Karachi will be part of India one day,We believe in 'Akhand Bharat' : BJP

[suyog chavan]

2 battles and what happened afterwards ? Durrani went as far as Panipat that too in 3 years

Don't act imbecile, Durranis never attacked India again after panipat.
Here Letters by ahmad shah durrani,


Though Abdali won the battle, he also had heavy casualties on his side and sought peace with the Marathas. Abdali sent a letter to Nanasaheb Peshwa (who was moving towards Delhi, albeit at a very slow pace to join Bhau against Abdali) appealing to the Peshwa that he was not the one who attacked Bhau and was just defending himself. Abdali wrote in his letter to Peshwa on 10 February 1761

"There is no reason to have animosity amongst us. Your son Vishwasrao and your brother Sadashivrao died in battle, was unfortunate. Bhau started the battle, so I had to fight back unwillingly. Yet I feel sorry for his death. Please continue your guardianship of Delhi as before, to that I have no opposition. Only let Punjab until Sutlaj remain with us. Reinstate Shah Alam on Delhi's throne as you did before and let there be peace and friendship between us, this is my ardent desire. Grant me that desire."
These circumstances made Abdali leave India at the earliest. Before departing, he ordered the Indian chiefs, through a Royal Firman (order) (including Clive of India), to recognise Shah Alam II as Emperor.


Map of India in 1765, before the fall of Nawabs and Princely states nominally allied to the emperor (mainly in Green).
Ahmad Shah also appointed Najib-ud-Daula as ostensible regent to the Mughal Emperor. In addition, Najib and Munir-ud-daulah agreed to pay to Abdali, on behalf of the Mughal king, an annual tribute of four million rupees. This was to be Ahmad Shah's final major expedition to North India, as the losses in the battle left him without the capacity to wage any further war against the Marathas, and as he became increasingly preoccupied with the rise of the Sikhs.

Shah Shuja's forces (including Persian advisers) played a decisive role in collecting intelligence against the Maratha forces and was notorious in ambushing the leading in hundreds of casualties.

After the Battle of Panipat the services of the Rohillas were rewarded by grants of Shikohabad to Nawab Faiz-ullah Khan and of Jalesar and Firozabad to Nawab Sadullah Khan. Najib Khan proved to be an effective ruler. However, after his death in 1770, the Rohillas were defeated by the British East India Company.[citation needed] Najib died on 30 October 1770.

The result of the battle was the temporary halting of further Maratha advances in the north and destabilisation of their territories for roughly ten years. This period is marked by the rule of Peshwa Madhavrao, who is credited with the revival of Maratha domination following the defeat at Panipat. In 1771, ten years after Panipat, Mahadji Shinde led a large Maratha army into northern India in an punitive expedition which re-established Maratha domination in that area and punished refractory powers that had either sided with the Afghans, such as the Rohillas, or had shaken off Maratha domination after Panipat. But their success was short lived. Crippled by Madhavrao's untimely death at the age of 28, infighting ensued among Maratha chiefs soon after, and they ultimately met their final blow at the hands of the British in 1818.

 

[undercover JIX]

NO THANKS. We the Pakistani Patriots want NOTHING to do with the world's most vulgar, disgusting, ugliest and filthiest race on the planet.

you are 100% correct, but we taught them manners before and made them civilized, we will do it again.

Slaves always need masters otherwise they can not function.

 

[Areesh]

If this happens then being a Karachiite I am ready to do multiple love Jihads in that akhand bharat InshaAllah

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Termed as tactics,
whereas most of the Muslims in Maratha forces were either captured soldiers or non combatants called Pindari,
So you just had a laugh at yourself.
lol, the ignorance though

Marathas achieved what they wanted , Braveheart men from Sahyadri hills freed their motherland from clutches of invaders , whereas "ghazwa e hind" failed miserably, went to the drains,
Reality - Hindu India at your face ,lol

Bit of a tool I see. Let's do this bit by bit.

