JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[Incog_nito]

none will...

Mark My Words. It's a big Dream!!!

 

[Cool_Soldier]

We can expect such big deal of license production after Block-3 developments and induction.

 

[MastanKhan]

When will Turkey, Egypt, and may be some other Muslim country going to take license production for JF-17s?

Hi,

It could have happened if the Paf had not Fckd up initially---by not producing the 2 seater and the French falling off the band wagon for the EW suite---.

So---these two packages are 10 and 8 years behind the clock---that has given some of the perspective buyers to think of other options---.

Incompetence---ignorance---arrogance---have created hurdles in the timely growth of this aircraft---.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Hi,

It could have happened if the Paf had not Fckd up initially---by not producing the 2 seater and the French falling off the band wagon for the EW suite---.

So---these two packages are 10 and 8 years behind the clock---that has given some of the perspective buyers to think of other options---.

Incompetence---ignorance---arrogance---have created hurdles in the timely growth of this aircraft---.

There is an European Union Ban on selling weapons technology to China

And anything High tech that is installed in JF 17 can land in Chinese hands

That was the main reason for the French EW Deal not moving forward

 

[Readerdefence]

There is an European Union Ban on selling weapons technology to China

And anything High tech that is installed in JF 17 can land in Chinese hands

That was the main reason for the French EW Deal not moving forward

Hi if you are ready to sponsor the deal of EW from France
I'm positive we will get asap without EU ban or any other
Because Europeans are not supplying anything to China
And I mean if you/ any of the Arab nations even

 

[araz]

There is an European Union Ban on selling weapons technology to China

And anything High tech that is installed in JF 17 can land in Chinese hands

That was the main reason for the French EW Deal not moving forward

This is totally baseless. It is just an excuse and the french have been dealing with the Chinese behind the scene. The tech of RD400 was not space age that the French would have wanted the Chinese to have restricted access to it. It was the Rafale deal which scuppered the whole apple cart for the french-Pak deal. I dont think it mad3 much of a difference as the Chinese have caught up with ny deficiencies that they may have had and have moved forward. The PAF is also moving on and things are looking good. Idont think it would have been a decision without any complications in any case.
A

 

[Stephen Cohen]

This is totally baseless. It is just an excuse and the french have been dealing with the Chinese behind the scene. The tech of RD400 was not space age that the French would have wanted the Chinese to have restricted access to it. It was the Rafale deal which scuppered the whole apple cart for the french-Pak deal. I dont think it mad3 much of a difference as the Chinese have caught up with ny deficiencies that they may have had and have moved forward. The PAF is also moving on and things are looking good. Idont think it would have been a decision without any complications in any case.

However the EU embargo does exist

And it is not voluntary ; it is under US Threat and compulsion

China can Buy Typhoons and Rafales very easily

But they had to settle for SU 35 ; ( not that it is bad )

 

[Dazzler]

However the EU embargo does exist

And it is not voluntary ; it is under US Threat and compulsion

China can Buy Typhoons and Rafales very easily

But they had to settle for SU 35 ; ( not that it is bad )

That's a load of nonsense and you seem to have no idea what you are saying. First, the thunder does have a European ew suite. The Italians have no reservations about Chinese involvement, heck they even sold the grifo s radar with a license.

Next time, think before posting gibberish.

 

[Basel]

''Minhasian'' on ADA.

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No BVR on bird? Why?

However the EU embargo does exist

And it is not voluntary ; it is under US Threat and compulsion

China can Buy Typhoons and Rafales very easily

But they had to settle for SU 35 ; ( not that it is bad )

Its not about off the shelf systems from EU, but subsystems and their ToT which worried US more, because it will allow China to advance their weapons tech.

 

[The Accountant]

Hyy guyys do anyone knows whats the additional benefits ws13e is going to offer over rd93 .??? Furthermore do we have anyy decision on powerplant of blk 3

 

[araz]

However the EU embargo does exist

And it is not voluntary ; it is under US Threat and compulsion

China can Buy Typhoons and Rafales very easily

But they had to settle for SU 35 ; ( not that it is bad )

I dont know where to start with your response. If an embargo is being flouted left and right then how effective is it. China has many ways of dealiing with the EU. SO YES THE EMBARGO IS THERE, but it is useless.

