Khilafah

[Chak Bamu]

The Khilafat system fell apart in less than 20 years , after the demise of Holy prophet (pbuh) ... Even the Khulfa e Rashideen were not elected "democratically" ....

Islamic Jurisprudence accords importance to Sahaba's practice. Khilafat was their interpretation of Quranic injunction of "Apnay Muamilaat Mushawarat sai Chalao". One has to give that weight.

Bayah was the way of giving allegiance and Khulafa-i-Rashideen used this device for substantiating their legitimacy. One can not imagine modern political structures at that time. So you are right and you are wrong, depending upon how one looks at it. But rest assured Sahaba knew what they were doing and what they did was in accordance with Quran and Sunnah.

As an applicable system today, the Khilafat as either a hereditary system, or as an elected dictatorship can not really work. We can agree here, I suppose?

Lol... quoting from Sultan Abdulhamit..... Last Ottoman Sultans are not popular in Turkey, forget Palestine, they sold entire Anatolia to allies. And our so-called Muslim brothers allied themselves with Christians and warred against us....

So ummah, khifah, caliph.... these are just stories of the past for us. Most of us don't believe in such thing.

You mean Arabs? You have a point. But Ottoman misfortunes were keenly felt in South Asia and other parts as well.

Ottoman Sultanate ended because its time had come. One way or another it had to happen.

 

[R2D2]

According to Political Ijtihad of An-Nabhani, political parties based on Islam will be allowed in Khaifah state. They will send representatives to assemblies through elections. The Khilafah will be on the basis of Bayah (Bayt). Can be easily done with fingerprint readers with modern technology. It will be similar to American Presidential system. But economy will be without interest. Justice will be based on Islamic jurisprudence. Although I am not a follower of An Nabhani or Hizb ut Tahrir but many of their ideas are sound. Decisions will be based on Shura in the assemblies but no decision can be against a clear Islamic injunction.

 

[-SINAN-]

You mean Arabs? You have a point. But Ottoman misfortunes were keenly felt in South Asia and other parts as well.
Ottoman Sultanate ended because its time had come. One way or another it had to happen.

Yeap, Ottoman's time was over but with Ottomans also Ummah died for us.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Yeap, Ottoman's time was over but with Ottomans also Ummah died for us.

That is totally understandable. That back-stabbing served Arabs really well, too. Just look at them killing one another over petty differences. And to add that determined and stubborn fetish with dictatorship. They can not seem to evolve modern political systems. Their connection with modernity starts and stops with consumerism.

I love Turks for what they have accomplished despite many inhibiting factors.

 

[Chak Bamu]

According to Political Ijtihad of An-Nabhani, political parties based on Islam will be allowed in Khaifah state. They will send representatives to assemblies through elections. The Khilafah will be on the basis of Bayah (Bayt). Can be easily done with fingerprint readers with modern technology. It will be similar to American Presidential system. But economy will be without interest. Justice will be based on Islamic jurisprudence. Although I am not a follower of An Nabhani or Hizb ut Tahrir but many of their ideas are sound. Decisions will be based on Shura in the assemblies but no decision can be against a clear Islamic injunction.

There are short-comings in this model. But it is better than just raising slogans.

However, Pakistan can not afford the Khilafat project by itself.

One must ask if Khilafat can effectively address today's problems. If hasty application raises more problems than solves, then we can not have it. We have to ask if Khilafat will be good for the world at large, and how so? If it can solve some of world's problems, then there would be value in it. If it were to become an instrument of repression based on sectarianism, then we can not have it.

Its really not that difficult. Muslim countries with representative system of governance can agree to assign a small portion of their budgets for social, educational, and intellectual uplift among themselves and in countries around them. A token force can be stood up based on volunteers as a mutual defense structure. Any entity based on senior legislators from multiple countries can elect a chairman to oversee such projects. If we Muslims can make a positive difference in our countries as well as our neighbors, then we can have our Khilafat. If the spectre of Khilafat means nightmare for non-Muslims then there would be no point in it.

For Khilafat, we have to discard the thinking based on conquering territory and subjugating people. That was a very different era and thought-pattern. We can not have it today. One can not raise an agent of positive change based on reactionary thinking.