Mughals first.
"Mughal-Maratha Wars

Map of the Maratha Dominions towards the end of Shivaji's reign.
Date 1680 – May 1707[citation needed]
Location
Present-day states of Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Karnataka, Gujarat, and Tamil Nadu.
Result Maratha victory. Mughals failed to completely annex Maratha state.[1][2]"

Note that last sentence. Failure of complete annexation of maratha empire equates to a "maratha victory" as per Wikipedia chroniclers. I mean this is a friggin embarrassment. But not surprising, considering the spiritual successor of the maratha Reich (the RSS/BJP) regard a partial capitulation to China and loss of only some land as a "heroic victory for India" also.

Let's summarise some more for your little cutty pasty brain:

"By 1757, the Maratha Empire had reached Delhi.

The Mughal empire was split in regional kingdoms, with the Nizam of Hyderabad, Nawab of Oudh and Nawab of Bengal quick to assert the independence of their lands.[10]"

So, the marathas didn't capture any powerful chiefdoms, but rather struck deals to overcome a weakened and interfighting post-Aurangzeb mughalistan. Your map is an outright lie. When the nizams split away from Delhi, they became independent city states, not some militarily defeated entity owned by marathas.

I'll address your dramas with afghans, British and mysore next.

 

[suyog chavan]

2 battles and what happened afterwards ? Durrani went as far as Panipat that too in 3 years

Before posting a laughing emoji ,
You must know what happened to rohillas pathans of rohilakhand, who sided with the abdali during battle of panipat,
Destruction of his tomb by the Marathas
His son Zabita Khan was defeated by the Marathas, led by Mahadji Sindhia (shinde) in 1772 and the fort of Pathargarh was completely looted by the Marathas in the form of horses, elephants, guns and other valuable things, to avenge the deaths of Maratha Warriors who fall in the battle of Delhi and Panipat, Marathas also destroyed grave of Najib, scattering his bones all around.

A few years later, in the subsequent Rohilla War, the Rohillas were attacked by Awadh with help from British East India Company forces. When Hafiz Rahmat Khan was killed, in April 1774, they were defeated, and Rohilkhand was plundered; and later, the Rohilla power east of the Ganges was ended, and the final treaty by which the territory was incorporated in Awadh was concluded at Lal Dhang. The District was ceded to the British by the Nawab of Awadh, Saadat Ali Khan II in 1801.

rohilla pathans ran away and took shelter in the hills.

 

[koolio]

More Wet dreams from bharti shenanigans, They cant even protect their Country from Chinese taking more land as we speak.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

you are 100% correct, but we taught them manners before and made them civilized, we will do it again.

Slaves always need masters otherwise they can not function.

Still bro, NO THANKS. indians are SO ugly that they need to come with a health warning.

More Wet dreams from bharti shenanigans, They cant even protect their Country from Chinese taking more land as we speak.

Imagine forming a nation with the world's most ugliest race in the planet!!!!!!!............

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

The artificial State of India, coerced into existence by the hard handedness of Sardar Patel is near the end of its SHELF LIFE. Among many other experiments this venture aided by the former colonials has failed miserably as well. The fault lines among Regions, Religions, Linguistic groups, Political parties and Social Status are as deep as ever. A few more years of BJP, India will not be in its current form permanently.

 

[KaiserX]

The artificial State of India, coerced into existence by the hard handedness of Sardar Patel is near the end of its SHELF LIFE. Among many other experiments this venture aided by the former colonials has failed miserably as well. The fault lines among Regions, Religions, Linguistic groups, Political parties and Social Status are as deep as ever. A few more years of BJP, India will not be in its current form permanently.

BJP is the antedote to the failure of Indian statehood. Think of it as an alternative vision for a fracturing falling India. Pretty much the only thing that can realistically keep India united is the use and promotion of Hindutva. Even a strong loyal base of 25-30% of the population is enough to keep the country united in some form. I see as the ethnic/religious divison is continuously stroked in India over the next decade, more institutions will continue to break and fall victim to the RSS/BJP duo until there is nothing left. Just a sick Hindu Rashtra, with a failing economy, increased crime/violence, and sub anarchy but a strong military on paper to make the rashtra look good.

DOnt believe me? just wait until you see a few more anti-muslim genocides in the next few years and the total breakdown of Indias economy.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam


I'm actually curious if the BJP lot consider Bangladesh as part of Akhand Bharat or not? Has anyone of any consequence ever said anything to that effect?

