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[suyog chavan]

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Tīmūr was driven out in 1758 by a force of Sikhs, Mughals, and Marathas, but in 1759–61 Aḥmad Shah swept the Marathas from the Punjab and destroyed their large army at Panipat, north of Delhi, in the third Battle of Panipat (January 14, 1761).

You guys did not even get a chance to street shit. Before 12 months were out you got routed and at Third Panipat you got a lesson to not mess with men. After that you tok refuge under your womans Saree's.

And try to use semi-impartial sources rather then Gangupedia with it's 'contributions' by head wobblers.

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Marathas compensated there killed soldiers in panipat by total merciless annihilation of rohilla pathans who sided with abdali in battle of panipat,
And reinstated their autonomy over Delhi again.

Though Abdali won the battle, he also had heavy casualties on his side and sought peace with the Marathas. Abdali sent a letter to Nanasaheb Peshwa (who was moving towards Delhi, albeit at a very slow pace to join Bhau against Abdali) appealing to the Peshwa that he was not the one who attacked Bhau and was just defending himself. Abdali wrote in his letter to Peshwa on 10 February 1761

"There is no reason to have animosity amongst us. Your son Vishwasrao and your brother Sadashivrao died in battle, was unfortunate. Bhau started the battle, so I had to fight back unwillingly. Yet I feel sorry for his death. Please continue your guardianship of Delhi as before, to that I have no opposition. Only let Punjab until Sutlaj remain with us. Reinstate Shah Alam on Delhi's throne as you did before and let there be peace and friendship between us, this is my ardent desire. Grant me that desire."
These circumstances made Abdali leave India at the earliest. Before departing, he ordered the Indian chiefs, through a Royal Firman (order) (including Clive of India), to recognise Shah Alam II as Emperor.


Map of India in 1765, before the fall of Nawabs and Princely states nominally allied to the emperor (mainly in Green).
Ahmad Shah also appointed Najib-ud-Daula as ostensible regent to the Mughal Emperor. In addition, Najib and Munir-ud-daulah agreed to pay to Abdali, on behalf of the Mughal king, an annual tribute of four million rupees. This was to be Ahmad Shah's final major expedition to North India, as the losses in the battle left him without the capacity to wage any further war against the Marathas, and as he became increasingly preoccupied with the rise of the Sikhs.

Shah Shuja's forces (including Persian advisers) played a decisive role in collecting intelligence against the Maratha forces and was notorious in ambushing the leading in hundreds of casualties.

After the Battle of Panipat the services of the Rohillas were rewarded by grants of Shikohabad to Nawab Faiz-ullah Khan and of Jalesar and Firozabad to Nawab Sadullah Khan. Najib Khan proved to be an effective ruler. However, after his death in 1770, the Rohillas were defeated by the British East India Company.[citation needed] Najib died on 30 October 1770.

The result of the battle was the temporary halting of further Maratha advances in the north and destabilisation of their territories for roughly ten years. This period is marked by the rule of Peshwa Madhavrao, who is credited with the revival of Maratha domination following the defeat at Panipat. In 1771, ten years after Panipat, Mahadji Shinde led a large Maratha army into northern India in an punitive expedition which re-established Maratha domination in that area and punished refractory powers that had either sided with the Afghans, such as the Rohillas, or had shaken off Maratha domination after Panipat. But their success was short lived. Crippled by Madhavrao's untimely death at the age of 28, infighting ensued among Maratha chiefs soon after, and they ultimately met their final blow at the hands of the British in 1818.

Destruction of his tomb by the Marathas
His son Zabita Khan was defeated by the Marathas, led by Mahadji Sindhia (shinde) in 1772 and the fort of Pathargarh was completely looted by the Marathas in the form of horses, elephants, guns and other valuable things, to avenge the deaths of Maratha Warriors who fall in the battle of Delhi and Panipat, Marathas also destroyed grave of Najib, scattering his bones all around.

