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Might be several targets in the area to hit. Pic might be showing single hit.
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Might be several targets in the area to hit. Pic might be showing single hit.
How does this pod compare with Damocles or Sniper pods?
It looks like these missed the target by a huge margin, mile or so i would say!
Doesn't look like guided munitions anyway!
I somehow think the yellow marker we are looking at is not the intended targetIt looks like these missed the target by a huge margin, mile or so i would say!
Doesn't look like guided munitions anyway!
Was it similar to F-16 or the new Gripen?A conceptual study was carried to design an aircraft indigenously with larger wings ( 32% more than reference area of JF17) with 9 hard points, with a payload of upto 5000 kgs but it was dropped in favour JF-17 so shorten the time of time development and also due to lack of will for initiating a totally indigenous airplane programme (practical and financial reasons)..but analysing retrospectively, I can see it would have been a true answer to PAF needs in medium to heavy category.
Evan a double-delta configuration was among multiple configurations made a scaled model testing. Though the program was shelved but still all the documents of its designs and analyses in preliminary design and development phase were archived applying the CM principles.
Most of configurations were like Grippen with some features similar to F-16. I still think that if economy gets better, insha-Allah, with CPEC and also if looted money is brought back, we can revive that project. A great team was working on it and many of them very experienced and highly qualified but I'm not sure if they are still there.
A conceptual study was carried out to design an aircraft indigenously with larger wings ( 32% more than reference area of JF17) with 9 hard points, with a payload of upto 5000 kgs but it was dropped in favour JF-17 so shorten the time of time development and also due to lack of will for initiating a totally indigenous airplane programme (practical and financial reasons)..but analysing retrospectively, I can see it would have been a true answer to PAF needs in medium to heavy category.
Evan a double-delta configuration was among multiple configurations made a scaled model testing. Though the program was shelved but still all the documents of its designs and analyses in preliminary design and development phase were archived applying the CM principles.
I somehow think the yellow marker we are looking at is not the intended target
The usually carry one 2000er on the center -line station. These are two bombs. Still, if you look at the size and use the fuel tank on the place as a reference marker, the surely look bigger then the 500 lb bombs that they carry under wings normally. Cant say with certainty but since these are two bombs, i will go with 500 lb as the size reference in a picture is dependent on a number of variables.Are those 2,000 lb things?
May be the actual mission was to destroy stuff in-between the two marked targets . Yea, he sure missed by like half a mile at the least.
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Then basically they were originally going to do what the japanese had done
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So---how do you know about that. Can you find any reference to it so that I can rub some noses in the dirt-----
Now we SHOULD do same with JF17. The basic structure/idea is there, we can build a somewhat new plane around that to address our 4/4.5 gen needs. Considering the generation thing may not be that clear a definition so to explain, we can/should a slightly bigger plane based on the JF17 Blk II/III. Power it with a new engine with more thrust as the plan is, increase the wing loading capacity to increase hard points to 9 or may be even 10 with the 10th under the cockpit for mission POD. Get upgraded avionics (not essentially western, we can benefit from lessons/experience the Chinese acquired developing a number of planes like J10B/C, J11B, J16 or even J31. Get IRST and FLIR along with retractable probe for IFR. A more powerful radar from J10B/C or even maybe from J31 project. If we are to go for J31 at some later stage (which it looks very likely) then maybe we can get our hands on to some of its systems for our, lets say, JF-18 or JF17 NG or whatever.Hi,
Then basically they were originally going to do what the japanese had done
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So---how do you know about that. Can you find any reference to it so that I can rub some noses in the dirt-----
As I have alluded much earlierand on amny occasions,one of the Ex ACM od PAF was on record as saying that the JFT was initially flown with 9 hardpoints. Later on the idea was dropped in favour of 7.Now we SHOULD do same with JF17. The basic structure/idea is there, we can build a somewhat new plane around that to address our 4/4.5 gen needs. Considering the generation thing may not be that clear a definition so to explain, we can/should a slightly bigger plane based on the JF17 Blk II/III. Power it with a new engine with more thrust as the plan is, increase the wing loading capacity to increase hard points to 9 or may be even 10 with the 10th under the cockpit for mission POD. Get upgraded avionics (not essentially western, we can benefit from lessons/experience the Chinese acquired developing a number of planes like J10B/C, J11B, J16 or even J31. Get IRST and FLIR along with retractable probe for IFR. A more powerful radar from J10B/C or even maybe from J31 project. If we are to go for J31 at some later stage (which it looks very likely) then maybe we can get our hands on to some of its systems for our, lets say, JF-18 or JF17 NG or whatever.
This is all speculation, wish full thinking and cannot be backed by any source as I am not claiming all this as FACTS. Still I do think that this is be a great approach and will address our medium combat aircraft needs for years to come.
thunder was 50-50% project and the block was completely produced on loans agreement with Chinese govt.A conceptual study was carried out to design an aircraft indigenously with larger wings ( 32% more than reference area of JF17) with 9 hard points, with a payload of upto 5000 kgs but it was dropped in favour JF-17 to shorten the time of development and also due to lack of will for initiating a totally indigenous airplane programme (practical and financial reasons)..but analysing retrospectively, I can see it would have been a true answer to PAF needs in medium to heavy category.
Even a double-delta configuration was among multiple configurations made a scaled model testing. Though the program was shelved but still all the documents of its designs and analyses in preliminary design and development phase were archived applying the CM principles.
Sir i have always been of the same view and have not said much different. I hope you have in mind the discussion about this topic and gone through the posts i make about the fan boy dreams related to JFT.As I have alluded much earlierand on amny occasions,one of the Ex ACM od PAF was on record as saying that the JFT was initially flown with 9 hardpoints. Later on the idea was dropped in favour of 7.
A chin mounted hardpoint has been on the cards and will be onhoard soon for a DESIGNATED POD. Now if posters here want PAF to spend 200-500 million dollars spoiling that which works then may Allah have mercy on you and JFT. As to the possibility of including two more wing hardpoints it still exists. Even easier is the possibilit of a dual ejection rack with 2 Sd10s each, which can achieve the same end which posters are trying to achieve.Also today we have heard of the possibility of JFT having CFTs. Well life does get a little bit more interesting. So people do you really want to **** with that which is working well and is being added to incrementally? Come on guys engage brains.
The possibilities here are endless but the problem is deciding the utility and the cost benefit ratio. So if you guys have a lot of time to kill feel free to do so I am outa here
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