@jamahir @SuvarnaTeja

 

[arjunk]

They ceded teritorry to Pakistan after EVERY WAR INCLUDING 1971. And they fantasize about expansion lol.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

BEFORE THE BRITISH ARRIVED
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Read this -

Tīmūr was driven out in 1758 by a force of Sikhs, Mughals, and Marathas, but in 1759–61 Aḥmad Shah swept the Marathas from the Punjab and destroyed their large army at Panipat, north of Delhi, in the third Battle of Panipat (January 14, 1761).

You guys did not even get a chance to street shit. Before 12 months were out you got routed and at Third Panipat you got a lesson to not mess with men. After that you tok refuge under your womans Saree's.

And try to use semi-impartial sources rather then Gangupedia with it's 'contributions' by head wobblers.

 

[suyog chavan]

Bit of a tool I see. Let's do this bit by bit.

Mughals first.
"Mughal-Maratha Wars

Map of the Maratha Dominions towards the end of Shivaji's reign.
Date 1680 – May 1707[citation needed]
Location
Present-day states of Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Karnataka, Gujarat, and Tamil Nadu.
Result Maratha victory. Mughals failed to completely annex Maratha state.[1][2]"

Note that last sentence. Failure of complete annexation of maratha empire equates to a "maratha victory" as per Wikipedia chroniclers. I mean this is a friggin embarrassment. But not surprising, considering the spiritual successor of the maratha Reich (the RSS/BJP) regard a partial capitulation to China and loss of only some land as a "heroic victory for India" also.

Let's summarise some more for your little cutty pasty brain:

"By 1757, the Maratha Empire had reached Delhi.

The Mughal empire was split in regional kingdoms, with the Nizam of Hyderabad, Nawab of Oudh and Nawab of Bengal quick to assert the independence of their lands.[10]"

So, the marathas didn't capture any powerful chiefdoms, but rather struck deals to overcome a weakened and interfighting post-Aurangzeb mughalistan. Your map is an outright lie. When the nizams split away from Delhi, they became independent city states, not some militarily defeated entity owned by marathas.

I'll address your dramas with afghans, British and mysore next.

LOL,
seems like a kid dictating his term for history to be like this like that,
Comparing mere words with the actual on ground conditions is totally imbecile,
but but but, where is ghazwa e hind,
With BJP in power Ghazwa e hind deems day by day.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

@suyog chavan

Considering your reductionism over non-hindu elements of the Maratha army, please consider the composition of Maratha forces at Panipat. From an Indian military chronicler:

"On April 14, 1760, Sadashivrao Bhau left Poona on his way to Delhi with the bulk of the Huzurat or the Peshwa's army.

The fighting strength of the army was around 50,000.

Nearly three times that number also accompanied as followers.

Most of the experienced soldiers like Mehendale, Shamsher Bahadur, Winchurkar, Pawar, Gaikwar of Baroda and Mankeshwar went with this force.

A major addition was the French-trained infantry of Ibrahim Khan Gardi that had a strength of 8,000 men armed with the latest French-made rifles.

Gardi had an artillery park of 200 excellent guns and also war rockets.

Many Goans, Portuguese and some Western mercenaries manned the artillery.

In May and June on reaching Agra, Malharao Holkar and Jankoji Shinde joined the Maratha army with their cavalry.

By the time the Marathas reached Delhi the strength of their army had swelled to nearly 2 lakhs."

The battle outcome itself:

"A fearful slaughter took place and the Marathas were completely routed.

The Afghan casualties were also very heavy and soon after the battle Abdali quickly left for Afghanistan.

On his way, his army suffered heavily due to the attacks by Sikhs.

In the battle of Govindwal, the Sikhs rescued many Maratha prisoners who were being carried off to Afghanistan as slaves.

Many widows never came back and instead married Sikh soldiers.

Many Marathas, instead of coming back to Maharashtra, went to the hills in the north and settled there.

In all, the Maratha losses were put at 22 generals and nearly 100,000 soldiers.

The estimated population of Maharashtra at that time was around 8 million and it was indeed a heavy blow.

The flower of youth of one whole generation perished at Panipat.

There was scarcely a home in Maharashtra that did not lose at least one member of its family at Panipat."