A few years later, in the subsequent Rohilla War, the Rohillas were attacked by Awadh with help from British East India Company forces. When Hafiz Rahmat Khan was killed, in April 1774, they were defeated, and Rohilkhand was plundered; and later, the Rohilla power east of the Ganges was ended, and the final treaty by which the territory was incorporated in Awadh was concluded at Lal Dhang. The District was ceded to the British by the Nawab of Awadh, Saadat Ali Khan II in 1801.

rohilla pathans ran away and took shelter in the hills.

 

[SecularNationalist]

And few months back ladakh was part of akhand Bharat
Such big statements comes right after when they get humiliated and loose large chunks of land.Their 1000 year history has a knack of repeating itself.

 

[arjunk]

Pakistan- Wants all of India

India- Wants all of Pakistan

So much love between the two that it becomes hate

technically all of india is in Pakistan because the Indus is in Pakistan

 

[suyog chavan]

The afghanis never intended to conquer or hold HIndustan. Their intention and mission was always to raid, look, plunder and return to the Gardens of Kabul/Herat. Afghanis would rather die than want to live in Hindustan

After the battle of Panipat nor did they had guts to loot India again , lol
Read letters of Ahmad shah to Maratha Peshwa .

BJP/RSS are the best thing to happen to Pakistan. During peacetime they destroy India from the inside while dreaming of Karachi being part of India. During wartime they are the first to compromise and sip their cup of tea

I pray for 10 year of Modi

Please pray for Imran khan too.
PM for lifetime

@suyog chavan

Considering your reductionism over non-hindu elements of the Maratha army, please consider the composition of Maratha forces at Panipat. From an Indian military chronicler:

"On April 14, 1760, Sadashivrao Bhau left Poona on his way to Delhi with the bulk of the Huzurat or the Peshwa's army.

The fighting strength of the army was around 50,000.

Nearly three times that number also accompanied as followers.

Most of the experienced soldiers like Mehendale, Shamsher Bahadur, Winchurkar, Pawar, Gaikwar of Baroda and Mankeshwar went with this force.

A major addition was the French-trained infantry of Ibrahim Khan Gardi that had a strength of 8,000 men armed with the latest French-made rifles.

Gardi had an artillery park of 200 excellent guns and also war rockets.

Many Goans, Portuguese and some Western mercenaries manned the artillery.

In May and June on reaching Agra, Malharao Holkar and Jankoji Shinde joined the Maratha army with their cavalry.

By the time the Marathas reached Delhi the strength of their army had swelled to nearly 2 lakhs."

The battle outcome itself:

"A fearful slaughter took place and the Marathas were completely routed.

The Afghan casualties were also very heavy and soon after the battle Abdali quickly left for Afghanistan.

On his way, his army suffered heavily due to the attacks by Sikhs.

In the battle of Govindwal, the Sikhs rescued many Maratha prisoners who were being carried off to Afghanistan as slaves.

Many widows never came back and instead married Sikh soldiers.

Many Marathas, instead of coming back to Maharashtra, went to the hills in the north and settled there.

In all, the Maratha losses were put at 22 generals and nearly 100,000 soldiers.

The estimated population of Maharashtra at that time was around 8 million and it was indeed a heavy blow.

The flower of youth of one whole generation perished at Panipat.

There was scarcely a home in Maharashtra that did not lose at least one member of its family at Panipat."


Again, what exactly did the marathas achieve here? Sikhs inflicted damage to afghans while they returned to Afghanistan after routing the marathas.

Did Afghans really want to fight a whole bunch of nawabs and nizams for another century? No. They decided to take their winnings and check out. There was no single enemy controlling Hindustan for the Afghanis to round on, hence the battles would have been complex thereafter, hence a strategic decision to return to Afg, despite routing the Maratha army, 100,000 killed out of only 8million.....and you're posting love letters from the Afghanis as some evidence of another great partial pseudo-victory for marathas??

You're hilariously delusional. Panipat was a slaughter, from which the demise of marathas was only a matter of time. You lost your entire fighting class. The Afghanis only turned back because of above described complexities of pressing into a heavily factionalised post-Mughal subcontinent, not because of some military deficiency against hindus.

I'll do the British and mysoreans lastly..

