Khiljis are Pashtuns

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

no, my family is Ghilzai/Durrani

O.k i remembered, you did say that you are a ghilzai , in the presence of member @ghilzai. You were angry over his 'racist' (according to you) behaviour as he was refusing to acknowledge you a pakhtun but only a fellow pakistani. You got overwhelmed by emotions and you labeled him anti-islam or some thing like that.

 

[Butchcassidy]

I don't hate jaTTs, I love them, and my grand father calls them noble people. Under Abbasid rule in Bahawalpur, they worked the lands of my family in Rahim Yar Khan. In Jhang we have the super race of the Jatts called Sipra and in southern Punjab we have the oldest of the jatt clans [ and in Sindh ]

jatts come under shudras in the evil caste system. Below are the high castes of Hinduism, not including backwards and untouchables

1) Brahmans
2) Kashatriyas [ Rajputs / Khatris ]
3) Vaishyas
4) Shudras [ 10% in india according to government statistics ]

Sipra is a sub group of Gills

 

[ghoul]

The only true mughals in Punjab are the Kassars of Chakwal and the "mirza" of Jhelum. I know a Kassar, who has visible mongoloid features but, though, not at the same level as to that of Uzbeks. Famous columnist Ayaz Amir is a kassar. There might be true mughals in other areas too, but a lot of nais and julahas wrongly claim to be mughals.

The Tanoli of Hazara also claim to be Barlas mughals, but they are thought by some to be a sub-caste of Janjua rajputs, which they themselves deny. They get wrongly identified as Pakhtuns. Their indo-aryan features are quite visible usually. Their neighbours in Muzaffarabad, the Khakha rajputs, are also janjuas.

And Marwat Khan, get your facts right. Both Deobandis and Barelvis are hanafi, but Pakistani deobandis can't be considered true hanafis as their madrassahs have been getting funded by gulf countries, which slowly seek to transform deobandism into salfism. Nowadays, there's hardly any difference between deobandis and salafis. Some extreme barelvis do questionable activities, but they are better and more humanist than all the other sects in Pakistan. Abdullah Shah Ghazi shrine and Data darbar in Lahore offers free food 24/7 to all the people. Deobandis and Salafis on the other hand though.. Almost every rich deobandi owns a land cruiser suv. I have never seen a deobandi helping the poor and needy.

That is also what I have observed on Harappadna , Ghilzai pashtun genetic results are same as Durranis pashtuns of kandahar, where the hell is so-called "turkic" component of an established large "Khalaj" confederacy gone away. May be luffy is right that Ghalji/ghilji pashtuns might have been mistaken as turks due to their similar nomadic life style in the past around 8th century when they are first attested roaming around Ghazni (which is still their stronghold in afghanistan). I think genetics are more reliable than oral histories and conjectures.

They must have mixed with each other. Brahui(dravidians) and Baloch are genetically the same, yet speak totally different languages. Khans of Kalat are true brahuis.

 

[Multani]

The only true mughals in Punjab are the Kassars of Chakwal and the "mirza" of Jhelum. I know a Kassar, who has visible mongoloid features but, though, not at the same level as to that of Uzbeks. Famous columnist Ayaz Amir is a kassar. There might be true mughals in other areas too, but a lot of nais and julahas wrongly claim to be mughals.

The Tanoli of Hazara also claim to be Barlas mughals, but they are thought by some to be a sub-caste of Janjua rajputs, which they themselves deny. They get wrongly identified as Pakhtuns, yet their indo-aryan features are quite visible usually. Their neighbours in Muzaffarabad, the Khakha rajputs, are also janjuas.

And Marwat Khan, get your facts right. Both Deobandis and Barelvis are hanafi, but Pakistani deobandis can't be considered true hanafis as their madrassahs have been getting funded by gulf countries, which slowly seek to transform deobandism into salfism. Nowadays, there's hardly any difference between deobandis and salafis. Some extreme barelvis do questionable activities, but they are better and more humanist than all the other sects in Pakistan. Abdullah Shah Ghazi shrine and Data darbar in Lahore offers free food 24/7 to all the people. Deobandis and Salafis on the other hand though.. Almost every rich deobandi owns a land cruiser suv. I have never seen a deobandi helping the poor and needy.



