Kashmiri man Air Commodore Hilal Ahmad Rather who played key role in Rafale’s India journey

[Crixus]

R&AW is/was part of IB ?

Cite RAW.

 

[SQ8]

Ah, the token poster boy - we all have them.

 

[1648]

Air force chief is cerimonial post , IB chief is ceremonial post Prime minister is ceremonial post ... may be in Pakistan not in India ...as you guys have only one peron who is the chief of Army , PM , Chief Justice and waht not rest are ceremonial

I wish you power trying to understand Pakistan but you won't be able to. So why not give up on it?

 

[Crixus]

Why some other country has any kind of expectation from other countries

Few token posts in 70 plus years for all the land captured

That is the least one can expect even from a country like you

 

[1648]

R&AW is/was part of IB ?

That's like saying ISI takes dictation from IB. No way!

 

[Crixus]

I was just telling the pot that he is more black then kettle

I wish you power trying to understand Pakistan but you won't be able to. So why not give up on it?

In India R&AW takes work force from IB , you cant compare R&AW with ISI . R&AW is civilian wing while ISI is quasi paramilitary force ....you can compare ISI with DIA which is still led by a Lt. From minority community

That's like saying ISI takes dictation from IB. No way!

 

[Trango Towers]

With more than 3000 hours of accident-free flying on MiG 21s, Mirage-2000, and Kiran aircraft,


Looooooooool

 

[namefield_empty]

Pakistan is an islamic republic from the beginning

We didn't do drama of secularism like you to capture more and more land

Indeed, as an Islamic Republic, Pakistan finds itself in the glorious company of Afghanistan, Iran and Mauritania..

And the baggage that comed with it.

 

[xeuss]

Ah, the token poster boy - we all have them.

I disagree. A token poster boy is usually a political appointment to serve a political purpose. Examples that come to mind are Giani Zail Singh who was made President of India during the Sikh crisis of the 1980s or Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed after the 1971 war.

With around 15% of Muslim population, Muslims lag behind on every social indicator and subject to discrimination at all levels. The few people like SA Ibrahim and Air Commodore Hilal Ahmed who make the top ranks are extraordinary individuals whose talents and expertise stand above and beyond all, that even a discriminatory society like India has no option but to promote them.

There are two factors that work against such people. One is the Muslim name and the other is the normal bureaucratic infighting that goes along with the territory. For a Muslim to overcome such adversity and move to the top, is indeed an achievement that must be appreciated.

However, when we measure the success of a community within society, we should not take the few examples of brilliant individuals and use it as a yardstick. Success of a community is measured by the overall performance of the community, and sadly, in that regard, the Muslims lag far behind the Hindus at every social/economic/educational level.

 

[1648]

I was just telling the pot that he is more black then kettle


In India R&AW takes work force from IB , you cant compare R&AW with ISI . R&AW is civilian wing while ISI is quasi paramilitary force ....you can compare ISI with DIA which is still led by a Lt. From minority community

https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/muslims-and-sikhs-need-not-apply/233087

Excerpt:
"From 1969 till today—RAW’s current staff strength is about 10,000—it has avoided recruiting any Muslim officer."

Indeed, as an Islamic Republic, Pakistan finds itself in the glorious company of Afghanistan, Iran and Mauritania..

And the baggage that comed with it.

Where do they teach English in indya?

 

[Crixus]

They are talking about the agents which work on adhocs and ares borderig Pakistan are mainly non muslim majority areas .... like smugglers , I gave you the name of chief of IB who is muslim by faith and just FYI IB also operates in Pakistan

https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/muslims-and-sikhs-need-not-apply/233087

Excerpt:
"From 1969 till today—RAW’s current staff strength is about 10,000—it has avoided recruiting any Muslim officer."



Where do they teach English in indya?

 

[Areesh]

Indeed, as an Islamic Republic, Pakistan finds itself in the glorious company of Afghanistan, Iran and Mauritania..

And the baggage that comed with it.

Control the islamphobia man. You aren't a Switzerland either

 

[1648]

They are talking about the agents which work on adhocs and ares borderig Pakistan are mainly non muslim majority areas .... like smugglers , I gave you the name of chief of IB who is muslim by faith and just FYI IB also operates in Pakistan

Trust WikiLeaks.

Excerpt:

"No reason was stated for the curt instruction on Muslims. They were also kept away from handling sensitive posts in RAW and Intelligence Bureau (IB) with the exception of Syed Ibrahim, who recently retired as the chief of IB."

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/content/488755/intelligence-agencies-not-favour-involving.html

 

[Crixus]

Dude ,I dont know why R&AW is such a big thing for you guys , real valuable intelligence is with NTRO and IB ....R&AW is a dud to best a tea club of IPS...... and no one knows the actual strength of R&AW and forget about the faith of officers .
Whats the source of information about the faith of officers of R&AW , Asif Ibrahim was the chief of IB which is by all means more powerful then R&AW strength wise , budget wise and resources wise.... capable muslims did attained some very very powerful position in India on the basis of their sheer hard work and capabilities

Dr APJ kalam achieved more then any Indian can on the basis of sheer hardwork

Trust WikiLeaks.

Excerpt:

"No reason was stated for the curt instruction on Muslims. They were also kept away from handling sensitive posts in RAW and Intelligence Bureau (IB) with the exception of Syed Ibrahim, who recently retired as the chief of IB."

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/content/488755/intelligence-agencies-not-favour-involving.html

 

[1648]

Dude ,I dont know why R&AW is such a big thing for you guys , real valuable intelligence is with NTRO and IB ....R&AW is a dud to best a tea club of IPS...... and no one knows the actual strength of R&AW and forget about the faith of officers .
Whats the source of information about the faith of officers of R&AW , Asif Ibrahim was the chief of IB which is by all means more powerful then R&AW strength wise , budget wise and resources wise.... capable muslims did attained some very very powerful position in India on the basis of their sheer hard work and capabilities

Dr APJ kalam achieved more then any Indian can on the basis of sheer hardwork

Is that why clouds block radar waves because NTRO advises to chaiwallah directly?

Now stick to the point.

Excerpt:
Intelligence agencies in India have long followed an unwritten ‘no entry’ policy for Muslims (though there have been a few Muslim officers in the IB), while Sikhs are banned from SPG, formed in 1984 to provide security to the prime minister, and the National Security Guard (NSG), the elite anti-terror force functioning under the Union Ministry of Home Affairs. “This is not a new policy. There have been no Muslim officers in RAW since its formation in 1969,” says a former RAW officer. “It has its own reasons for following this policy.”

http://old.tehelka.com/the-bias-against-minorities-in-intelligence-recruitments/