Ibrahim Khan Gardi was one of the Gardis trained by Bussy (later Governor General of the French colony of Pondicherry from 1783 to 1785)

(Charles Joseph Patissier de Bussy)

Ibrahim Khan was in the services of Nizam Ali and was highly attached to him and had participated in the battle of Palakhed against the Marathas in which the Marathas won. Nizam Ali also had a lot of affection for Ibrahim Khan, he along with his chief officials attended the marriage of the daughter of this Gardi commander. In June 1758 Bussy was recalled and he left the services of Nizam of Hyderabad Salabat Jung. After Bussy's departure affairs took a rapid turn for the worse in the Nizam's State. Salabat Jang and Nizam Ali quarrelled over the power to manage the administration as Salabat Jang was a mere figure-head, playing into the hands of his powerful ministers. During the war on the east coast, Captain Forde of the British East India Company marched into the Northern Sarkars and captured those districts for themselves : neither Salabat Jang nor Nizam Ali could prevent this. The latter demanded from Salabat Jang the sole management of affairs : but Salabat Jang was afraid of his own life being attempted by Nizam Ali's Gardis headed by Ibrahim Khan. He therefore stipulated that he would entrust him with all powers provided he dismissed Ibrahim Khan from his service. This he agreed to do.

Ibrahim Khan was dismissed by Nizam Ali in October 1759 and the latter was given full powers of administration by Salabat Jang. Raja Vithal Das paid the arrear of three lakhs in full immediately and expelled Ibrahim Khan Gardi from the services of Nizam Ali on 9th October. When Sadashivrao at Poona learnt of Ibrahim Khan's dismissal, he at once engaged him in his employ with the help of one Keshavrao Panse , having already fully satisfied himself about the latter's honesty and capacity. This was the reason that provoked Muzaffar Khan, the rival gardi commander to attempt Bhausaheb's life. Ibrahim Khan was to join service at Poona on November 5, 1759.

Sadshivrao granted Ibrahim Khan the sole management of Peshwa’s artillery. Ibrahim Khan entered the services of Peshwa with 12,000 French-trained sepoys forming 12 battalions of thousand men each. Ibrahim Khan led Peshwa’s artillery in the battle of Udgir and fought against the gardis of Nizam Ali. In this battle Ibrahim Khan displayed an impressive show of his French capacities and talent.

Impressed by his capacities Sadshivrao decided to take Ibrahim Khan in the Panipat campaign. Ibrahim Khan set out from Patdur with 8,000 gardi sepoys. Ibrahim Khan proved useful at Delhi and Kunjpura where his guns created havoc in the Afghan camps. Impressed by this general of Sadshivrao, the Afghans tried to detach him from the Marathas in the name of religion but this loyal general boldly turned down all lucrative offers. It was on the advice of Ibrahim Khan that Sadshivrao decided to entrench himself at Panipat. Finally in the main battle fought on 14th January, it was his war plan (of moving in a hollow square formation) that was implemented by Sadshivrao but was not consistently followed by his Maratha Generals.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And reinstated their autonomy over Delhi again

All this is in deep Gangadesh. It would be equivalent of you lot reaching Kabul. The point was your hold in Peshawar did not even last months. And like a lost tide you receded back into darkness. The only people who did give grief were Sikhs but they set up the Sikh Empire and not "India".

 

[suyog chavan]

@suyog chavan

Considering your reductionism over non-hindu elements of the Maratha army, please consider the composition of Maratha forces at Panipat. From an Indian military chronicler:

"On April 14, 1760, Sadashivrao Bhau left Poona on his way to Delhi with the bulk of the Huzurat or the Peshwa's army.

The fighting strength of the army was around 50,000.

Nearly three times that number also accompanied as followers.

Most of the experienced soldiers like Mehendale, Shamsher Bahadur, Winchurkar, Pawar, Gaikwar of Baroda and Mankeshwar went with this force.

A major addition was the French-trained infantry of Ibrahim Khan Gardi that had a strength of 8,000 men armed with the latest French-made rifles.

Gardi had an artillery park of 200 excellent guns and also war rockets.

Many Goans, Portuguese and some Western mercenaries manned the artillery.