They must have mixed with each other. Brahui(dravidians) and Baloch are genetically the same, yet speak totally different languages. Khans of Kalat are true brahuis.

No that is your opinion only brother. You don't have to look Mongoloid to be Punjabi Mughal.

The Mughals of Rawalpindi and Jammu (Chughtai) are the original settlements with link to Peshawar. And then in south Punjab.
Jhelum and chakwal are fall outs of these two.

And Punjab has Mughals from India [ Urdu speaking ] as well. And they are true Mughals of fathers who were Mughal soldiers and mothers who were indian hindu converts. It is not hard to recognize fakers.

 

[Multani]

Punjabi Mughals

Mr Naveed

 

[Multani]

Mr Uzair Chughtai

Mr Tahir Chughtai

Amber Chughtai

Usman Javed Chughtai

amina Chughtai

Faiqa Chughtai

Maryam Chughtai

 

[Multani]

Abdul Rahman Chughtai, Pakistani artist

Huma Beg

Dr Muhammad Beg

 

[ghoul]

No that is your opinion only brother. You don't have to look Mongoloid to be Punjabi Mughal.

The Mughals of Rawalpindi and Jammu (Chughtai) are the original settlements with link to Peshawar. And then in south Punjab.
Jhelum and chakwal are fall outs of these two.

And Punjab has Mughals from India [ Urdu speaking ] as well. And they are true Mughals of fathers who were Mughal soldiers and mothers who were indian hindu converts. It is not hard to recognize fakers.

How much of a mongoloid does he look? He's a kassar mughal. They are counted as "chaudrial" of Chakwal along with Mair Minhas and Kahuts, who all intermarry. Chakwal chaudris are notorious for a high number of murders and revenge killings. They were the breeders of the now extinct breed of horse called "dhani" horses. Dhani horses were popular with Mughals and Ranjit Singh, but they have now gotten extinct. The Chakwal chaudries were also notorious for the fact that they couldn't be controlled by the Gakhars during the mughal period. They would kill any tax collector sent by the Gakhars, and would simply disappear into the hilly wastes of Chakwal whenever the Gakhars would send an army to punish them. The first "Indian" general of british Indian army as well as the first victoria cross were all "chakwal chaudrials". Though, they weren't Mughal kassars. They both were Mair Minhas(dogras).

And Chugtais aren't mughals according to my knowledge(I might be wrong). They are Chingezhis, while mughals are Timurids. Mughals were Turks originally.

 

[Hyperion]

Both of you deserve each other...........

There is a lot of inferences here and interpretation and assumptions.
Turks could mean anything in the above context, as it can mean Mongol [ Mughal ] too in the case of Babur, who you called a Turk. What it shows is that being a Turk is synonymous with being a Mughal [Mongol]

Ghilzais are a mix-breed between Turks and local people.

 

[Charon 2]

How much of a mongoloid does he look? He's a kassar mughal. They are counted as "chaudrial" of Chakwal along with Mair Minhas and Kahuts, who all intermarry. Chakwal chaudris are notorious for a high number of murders and revenge killings. They were the breeders of the now extinct breed of horse called "dhani" horses. Dhani horses were popular with Mughals and Ranjit Singh, but they have now gotten extinct. The Chakwal chaudries were also notorious for the fact that they couldn't be controlled by the Gakhars during the mughal period. They would kill any tax collector sent by the Gakhars, and would simply disappear into the hilly wastes of Chakwal whenever the Gakhars would send an army to punish them. The first "Indian" general of british Indian army as well as the first victoria cross were all "chakwal chaudrials". Though, they weren't Mughal kassars. They both were Mair Minhas(dogras).

And Chugtais aren't mughals according to my knowledge(I might be wrong). They are Chingezhis, while mughals are Timurids. Mughals were Turks originally.

The Barlas who found the Timurid and Mughal dynasties were originally a Mongol tribe that became Turkified.