Again, what exactly did the marathas achieve here? Sikhs inflicted damage to afghans while they returned to Afghanistan after routing the marathas.

Did Afghans really want to fight a whole bunch of nawabs and nizams for another century? No. They decided to take their winnings and check out. There was no single enemy controlling Hindustan for the Afghanis to round on, hence the battles would have been complex thereafter, hence a strategic decision to return to Afg, despite routing the Maratha army, 100,000 killed out of only 8million.....and you're posting love letters from the Afghanis as some evidence of another great partial pseudo-victory for marathas??

You're hilariously delusional. Panipat was a slaughter, from which the demise of marathas was only a matter of time. You lost your entire fighting class. The Afghanis only turned back because of above described complexities of pressing into a heavily factionalised post-Mughal subcontinent, not because of some military deficiency against hindus.

I'll do the British and mysoreans lastly..

 

[KaiserX]

LOL,
seems like a kid dictating his term for history to be like this like that,
Comparing mere words with the actual on ground conditions is totally imbecile,
but but but, where is ghazwa e hind,
With BJP in power Ghazwa e hind deems day by day.

BJP/RSS are the best thing to happen to Pakistan. During peacetime they destroy India from the inside while dreaming of Karachi being part of India. During wartime they are the first to compromise and sip their cup of tea

I pray for 10 year of Modi

@suyog chavan

Considering your reductionism over non-hindu elements of the Maratha army, please consider the composition of Maratha forces at Panipat. From an Indian military chronicler:

"On April 14, 1760, Sadashivrao Bhau left Poona on his way to Delhi with the bulk of the Huzurat or the Peshwa's army.

The fighting strength of the army was around 50,000.

Nearly three times that number also accompanied as followers.

Most of the experienced soldiers like Mehendale, Shamsher Bahadur, Winchurkar, Pawar, Gaikwar of Baroda and Mankeshwar went with this force.

A major addition was the French-trained infantry of Ibrahim Khan Gardi that had a strength of 8,000 men armed with the latest French-made rifles.

Gardi had an artillery park of 200 excellent guns and also war rockets.

Many Goans, Portuguese and some Western mercenaries manned the artillery.

In May and June on reaching Agra, Malharao Holkar and Jankoji Shinde joined the Maratha army with their cavalry.

By the time the Marathas reached Delhi the strength of their army had swelled to nearly 2 lakhs."

The battle outcome itself:

"A fearful slaughter took place and the Marathas were completely routed.

The Afghan casualties were also very heavy and soon after the battle Abdali quickly left for Afghanistan.

On his way, his army suffered heavily due to the attacks by Sikhs.

In the battle of Govindwal, the Sikhs rescued many Maratha prisoners who were being carried off to Afghanistan as slaves.

Many widows never came back and instead married Sikh soldiers.

Many Marathas, instead of coming back to Maharashtra, went to the hills in the north and settled there.

In all, the Maratha losses were put at 22 generals and nearly 100,000 soldiers.

The estimated population of Maharashtra at that time was around 8 million and it was indeed a heavy blow.

The flower of youth of one whole generation perished at Panipat.

There was scarcely a home in Maharashtra that did not lose at least one member of its family at Panipat."


Again, what exactly did the marathas achieve here? Sikhs inflicted damage to afghans while they returned to Afghanistan after routing the marathas.

Did Afghans really want to fight a whole bunch of nawabs and nizams for another century? No. They decided to take their winnings and check out. There was no single enemy controlling Hindustan for the Afghanis to round on, hence the battles would have been complex thereafter, hence a strategic decision to return to Afg, despite routing the Maratha army, 100,000 killed out of only 8million.....and you're posting love letters from the Afghanis as some evidence of another great partial pseudo-victory for marathas??

You're hilariously delusional. Panipat was a slaughter, from which the demise of marathas was only a matter of time. You lost your entire fighting class. The Afghanis only turned back because of above described complexities of pressing into a heavily factionalised post-Mughal subcontinent, not because of some military deficiency against hindus.

I'll do the British and mysoreans lastly..

The afghanis never intended to conquer or hold HIndustan. Their intention and mission was always to raid, look, plunder and return to the Gardens of Kabul/Herat. Afghanis would rather die than want to live in Hindustan.