In May and June on reaching Agra, Malharao Holkar and Jankoji Shinde joined the Maratha army with their cavalry.

By the time the Marathas reached Delhi the strength of their army had swelled to nearly 2 lakhs."

The battle outcome itself:

"A fearful slaughter took place and the Marathas were completely routed.

The Afghan casualties were also very heavy and soon after the battle Abdali quickly left for Afghanistan.

On his way, his army suffered heavily due to the attacks by Sikhs.

In the battle of Govindwal, the Sikhs rescued many Maratha prisoners who were being carried off to Afghanistan as slaves.

Many widows never came back and instead married Sikh soldiers.

Many Marathas, instead of coming back to Maharashtra, went to the hills in the north and settled there.

In all, the Maratha losses were put at 22 generals and nearly 100,000 soldiers.

The estimated population of Maharashtra at that time was around 8 million and it was indeed a heavy blow.

The flower of youth of one whole generation perished at Panipat.

There was scarcely a home in Maharashtra that did not lose at least one member of its family at Panipat."


Again, what exactly did the marathas achieve here? Sikhs inflicted damage to afghans while they returned to Afghanistan after routing the marathas.

Did Afghans really want to fight a whole bunch of nawabs and nizams for another century? No. They decided to take their winnings and check out. There was no single enemy controlling Hindustan for the Afghanis to round on, hence the battles would have been complex thereafter, hence a strategic decision to return to Afg, despite routing the Maratha army, 100,000 killed out of only 8million.....and you're posting love letters from the Afghanis as some evidence of another great partial pseudo-victory for marathas??

You're hilariously delusional. Panipat was a slaughter, from which the demise of marathas was only a matter of time. You lost your entire fighting class. The Afghanis only turned back because of above described complexities of pressing into a heavily factionalised post-Mughal subcontinent, not because of some military deficiency against hindus.

I'll do the British and mysoreans lastly..

Do you know this , number of Maratha causalities were compensated by merciless killing of rohilla Pathans of rohilkhand who sided with abdali in battle of panipat,later By maratha forces in 1772 ,
which led to mass killings and massacre's of rohilla pathans to avenge the Panipat battle,
In February 1772,visaji krushna along with Mahadji Shinde, he overpowered the Rohilkhand at Shukratal by defeating Zabtakhan. He took severe revenge of the defeat of Panipat by breaking the tomb of Najib Khan, by looting the artillery and wealth of the Rohillas and by recovering from them an additional tribute of Rs.40 lakhs.

All this is in deep Gangadesh. It would be equivalent of you lot reaching Kabul. The point was your hold in Peshawar did not even last months. And like a lost tide you receded back into darkness. The only people who did give grief were Sikhs but they set up the Sikh Empire and not "India".

LOL, Do you even know the capital city of sikh empire???
and now the impeccable Mughals are like out of the scene though, weird.

The afghanis never intended to conquer or hold HIndustan. Their intention and mission was always to raid, look, plunder and return to the Gardens of Kabul/Herat. Afghanis would rather die than want to live in Hindustan.

But they surely wanted to advance further into india though,(for loot)
That didn't happen in history , isn't It so ???

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

Before posting a laughing emoji ,
You must know what happened to rohillas pathans of rohilakhand, who sided with the abdali during battle of panipat,
Destruction of his tomb by the Marathas
His son Zabita Khan was defeated by the Marathas, led by Mahadji Sindhia (shinde) in 1772 and the fort of Pathargarh was completely looted by the Marathas in the form of horses, elephants, guns and other valuable things, to avenge the deaths of Maratha Warriors who fall in the battle of Delhi and Panipat, Marathas also destroyed grave of Najib, scattering his bones all around.

A few years later, in the subsequent Rohilla War, the Rohillas were attacked by Awadh with help from British East India Company forces. When Hafiz Rahmat Khan was killed, in April 1774, they were defeated, and Rohilkhand was plundered; and later, the Rohilla power east of the Ganges was ended, and the final treaty by which the territory was incorporated in Awadh was concluded at Lal Dhang. The District was ceded to the British by the Nawab of Awadh, Saadat Ali Khan II in 1801.

rohilla pathans ran away and took shelter in the hills.