The Barlas (Chagatay/Persian: برلاس‎ Barlās; also Berlas;Mongolian: Barlas) were a Turkified Mongol[1][2] nomadic confederation in Central Asia, later Persianized and were settled and assimilated in Greater Persia.[3][4] Its most famous representatives were the Timurids, a dynasty founded by the conqueror Timur (Tamerlane) in the 14th century, who ruled over modern-day Iran, Afghanistan, much of Central Asia, as well as parts of contemporary Pakistan, India, Mesopotamia, Anatolia and the Caucasus.

According to the Secret History of the Mongols, written during the reign of Ögedei Khan [r. 1229-1241], the Barlas shared ancestry with the Borjigin, the imperial clan of Genghis Khan and his successors, and other Mongol clans. The leading clan of the Barlas traced its origin to Qarchar Barlas,[1] head of one of Chagatai's regiments. Qarchar Barlas was a descendant of the legendary Mongol warlord Bodonchir (Bodon Achir; Bodon'ar Mungqaq), who was also considered a direct ancestor ofGenghis Khan.[5]

Due to extensive contacts with the native population of Central Asia, the tribe had adopted the religion of Islam,[2] and theChagatai language, a Turkic language of the Qarluq branch, which was heavily influenced by Arabic and Persian.[6]

The 14th century conqueror Timur, the eponymous founder of the Timurid dynasty, was born into a noble family of the Barlas clan.[7] One of his descendants, Zahir ud-Din Babur, later founded the Mughal Empire of Central Asia and South Asia. At the height of their power in the late 17th and early 18th centuries, they controlled much of the Indian subcontinent, extending from Bengal in the east to Kabul & Sindh in the west, Kashmir in the north to the Kaveri basin in the south.[11] Its population at that time has been estimated as between 110 and 150 million, over a territory of more than 3.2 million square kilometres (1.2 million square miles).

Barlas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[DESERT RAJA]

I don't hate jaTTs, I love them, and my grand father calls them noble people. Under Abbasid rule in Bahawalpur, they worked the lands of my family in Rahim Yar Khan. In Jhang we have the super race of the Jatts called Sipra and in southern Punjab we have the oldest of the jatt clans [ and in Sindh ]

jatts come under shudras in the evil caste system. Below are the high castes of Hinduism, not including backwards and untouchables

1) Brahmans
2) Kashatriyas [ Rajputs / Khatris ]
3) Vaishyas
4) Shudras [ 10% in india according to government statistics ]

Again you are chatting bullshit, no considers jats shudra in India. Please don't tell us about the caste system. Jats are outside the caste system but some people consider them Kshstriya.

They are simply outside caste system. Do you get it or not? Shudras mean "kammi" in punjabi, do you know who we call kami in punjab? Kumehar, mistry, lohar, tarkhan, nai, mochi etc While jats, gujjars are zamindars.

This Multani retard has something wrong with him. He started telling a Nepalese member that Gurkhas are Buddhist Tibetans lol

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

The Barlas who found the Timurid and Mughal dynasties were originally a Mongol tribe that became Turkified.

The Barlas (Chagatay/Persian: برلاس‎ Barlās; also Berlas;Mongolian: Barlas) were a Turkified Mongol[1][2] nomadic confederation in Central Asia, later Persianized and were settled and assimilated in Greater Persia.[3][4] Its most famous representatives were the Timurids, a dynasty founded by the conqueror Timur (Tamerlane) in the 14th century, who ruled over modern-day Iran, Afghanistan, much of Central Asia, as well as parts of contemporary Pakistan, India, Mesopotamia, Anatolia and the Caucasus.

