows free thought and free exercise of religious freedom.

The Saudis and other wahabi terror funders (some based in Kuwait, UAE etc.) who provide money to the SSP, LeJ and similar scum are every bit as involved and in fact more to blame for these incidents of cold blooded slaughter as the son of a @#$@# who blows himself up.

One cannot possibly fathom just how damaging Zia and his legacy, his Deobandi/Wahhabi enablement, his slavery to the house of Saud and his destruction of Pakistan's very societal and religious fiber have been for this country. May Allah throw him to the hounds of hell and lower him into the hottest pit. What a first class scoundrel and servant of lucifer that man was! There would be no SSP, no LeJ and none of this Punjabi Taliban business were it not for Zia (I shudder taking the f1lthy bast4rd's name)

 

[Patrician]

First of all, my heartfelt condolences to the bereaved. Their loss is irrepairable.

Nowdays it feels so sad. Everytime I switch on TV, internet or whatever, there's only negative news coming out of pakistan. So much negativity all around. Hats off to you guys for still putting up a brave face.

@ T-faz,

this is human history my friend.

rulers make wrong decisions and common man pays the price. Zia took wrong decisions and now the common pakistani is paying the price. Musharraf was working a little bit to improve the situation but other things threw him out.

The point for all my pakistani friends to think now should be "What to do now to come out of this mess?"

The answer is, there's no quick fix solution to all these problems. All stakeholders in pakistan must play a constructive role in rebuilding your country.

And I have one last word to say although it might rub some feather but someone must has to say the right thing.

Those who suggest quick fix solutions to these problems are merely befooling the common man and playing with his emotions as quite simply, no quick fix solution ever exists. The youth of pakistan need a leader with a vision and not an orator or a debater but I find many people on media debates who paint a rosy picture to them through their eloquent utterances and hence mislead them.

It's really a very tricky problem. Once again, accept my heartfelt condolences.

Regards

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sorry Sir, atleast they are humans but not Muslims for me / they are so-called Muslims...

I think the larger point being made is that this is just an extension of the argument extremists use to declare Shia's and other sects they disagree with as 'non-Muslims'.

The point being that none of us mortals have any business passing judgment on the faith of another individual, and we should not go down that path.

Are the perpetrators of these acts (and their overt and covert supporters) monsters and degenerate criminals?

Absolutely - but Allah is the only one to pass judgment on their faith, or lack thereof.