Hyy guyys do anyone knows whats the additional benefits ws13e is going to offer over rd93 .??? Furthermore do we have anyy decision on powerplant of blk 3

Pros. More powere longer MTOW, FADEC, free of sanctions and possibility of limited TOT and local build.
Cons reliability and immaturity and buyers confidence. Also if the RD93MA comes on line it may negate most of the dvantages of theWS13 as the former has pedigree behind it. However the Russian supply chain was and remains a nightmare and unless it is improved drstically PAF may yet look towards WS series. It is all about perceptions which is why it is so difficult to break into neash markets like aeronautics especially engines not that China is new to it.
A

 

[wasileo80]

Sir, we also seldom see the F-16s equipped with AMRAAMS, the capability is there so when required it will be deployed.

But Sir, for ADA, BVR will be a compulsory weapon for defense. The only known adversary is at our east and if they will plan anything they will definitely come with BVR fighters.... so how can an aircraft on ADA is without BVR missiles (aka without standard configuration which is two BVRs under wings and two Short range AAMs on wing tip). Its disappointed me too as it raised so many questions about the capability of carrying the weapons by the aircraft.

 

[CriticalThought]

I absolutely hate it when people get online and slag off PAF and sow dejection and hopelessness. Let's recap some recent news:

1. PAF budget raised by 1.5 billion dollars.
2. PAF showed interest in joining with private firms in the area of gas turbines.

Almost everyone is agreed that Block III production will start circa 2018-19. Sit back and think about that. If a working prototype for Block 3 has never flown off the ground to date, would it be realistically possible to achieve a target date of 2018-19? More than likely, the various different options that have been discussed on the forum have actually been tested in a working prototype, and now basically the various suppliers need to be lined up and start supplying. A period of 1.5 - 2 years is reasonable given we are looking at 50 fighters and the technologies involved are cutting edge. At this point what would slow down PAF is NOT its own tardiness, but one or more suppliers unable to keep up with demand.

In my opinion, what Pakistan armed forces as a whole need to invest in is:

1. An indigenous electronics industry. From design, to fabrication, we need the ability to locally design and produce cutting edge electronics from radars to guidance systems to electro-optical systems.

2. Missiles with mid-flight course correction. This would be the basis of indigenously produced WVRAAM, BVRs, SAMs, and hopefully one day BMD. Basically, we need to take our achievements in ballistic missile technology and take them to the next level.

 

[araz]

I absolutely hate it when people get online and slag off PAF and sow dejection and hopelessness. Let's recap some recent news:

1. PAF budget raised by 1.5 billion dollars.
2. PAF showed interest in joining with private firms in the area of gas turbines.

Almost everyone is agreed that Block III production will start circa 2018-19. Sit back and think about that. If a working prototype for Block 3 has never flown off the ground to date, would it be realistically possible to achieve a target date of 2018-19? More than likely, the various different options that have been discussed on the forum have actually been tested in a working prototype, and now basically the various suppliers need to be lined up and start supplying. A period of 1.5 - 2 years is reasonable given we are looking at 50 fighters and the technologies involved are cutting edge. At this point what would slow down PAF is NOT its own tardiness, but one or more suppliers unable to keep up with demand.

In my opinion, what Pakistan armed forces as a whole need to invest in is:

1. An indigenous electronics industry. From design, to fabrication, we need the ability to locally design and produce cutting edge electronics from radars to guidance systems to electro-optical systems.

2. Missiles with mid-flight course correction. This would be the basis of indigenously produced WVRAAM, BVRs, SAMs, and hopefully one day BMD. Basically, we need to take our achievements in ballistic missile technology and take them to the next level.

RE.point 1 the facilities are there and a lot of electrical components are being made/ assembled in house. Due to lck of funding it is not possible to invest billions to reinvent the wheel. The risks in such a venture are high and the gains limited. Probably the most logi al way of doing things is to venture into dualuse technologies which sell in numbers thereby slowly building infrastructure for the final launch.
Point 2 is in a way related to point 1 as it deals with electronics. Again on the principles of cost vs benefits having a benevolent and friendly neighbour is helpful as sooner or laterwe will want to go down that route. The more important thing in which initil steps have been taken is turbine technology as joint ventures. This will translate into small motors for missiles to bigger engines in due course. However as mentioned before a cost vs benefit exercise will drive the direction which a nation lime Pakistan takes.
A

 

[Basel]

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