According to the Secret History of the Mongols, written during the reign of Ögedei Khan [r. 1229-1241], the Barlas shared ancestry with the Borjigin, the imperial clan of Genghis Khan and his successors, and other Mongol clans. The leading clan of the Barlas traced its origin to Qarchar Barlas,[1] head of one of Chagatai's regiments. Qarchar Barlas was a descendant of the legendary Mongol warlord Bodonchir (Bodon Achir; Bodon'ar Mungqaq), who was also considered a direct ancestor ofGenghis Khan.[5]

Due to extensive contacts with the native population of Central Asia, the tribe had adopted the religion of Islam,[2] and theChagatai language, a Turkic language of the Qarluq branch, which was heavily influenced by Arabic and Persian.[6]

The 14th century conqueror Timur, the eponymous founder of the Timurid dynasty, was born into a noble family of the Barlas clan.[7] One of his descendants, Zahir ud-Din Babur, later founded the Mughal Empire of Central Asia and South Asia. At the height of their power in the late 17th and early 18th centuries, they controlled much of the Indian subcontinent, extending from Bengal in the east to Kabul & Sindh in the west, Kashmir in the north to the Kaveri basin in the south.[11] Its population at that time has been estimated as between 110 and 150 million, over a territory of more than 3.2 million square kilometres (1.2 million square miles).

Barlas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By the time of Mughals , it must have been 300 years since Barlas Mongols would have settled among Turks of Central Asia. They must have mixed up with the Turks so much by then that their Barlas origins could hardly be recognisable.

 

[Shabaz Sharif]

The only true mughals in Punjab are the Kassars of Chakwal and the "mirza" of Jhelum. I know a Kassar, who has visible mongoloid features but, though, not at the same level as to that of Uzbeks. Famous columnist Ayaz Amir is a kassar. There might be true mughals in other areas too, but a lot of nais and julahas wrongly claim to be mughals.

The Tanoli of Hazara also claim to be Barlas mughals, but they are thought by some to be a sub-caste of Janjua rajputs, which they themselves deny. They get wrongly identified as Pakhtuns. Their indo-aryan features are quite visible usually. Their neighbours in Muzaffarabad, the Khakha rajputs, are also janjuas.

And Marwat Khan, get your facts right. Both Deobandis and Barelvis are hanafi, but Pakistani deobandis can't be considered true hanafis as their madrassahs have been getting funded by gulf countries, which slowly seek to transform deobandism into salfism. Nowadays, there's hardly any difference between deobandis and salafis. Some extreme barelvis do questionable activities, but they are better and more humanist than all the other sects in Pakistan. Abdullah Shah Ghazi shrine and Data darbar in Lahore offers free food 24/7 to all the people. Deobandis and Salafis on the other hand though.. Almost every rich deobandi owns a land cruiser suv. I have never seen a deobandi helping the poor and needy.



They must have mixed with each other. Brahui(dravidians) and Baloch are genetically the same, yet speak totally different languages. Khans of Kalat are true brahuis.

I found interesting article on Punjabi mughals, does this explain well? Also i didn't knew Tanoli were not supposed to be pashtuns....

History of Mughals in Pakistan
In Pakistan, Mughal communities are found in Sindh and Punjab provinces.

In Punjab


The Mughal (Mistry) are considered directly descended from theMughal dynasty that ruled India. During the fall of the Mughalempire most of the Mughals that survived were forced to flee, leaving their land and wealth behind. They escaped into the mountains of Kashmir and gradually settled in (Azaad Kashmir - Pakistan). With their love for Architecture, they took to work as builders (Mistry). Others took to metal work (Lohar) and Carpentry (Tarkhan)Tarkhan Dynasty.They are known to have replaced the tribal tradition and opted for the Indian caste system similar to tribal law. Mughals in Mirpur are skilled builders, skilled carpenters (Tarkhan)Tarkhan and skilled black smiths (Lohars)but are not confined to this. Mughals have superb artistic and creative skills and are regarded as the highest caste in the artisan classes. Their skills can be seen in the mosques and buildings that have been built by them. The region of Punjab is also home to a large number of Mughal communities. Historically, they were found in the largest numbers in and around the city of Delhi, and the Rawalpindi Division. The Mughalof the Rawalpindi Division belong to local agricultural tribes locally known by their tribal names, such as the Satti, Gheba, Phaphra and kassar tribes of the Barlas Mughals and Chughtai are also found in the Punjab In addition to these agriculture tribes, members of the Lohar community found in the Punjab also claim Mughal ancestry.A brief description of the major tribal groupings in Punjab that claim Mughalancestry follows.