Lolx so hiding the fact that Abdali f*cked you hard by what happened with Rohillas ?

 

[Patriot786b2]

Is this BJP minister. Hallucinating does he assume we are sleeping across the border? Seriously wtf?

 

[Black.Mamba]

Jiyati hai yeh bhaut jiyada. Lahore ko bhi add kero list mai, Modi gee jinadabad.

Btw what do Indian Politicans smoke? I bet it is some potent stuff

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

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Marathas compensated there killed soldiers in panipat by total merciless annihilation of rohilla pathans who sided with abdali in battle of panipat,
And reinstated their autonomy over Delhi again.

Though Abdali won the battle, he also had heavy casualties on his side and sought peace with the Marathas. Abdali sent a letter to Nanasaheb Peshwa (who was moving towards Delhi, albeit at a very slow pace to join Bhau against Abdali) appealing to the Peshwa that he was not the one who attacked Bhau and was just defending himself. Abdali wrote in his letter to Peshwa on 10 February 1761

"There is no reason to have animosity amongst us. Your son Vishwasrao and your brother Sadashivrao died in battle, was unfortunate. Bhau started the battle, so I had to fight back unwillingly. Yet I feel sorry for his death. Please continue your guardianship of Delhi as before, to that I have no opposition. Only let Punjab until Sutlaj remain with us. Reinstate Shah Alam on Delhi's throne as you did before and let there be peace and friendship between us, this is my ardent desire. Grant me that desire."
These circumstances made Abdali leave India at the earliest. Before departing, he ordered the Indian chiefs, through a Royal Firman (order) (including Clive of India), to recognise Shah Alam II as Emperor.


Map of India in 1765, before the fall of Nawabs and Princely states nominally allied to the emperor (mainly in Green).
Ahmad Shah also appointed Najib-ud-Daula as ostensible regent to the Mughal Emperor. In addition, Najib and Munir-ud-daulah agreed to pay to Abdali, on behalf of the Mughal king, an annual tribute of four million rupees. This was to be Ahmad Shah's final major expedition to North India, as the losses in the battle left him without the capacity to wage any further war against the Marathas, and as he became increasingly preoccupied with the rise of the Sikhs.

Shah Shuja's forces (including Persian advisers) played a decisive role in collecting intelligence against the Maratha forces and was notorious in ambushing the leading in hundreds of casualties.

After the Battle of Panipat the services of the Rohillas were rewarded by grants of Shikohabad to Nawab Faiz-ullah Khan and of Jalesar and Firozabad to Nawab Sadullah Khan. Najib Khan proved to be an effective ruler. However, after his death in 1770, the Rohillas were defeated by the British East India Company.[citation needed] Najib died on 30 October 1770.

The result of the battle was the temporary halting of further Maratha advances in the north and destabilisation of their territories for roughly ten years. This period is marked by the rule of Peshwa Madhavrao, who is credited with the revival of Maratha domination following the defeat at Panipat. In 1771, ten years after Panipat, Mahadji Shinde led a large Maratha army into northern India in an punitive expedition which re-established Maratha domination in that area and punished refractory powers that had either sided with the Afghans, such as the Rohillas, or had shaken off Maratha domination after Panipat. But their success was short lived. Crippled by Madhavrao's untimely death at the age of 28, infighting ensued among Maratha chiefs soon after, and they ultimately met their final blow at the hands of the British in 1818.

Destruction of his tomb by the Marathas
His son Zabita Khan was defeated by the Marathas, led by Mahadji Sindhia (shinde) in 1772 and the fort of Pathargarh was completely looted by the Marathas in the form of horses, elephants, guns and other valuable things, to avenge the deaths of Maratha Warriors who fall in the battle of Delhi and Panipat, Marathas also destroyed grave of Najib, scattering his bones all around.