 

[Multani]

An impassioned call for peace

We, Pakistanis and Muslims have a long history of association with Khilafah. First we supported the Ottomans during the Khilafat movement led by Maulana Muhammad Ali Jauher during 1st World War. Then Dr Israr Ahmed started peaceful preaching for revival of Khilafah from Lahore in the seventies. Among those influenced by him were the Sharif biradran. So much so that Nawaz Sharif planned to declare Khilafah in the nineties when he was removed by Qadiani Musharraf.

In the meantime, in the Arab World Shaikh Taqiuddin An Nabhani, who was a jurist during Ottoman time in Palestine launched the movement for the revival of Khilafah in Jordan in 1951. Now Hizb ut Tahrir has spread all over the Islamic World. The greatest contribution of An Nabhani was development of the Islamic Constitution.

Most of the Islamic movements in the world are united for revival of Khilafah. The Khilafah passed from the four rightly guided Caliphs to Ommayyads and from them to the Abbasides. When they became weak the Ottomans took the mantle. When the Ottomans became weak, the Khilafah was abolished.

There are two parties with weapons in Pakistan, the Army and the Taliban. They are fighting needlessly because of misconceptions, international conspiracy and Qadiani mischief of Musharraf. When the two were united, they defeated the Russians and liberated the whole of Central Asia

Now, the Pakistanis are the most ablest nation among Muslims to revive Khilafah.

It is time for the army and the people to reconcile and give their bayt, to whomsoever becomes the Caliph to take the message of Islam forward and liberate Kashmir and Palestine.

Revival of Khilafah is a religious obligation upon all Muslims and they cannot lead their individual, collective social, economic and political life without Khilafah as can be seen from different failed experiments carried out in the Muslim world and especially Pakistan since the British rule ended.

I believe you do not know what Khlafat in Islam means. Your post has inaccuracies and shows emotional blackmail.

You cannot unite with khawarij like TTP to make a Khilafat. TTP/Hizbu Tahreer, and their systems are not Islam, and they are certainly not Khilafat.

Most of the Umayyads were tyrants and kings, and do not deserve Khilafat. Majority of the Abbasids and Ottomans too.

There is nothing "democratic" about the so called Khilafah !!

Khilafat is the Sunnah of the Khulafa Rashidoon. To insult it is to insult them.

Yeap, Ottoman's time was over but with Ottomans also Ummah died for us.

not for the thousands of Sunni Scholars in Turkey, with their tens of millions of followers today both Naqshbandis and Qadiris.

 

[Multani]

Military operation is a part of political strategy. Look at what's happening in politics! IK and TUQ warming up to remove NS govt. Shaikh Rashid and Chaudhry's with them. With today's unfolding events in Model town and killing of 8 and injury of more than hundred political situation moving towards meltdown. Now, every one is trying to gain from situation as to who will form next govt. Army as a group also wants to form govt for next 10 years. So, to regain public trust and emerge as heroes, or to preempt joint attack by TTP and Afghan Taliban next year, this operation was launched. But my analysis is that the insurgents will melt away from NW and then start protracted hit and run operations and IED explosions all over the country, the Afghan Taliban will join them and the whole country will be in flames for the next THREE years. Hence, the Operation ZARB e AZB (Asif Zardari-Bhutto) will fail. So, a military takeover will be required to put everything in order and for that NS will be blamed for not supporting the army and miserable government performance as well as corruption. The conclusion is MERAY AZEEM HUMWATNO!!

SUN ZU said that the best strategy is to take over the enemy's forces without a fight. An easier better strategy out of this mess created by Musharraf having political-insurgent-military dimensions will be formation of Khilafat by the Army (as proposed under Islamic Pakistan thread by someone else). The TTP to be reconciled and recruited as Jennisary division of Army based on Ottoman model. The raison de etre for fighting between the TTP and Army/Government will end. Objectives resolution to be implemented in letter and spirit. Islamic Constitution developed by Taqiuddin An Nabhani can serve as model. Pashtun areas in Afghanistan and Afghan Taliban will also join such a government voluntarily next year after US moves out. Look at spectacular victories of Taliban in 1996 and ISIS in Iraq this year. But this will require a serious out of the box thinking. Why go for 10 year rule when a better and long term option exists.

taqi ud din Nabhani is not a qualified scholar, neither is he a Sunni. He went against his own noble family and the Sunni madhabs.

