JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[MastanKhan]

Off topic admin please intervien

Hi,

You posted the life span of a russian BVR missile on another thread---why don't you post ot over here----so that the posters can read it and determine why BVR missiles are not loaded up on aircraft all the time.

Thank you.

 

[HRK]

If i remember correctly the captive life of earlier version of SD-10 was something +100 hours, later version have improvements but even than these have comparatively much less life than their western counterparts ... I think @Dazzler posted about this issue of SD-10 in one of the JF-17 thread previously

other than this MTBF is also another factor which some time people ignore, following is the attachment from a document related to the performance of AIM-120 from official source posted earlier

thing to note the required standard was just 120 hours

 

[MastanKhan]

If i remember correctly the captive life of earlier version of SD-10 was something +100 hours, later version have improvements but even than have comparatively much less life in than their western counterparts ... I think @Dazzler posted about this issue of SD-10 in one of the JF-17 thread previously

other than this MTBF is also another factor which some time people ignore, following is the attachment from a document related to the performance of AIM-120 from official source posted earlier

think to note the required standard was just 120 hours

Hi,

Thank you for the post---. Sometimes we don't realize the extremes in weather conditions that a missile has to face when mounted on the wings---.

They are kept in air conditioned storage---pulled out and then face the outside temperature---.

When in flight---they face extremely cold temperatures---50 + degrees below freezing---within minutes of flight---ie---going from 15 deg C in storage to maybe 45* C outside----to - 50* C or less at 35000 ft within 15 to 30 minutes time frame and then from 35000 ft elevation down to the ground level within minutes---.

All the sensitive innards of the missiles go thru these weather changes----remember---with sudden change in temp---the missile innards are exposed to condensation of moisture---the rubber seals expand and contract with changes in temperature and this is just the physical aspect.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi

" books are like lighthouses erected in the great sea of time "

it is a work of fiction----the writer is talking about war---missile launches etc etc etc---and then he brings up his two bits---says---' missiles are stored in containers for years and years---even though they are serviced---but still they spend a lots of time in the storage copntainer----and specially on a ship---the missile container is exposed to natural elements---.

The missile that is going to be launched is expected to launch every time the button is pushed and is expected to perform its job 100%---so in that case knowing that the missile casing can have micro fractures or leaking seals after being in storage for long and all the environmental exposure---whose missile would you want to own---the american or the chinese---?

Whou would you bet your life on?

 

[HRK]

Who would you bet your life on?

the one which will be available & could get replenish easily without any 'political drama' ....

 

[razgriz19]

I guess you are also the victim of Indian media and fanboys.
Just as well i posted the following thread today, it gives you the real story which PAF seldom discloses as it doesn't waste time with claims and counter claims thus just gets on with it's job professionally.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fiction-of-fulcrum-buzzing-falcon.480871/

Yeah i was wrong on that part. I just did my own research as well

 

[WarFariX]

Hi,

Thank you for the post---. Sometimes we don't realize the extremes in weather conditions that a missile has to face when mounted on the wings---.

They are kept in air conditioned storage---pulled out and then face the outside temperature---.

When in flight---they face extremely cold temperatures---50 + degrees below freezing---within minutes of flight---ie---going from 15 deg C in storage to maybe 45* C outside----to - 50* C or less at 35000 ft within 15 to 30 minutes time frame and then from 35000 ft elevation down to the ground level within minutes---.

All the sensitive innards of the missiles go thru these weather changes----remember---with sudden change in temp---the missile innards are exposed to condensation of moisture---the rubber seals expand and contract with changes in temperature and this is just the physical aspect.

how did you get sooooo much knowledge sir... :-O

 

[MastanKhan]

how did you get sooooo much knowledge sir... :-O

Hi,

How would I know---I thought that was general knowledge common sense information available to everyone------is that right @Khafee.

Why do you think I bang by head against the wall on some of the comments by posters.

 

[MastanKhan]

how did you get sooooo much knowledge sir... :-O

Hi,

I " blame " my father for the books that he bought for me at the time of my birth---so that as I would grow up---I would develop the habit to read.

 

[WarFariX]

Hi,

How would I know---I thought that was general knowledge common sense information available to everyone------is that right @Khafee.

Why do you think I bang by head against the wall on some of the comments by posters.

would you suggest me good books for air tactics and strategies and whatever books r ur favourite plz

 

[MastanKhan]

would you suggest me good books for air tactics and strategies and whatever books r ur favourite plz

Hi,

I am an ' addict ' to reading---so the writer does not mean much to me---as a matter of fact---I don't even remember the names of hardly any.

I pickup a book---look at the cover---title---read the intro---the first page and if it is to my liking---I get it.

 

[Bratva]

I was doing little calculation on JF-17 distribution among squadrons. We have 4 active squadron + CCS mini squadron. 16-18 X 4 + 6 (CCS) = 72-78 JF-17 active in proper squadrons which leaves 5-10 excess JF-17 flying with 26 Squadron.

 

[Windjammer]

Preparing for a night time armed sortie.

sor

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Just love this bird

 

[nomi007]