A few years later, in the subsequent Rohilla War, the Rohillas were attacked by Awadh with help from British East India Company forces. When Hafiz Rahmat Khan was killed, in April 1774, they were defeated, and Rohilkhand was plundered; and later, the Rohilla power east of the Ganges was ended, and the final treaty by which the territory was incorporated in Awadh was concluded at Lal Dhang. The District was ceded to the British by the Nawab of Awadh, Saadat Ali Khan II in 1801.

rohilla pathans ran away and took shelter in the hills.

Lolx again hiding behind rohillas... Marathas Mughals and Sikhs together captured Peshawar but you put it as Marathas did it alone shows enough to us how desperate you are to prove your ancestors did something.. as for what you did to take revenge of Panipat was nothing but shameful act I mean you got destroyed by Durrani not rohillas but you saying we took revenge from rohillas

Tumse zyada gooda to Durrani me tha jisne main culprit se revenge lia instead of Sikhs/Mughals...

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Quite simply, marathas were ultimately defeated by the British, and couldn't decisively defeat the mysoreans without the British and the Nizam.

The true resistance against the British came from Haider and Tipu, refusing to side with the British against their local enemies, which cost them ultimately.

To this very day, it irks saffron revisionists that Marathas gleefully sided with abrahamics in order to wage war against other abrahamics. What exactly did the marathas do for Hindustan or the Indian subcontinent, other than to sell themselves to the highest abrahamic slave master available at the time to further their humble ambitions. When in their history can it be argued that the marathas actually defended the supposed native concept of hindu Hindustan from the abrahamic legions? On the contrary, they were simple opportunists, smashing Hindu temples as much as anyone else, slaughtering natives as much as anyone else, and allying with foreigners against natives to further their ambitions.

Dead Maratha kings would have a good chuckle over the pathetic sanghees who swoon over their legends as though they were some noble bastion of native hindustani resistance against foreigners. I don't think they ever believed such arbitrary nonsense themselves, yet their spiritual successors gleefully gulped all the koolaid at once!

"During the First and Second Anglo-Mysore Wars, Haider Ali had brought the British to their knees. Tipu would come to inherit a formidable burden: his father died during the Second Mysore War that he successfully concluded, but two more wars with the British followed in the Third and Fourth Anglo-Mysore Wars, as well as myriad battles with hostile neighbours on all sides, notably the Marathas to the north west, and the kingdom of Hyderabad to the north east."


The fourth Anglo-mysorean war:
"Mysore's alliance with the French was seen as a threat to the East India Company and Mysore was attacked from all four sides. Tipu's army was outnumbered 4:1 in this war. Mysore had 35,000 soldiers, whereas the British commanded 60,000 troops. The Nizam of Hyderabad and the Marathas launched an invasion from the north. The British won a decisive victory at the Siege of Seringapatam (1799). Tipu was killed during the defence of the city. Much of the remaining Mysorean territory was annexed by the British, the Nizam and the Marathas."

Well done marathas for hanging onto the coat tails of more empires than anyone else in Hindustani history. What a great record to hold.

 

[SrNair]

All this is in deep Gangadesh. It would be equivalent of you lot reaching Kabul. The point was your hold in Peshawar did not even last months. And like a lost tide you receded back into darkness. The only people who did give grief were Sikhs but they set up the Sikh Empire and not "India".

The fact the citizens of India supports their Govt only for development in Republic of India not for creating Akhand Bharat .
If our Govt tries for something like that either we will go from India or Govt will change .
Most probably the latter will happen.
We wont allow any addition and burden to our nation

 

[suyog chavan]

Lolx again hiding behind rohillas... Marathas Mughals and Sikhs together captured Peshawar but you put it as Marathas did it alone shows enough to us how desperate you are to prove your ancestors did something.. as for what you did to take revenge of Panipat was nothing but shameful act I mean you got destroyed by Durrani not rohillas but you saying we took revenge from rohillas

Tumse zyada gooda to Durrani me tha jisne main culprit se revenge lia instead of Sikhs/Mughals...

Small brain
silly ,
description for you, To show the doctor.

 

[SQ8]

They wont last 24 hours in Karachi.. and that is before they even get touched by a Karachi resident. This city tears all others not used to it to bits.

 

[vishwambhar]

Karachi??? No thanks but thanks..... just stay away....