Phaphra
Several tribal groupings in the Pothohar region of Punjab, Pakistan claim Mughal ancestry. One such tribe are the Phaphra. They occupy a compact area of about 25 square miles (65 km2) at the foot of the Salt Range, east of Pind Dadan Khan in Jhelum District in Pakistan.


The tribe claims to be Mughals, but British ethnographers writing at the beginning of the 20th century expressed doubts. According to their tradition, the tribe came from the direction of Faridkot in Punjab, and settled in the district as traders and agriculturists. The tribe claims descent from a Phaphra who settled in the district in the 15th century.

Gheba

The Gheba are another tribe from the Pothohar region, being one of the principal tribes of the Attock District. They are found mainly in Fateh Jang Tehsil of Attock and claim descent from Gheba khan, who was said to be a Barlas Mughal.

Khamb


The Khamb is another tribe claiming to be Mughal, and found mainly in the Pothohar region of northern Punjab. According to their traditions, the ancestors of the Khamb arrived from Kathiawar, in what is now the modern state of Gujerat in India.


The Khamb were settled in their present abode by a Hashmat Khan, a chief of the Thathal tribe, who are natives of the Pothohar region. This Hashmat Khan was appointed as a garrison commander of Khambhat in Kathiawar by the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb. When Hashmat returned to the Pothohar region of Pakistan, he was accompanied by members of the garrison at Khambait. These troops were of a mixed origin and included troopers of Mongol and Afghan origin from Badakshan. He ordered that a village be built and named it Khanpur, and the Khamb tribe was granted land in and around the new town.


The Khamb, being of at least partly Turkic extraction are now considered to be a clan of the Mughal tribe. Local tradition makes the Moghul tribe to be called Barlas. At present they live in Khambi Kaleechpur and Khanpur in the Gujrat district of Punjab.
Kassar

The Kassar are a Mughal tribe and one of the three major land-owning tribes in the Dhani country of Chakwal District in Punjab province, Pakistan. They occupy the northern part of Dhani, called Babial and Chaupeda. According to the Jhelum District settlement report of 1862, they are mentioned as having come from Jammu along with the Mair-Minhas tribe and been settled in this area by the MughalEmperor, Zaheerudin Babur. According to their traditions, they claim descent from a kinsmen of the Emperor Babur, Kassar. He was said to be a distant cousin of Babur. In addition to Chakwal, they are also found in Sargodha, Jhelum, Attock, Khoshab, Rawalpindi, Tehsil Sohawa, Badin (Sindh), Larkana (Sindh), Muzafar Abad (Kashmir), Ponch (Kashmir), Cakothi(Kashmir).

Jandran

The Jandran are a tribe of Mughal status, found mainly Jhang, Khanewal, Vehari, Lodhran and Sargodha districts of Punjab.
Turk Mughal


In Punjab, the term Turk refers to any inhabitant of Central Asia, or Turkestan, as the region was historically known. The Turks of the Punjab region include the Karlugh Turks of the Hazara Division, who were settled in the region by Timur. These Karlugh Turks resumed the title of "Raja" by which locals used to call them during their rule of Pakhli state, while some Turk clans use "Usmani" as their surname, probably due to their Turkish origin. In addition to these Turks, there was also a colony of Turks settled in Gurdaspur District who were once said to be ropemakers. They claim descent from Turk soldiers settled in Gurdaspur District by the Khilji sultans. These Turks are now settled in and around the city of Faisalabad.