 

[R2D2]

There are short-comings in this model. But it is better than just raising slogans.

However, Pakistan can not afford the Khilafat project by itself.

One must ask if Khilafat can effectively address today's problems. If hasty application raises more problems than solves, then we can not have it. We have to ask if Khilafat will be good for the world at large, and how so? If it can solve some of world's problems, then there would be value in it. If it were to become an instrument of repression based on sectarianism, then we can not have it.

Its really not that difficult. Muslim countries with representative system of governance can agree to assign a small portion of their budgets for social, educational, and intellectual uplift among themselves and in countries around them. A token force can be stood up based on volunteers as a mutual defense structure. Any entity based on senior legislators from multiple countries can elect a chairman to oversee such projects. If we Muslims can make a positive difference in our countries as well as our neighbors, then we can have our Khilafat. If the spectre of Khilafat means nightmare for non-Muslims then there would be no point in it.

For Khilafat, we have to discard the thinking based on conquering territory and subjugating people. That was a very different era and thought-pattern. We can not have it today. One can not raise an agent of positive change based on reactionary thinking.

As far as Shia are concerned, they can join the Khilafah or not depending on their free choice. Their legal issues will decided according to their faith.

Rest of the Sunni countries will be asked to join voluntarily by raising awareness.

I agree with you to some extent. Muslim countries can keep their political orders by accepting the soverignity of the Caliph. historically, the Caliph used to give recognition to rulers of India which made them legal in the eyes of the people.

As far as the west is concerned if it gives them imagined nightmares as the Pope used to have when Ottomans attacked Vienna, can't do anything about it.

As far as realpolitik is concerned Ottomans sided with Germany and Italy in WW1 who are christians. Iran is a theocratic state and it is allied today with Russia and having dialogue with America.

The Khilfah will be manged by sane people. Every political order is afraid of ideology, be it democracy during French Revolution or rise of Communism. Ideas have a way of spreading.

 

[-SINAN-]

not for the thousands of Sunni Scholars in Turkey, with their tens of millions of followers today both Naqshbandis and Qadiris.

No such thing.

Do you know ıslamic Scholar "Adnan Oktar" - "Harun Yahya" I'm his follower.

@xenon54 come mate, interesting subject here.

 

[Multani]

Khilafah theory has become the reason why Taliban, ISIL, and some elements in Libya can get some recruit and destabilize many Muslim nations. But what they don't know is that it will only destroy many Muslim nation thus decrease Islam power.

BTW. Khilafah is simple, we can make NATO like group. So, simple. Just clean up internal conflict in each Muslim country FIRST so then we can talk another step.

very good post, ma sha Alah

I agree with you to some extent on NATO. But why cleanup when we can make a Jennisry Guerrila force like French Foreign Legion out of the islamic fighters

you mean another GIA of Algeria and the French?

 

[Multani]

Remember Abul Kalam Azad was totally unqualified in giving Islamic rulings.

Sunni scholars throughout India opposed and refuted Abul Kalam Azad

No such thing.

Do you know ıslamic Scholar "Adnan Oktar" - "Harun Yahya" I'm his follower.

@xenon54 come mate, interesting subject here.

harun yahya is not a Muslim, but a freemason

 

[-SINAN-]

harun yahya is not a Muslim, but a freemason

I tried to trick you and you didn't fall.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Thank you for the laughs.

 

[xenon54 out]

No such thing.

Do you know ıslamic Scholar "Adnan Oktar" - "Harun Yahya" I'm his follower.

@xenon54 come mate, interesting subject here.

Isis is allready building its own Caliphate maybe we will negotiate with them one day if we can join their Caliphate just like with EU.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Khilafah theory has become the reason why Taliban, ISIL, and some elements in Libya can get some recruit and destabilize many Muslim nations. But what they don't know is that it will only destroy many Muslim nation thus decrease Islam power.

BTW. Khilafah is simple, we can make NATO like group. So, simple. Just clean up internal conflict in each Muslim country FIRST so then we can talk another step.

make an OIC force, but who will lead it? im sure KSA will want to,