Other clans


* Baig Mughal

* Mirza Mughal

* Ginhal Mughal

* Bandey Mughal

* Mir Mughal

* Mangval Mughal

* Langryal Mughal

* Bich Mughal

* Gani Mughal

* Ashaie Mughal

* Bub Mughal

* Ganju Gharhi Mughal

* Batlla Mughal

* Babri Mughal

* Salour Mughal

* Pathan Mughal

* Numbeli Mughal (tribe of murree)

* Manjotha Mughal

* Marrar Mughal Barlas

* Mughalzai

* Mughal khel

* Mangal

* orya khel

* Mughal Lal Khail

* Tanoli [Tanoli consider themselves to descend from one Amir Khan, a Barlas Mughal]


In Sindh


In Sindh, two Mughal dynasties, the Arghun and Tarkhan, held power for a short periods in the 16th Century. Most of the Sindhi Mughals are descended from Central Asian immigrants who settled in the province during the rule of these two dynasties, these two dynasties were later subdued by Babur. Many Sindhi Mughal's also claim to have arrived in the region during the rebellion of Sher Shah Suri against the Mughal heir-apparent Humayun, in fact many Mughal's settled in Umarkot, and young Akbar was born there. in Sindh the Mughals ruled with the assistance of the Kalhora tribe. Among the famousMughal administrators of Sindh was Mirza Ghazi Beg, during his rule many Sindhi's entered the service of the Mughal Emperors.


A small number of Qazilbash tribesmen settled in Sindh in the 18th Century. A small number of Mughalfamilies are descended from Georgian immigrants, such as the family of Mirza Qilich Beg, the famous Sindhi, who came to during the invasion of Nadir Shah and flourished during the rule of Talpurs. The Sindh Mughals are Sunni, and now entirely speak Sindhi. Manzoor Mughal (D.I.G)Deputy inspector general of police investigations Karachi.Now present Director Intelligence Karachi.Ghulam NabiMughal,an eminent writer of sindhi language and retired Regional Director Food Deppt.(Govt.Sindh) ,belongs to Hyderabad since 1915-20.His family lineage revealed that they were first came into Nasrpur(Sindh,period approximately in the end of 17th century) from the region of kashmir.

In Khyber Pakhtunkhwa

Hazara


In Hazara, the Mughals are found in all the Division, especially Haripur,Abbottabad,and Mansrhra.Tehsil Ghazi also have Mughals.First Settler was Ghazi Baig.

 

[Shahmir]

I found interesting article on Punjabi mughals, does this explain well? Also i didn't knew Tanoli were not supposed to be pashtuns....

History of Mughals in Pakistan
In Pakistan, Mughal communities are found in Sindh and Punjab provinces.

In Punjab


The Mughal (Mistry) are considered directly descended from theMughal dynasty that ruled India. During the fall of the Mughalempire most of the Mughals that survived were forced to flee, leaving their land and wealth behind. They escaped into the mountains of Kashmir and gradually settled in (Azaad Kashmir - Pakistan). With their love for Architecture, they took to work as builders (Mistry). Others took to metal work (Lohar) and Carpentry (Tarkhan)Tarkhan Dynasty.They are known to have replaced the tribal tradition and opted for the Indian caste system similar to tribal law. Mughals in Mirpur are skilled builders, skilled carpenters (Tarkhan)Tarkhan and skilled black smiths (Lohars)but are not confined to this. Mughals have superb artistic and creative skills and are regarded as the highest caste in the artisan classes. Their skills can be seen in the mosques and buildings that have been built by them. The region of Punjab is also home to a large number of Mughal communities. Historically, they were found in the largest numbers in and around the city of Delhi, and the Rawalpindi Division. The Mughalof the Rawalpindi Division belong to local agricultural tribes locally known by their tribal names, such as the Satti, Gheba, Phaphra and kassar tribes of the Barlas Mughals and Chughtai are also found in the Punjab In addition to these agriculture tribes, members of the Lohar community found in the Punjab also claim Mughal ancestry.A brief description of the major tribal groupings in Punjab that claim Mughalancestry follows.

Phaphra
Several tribal groupings in the Pothohar region of Punjab, Pakistan claim Mughal ancestry. One such tribe are the Phaphra. They occupy a compact area of about 25 square miles (65 km2) at the foot of the Salt Range, east of Pind Dadan Khan in Jhelum District in Pakistan.


The tribe claims to be Mughals, but British ethnographers writing at the beginning of the 20th century expressed doubts. According to their tradition, the tribe came from the direction of Faridkot in Punjab, and settled in the district as traders and agriculturists. The tribe claims descent from a Phaphra who settled in the district in the 15th century.

Gheba

The Gheba are another tribe from the Pothohar region, being one of the principal tribes of the Attock District. They are found mainly in Fateh Jang Tehsil of Attock and claim descent from Gheba khan, who was said to be a Barlas Mughal.

Khamb


The Khamb is another tribe claiming to be Mughal, and found mainly in the Pothohar region of northern Punjab. According to their traditions, the ancestors of the Khamb arrived from Kathiawar, in what is now the modern state of Gujerat in India.


The Khamb were settled in their present abode by a Hashmat Khan, a chief of the Thathal tribe, who are natives of the Pothohar region. This Hashmat Khan was appointed as a garrison commander of Khambhat in Kathiawar by the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb. When Hashmat returned to the Pothohar region of Pakistan, he was accompanied by members of the garrison at Khambait. These troops were of a mixed origin and included troopers of Mongol and Afghan origin from Badakshan. He ordered that a village be built and named it Khanpur, and the Khamb tribe was granted land in and around the new town.


The Khamb, being of at least partly Turkic extraction are now considered to be a clan of the Mughal tribe. Local tradition makes the Moghul tribe to be called Barlas. At present they live in Khambi Kaleechpur and Khanpur in the Gujrat district of Punjab.
Kassar

The Kassar are a Mughal tribe and one of the three major land-owning tribes in the Dhani country of Chakwal District in Punjab province, Pakistan. They occupy the northern part of Dhani, called Babial and Chaupeda. According to the Jhelum District settlement report of 1862, they are mentioned as having come from Jammu along with the Mair-Minhas tribe and been settled in this area by the MughalEmperor, Zaheerudin Babur. According to their traditions, they claim descent from a kinsmen of the Emperor Babur, Kassar. He was said to be a distant cousin of Babur. In addition to Chakwal, they are also found in Sargodha, Jhelum, Attock, Khoshab, Rawalpindi, Tehsil Sohawa, Badin (Sindh), Larkana (Sindh), Muzafar Abad (Kashmir), Ponch (Kashmir), Cakothi(Kashmir).

Jandran

The Jandran are a tribe of Mughal status, found mainly Jhang, Khanewal, Vehari, Lodhran and Sargodha districts of Punjab.
Turk Mughal


In Punjab, the term Turk refers to any inhabitant of Central Asia, or Turkestan, as the region was historically known. The Turks of the Punjab region include the Karlugh Turks of the Hazara Division, who were settled in the region by Timur. These Karlugh Turks resumed the title of "Raja" by which locals used to call them during their rule of Pakhli state, while some Turk clans use "Usmani" as their surname, probably due to their Turkish origin. In addition to these Turks, there was also a colony of Turks settled in Gurdaspur District who were once said to be ropemakers. They claim descent from Turk soldiers settled in Gurdaspur District by the Khilji sultans. These Turks are now settled in and around the city of Faisalabad.

Other clans


* Baig Mughal

* Mirza Mughal

* Ginhal Mughal

* Bandey Mughal

* Mir Mughal

* Mangval Mughal

* Langryal Mughal

* Bich Mughal

* Gani Mughal

* Ashaie Mughal

* Bub Mughal

* Ganju Gharhi Mughal

* Batlla Mughal

* Babri Mughal

* Salour Mughal

* Pathan Mughal

* Numbeli Mughal (tribe of murree)

* Manjotha Mughal

* Marrar Mughal Barlas

* Mughalzai

* Mughal khel

* Mangal

* orya khel

* Mughal Lal Khail

* Tanoli [Tanoli consider themselves to descend from one Amir Khan, a Barlas Mughal]


In Sindh


In Sindh, two Mughal dynasties, the Arghun and Tarkhan, held power for a short periods in the 16th Century. Most of the Sindhi Mughals are descended from Central Asian immigrants who settled in the province during the rule of these two dynasties, these two dynasties were later subdued by Babur. Many Sindhi Mughal's also claim to have arrived in the region during the rebellion of Sher Shah Suri against the Mughal heir-apparent Humayun, in fact many Mughal's settled in Umarkot, and young Akbar was born there. in Sindh the Mughals ruled with the assistance of the Kalhora tribe. Among the famousMughal administrators of Sindh was Mirza Ghazi Beg, during his rule many Sindhi's entered the service of the Mughal Emperors.


A small number of Qazilbash tribesmen settled in Sindh in the 18th Century. A small number of Mughalfamilies are descended from Georgian immigrants, such as the family of Mirza Qilich Beg, the famous Sindhi, who came to during the invasion of Nadir Shah and flourished during the rule of Talpurs. The Sindh Mughals are Sunni, and now entirely speak Sindhi. Manzoor Mughal (D.I.G)Deputy inspector general of police investigations Karachi.Now present Director Intelligence Karachi.Ghulam NabiMughal,an eminent writer of sindhi language and retired Regional Director Food Deppt.(Govt.Sindh) ,belongs to Hyderabad since 1915-20.His family lineage revealed that they were first came into Nasrpur(Sindh,period approximately in the end of 17th century) from the region of kashmir.

In Khyber Pakhtunkhwa

Hazara


In Hazara, the Mughals are found in all the Division, especially Haripur,Abbottabad,and Mansrhra.Tehsil Ghazi also have Mughals.First Settler was Ghazi Baig.

One thing I am sure about is that 98 % of Lohar (metal workers) and Tarkhans (masons, carpenter) are self-imposed mughals. These kind of self-imposed surnames are quite common among other kammi families too, for example kumhar have adopted surname of "Rehmani", Teli have "Malik", Some Machhis have "Khokhar", Julahas have "Ansari", Mirasis have "Qureshi", Nai usually assumes jatt surnames etc. It is a very recent phenomenon among lohars and carpenters/masons of punjab to adot mughal surname because some retard has started using it for them, do you think elite races like mughals will adopt kammi status within a span of 2 or 3 centuries in punjabi villages, it is a BS. There could be however 1 or 2 % genuine mughals who might have been skillful in artisan work such as Sword/arrow etc. making because these were their main weapons, so it is possible that there were some metal skilled workers among mughals living in mughal settlements, but recent phenomenon of kammi metal/wood/mason occupation families from villages calling themselves "mughal" is indeed a BS, it is a hoax. Metal/wood/mason workers have existed in indus valley civilisation since thousands of years, else who made the metal/wood artifacts recovered in Harrappa and mohenjodaro?

On the other note the "Barlas" (real genunie mughal clan) exists for example in gujrawala, they are landowner aggriculturalists and intermarry in jatt farmers, my friend sandhu jatt's brother in law is a Barlas.

 

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One thing I am sure about is that 98 % of Lohar (metal workers) and Tarkhans (masons, carpenter) are self-imposed mughals. These kind of self-imposed surnames are quite common among other kammi families too, for example kumhar have adopted surname of "Rehmani", Teli have "Malik", Some Machhis have "Khokhar", Julahas have "Ansari", Mirasis have "Qureshi", Nai usually assumes jatt surnames etc. It is a very recent phenomenon among lohars and carpenters/masons of punjab to adot mughal surname because some retard has started using it for them, do you think elite races like mughals will adopt kammi status within a span of 2 or 3 centuries in punjabi villages, it is a BS. There could be however 1 or 2 % genuine mughals who might have been skillful in artisan work such as Sword/arrow etc. making because these were their main weapons, so it is possible that there were some metal skilled workers among mughals living in mughal settlements, but recent phenomenon of kammi metal/wood/mason occupation families from villages calling themselves "mughal" is indeed a BS, it is a hoax. Metal/wood/mason workers have existed in indus valley civilisation since thousands of years, else who made the metal/wood artifacts recovered in Harrappa and mohenjodaro?

On the other note the "Barlas" (real genunie mughal clan) exists for example in gujrawala, they are landowner aggriculturalists and intermarry in jatt farmers, my friend sandhu jatt's brother in law is a Barlas.

This post of yours has BS stuff in it brother.

Mughals know their families. Fakers are easy to recognize.

Mughals have adopted the profession of Lohaar in many areas. That does not make them from other groups.