JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5]

[RAMPAGE]

A 4 mint report on FC-1/JF-17 in chinese

Do you really expect us to understand this "chum chua chi chui shu sha" ????

No offence to our dear chinese friends !!!!

 

[Bratva]

Do you really expect us to understand this "chum chua chi chui shu sha" ????

No offence to our dear chinese friends !!!!

I watched whole clip in silent mode. Good things comes in b/w the video

 

[fatman17]

Thursday, November 14, 2013

Air chief visits PAC Kamra, hails JF-17 co-production


ISLAMABAD: Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafique Butt visited the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Kamra, on Wednesday and appreciated the production capability of the JF-17 co-production project.

The air chief was given a briefing on the working of the PAC Board and its factories.

He visited various facilities of the complex and lauded the valuable contributions of the PAC towards the aerial defence of the country by providing prompt support for various weapon systems to the PAF.

He especially appreciated the production capability of the JF-17 co-production project.

The air chief appreciated the milestones achieved by the PAC, Kamra, and underscored their significance in strengthening the operational readiness of the PAF.

He reiterated all-out support for aviation-related activities.

Earlier, on his arrival, he was received by PAC Board Kamra Chairman Air Marshal Sohail Gul Khan who introduced the members of the PAC board and managing directors to the air chief. app

 

[Chak Bamu]

As per internet FA-50 uses Israeli EL/M-2032 airborne radar, as per wiki it is same radar used in Tajes and Mig-21 upgrades. Where you put this plane in terms of avionics?

EL/M-2032 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As per wiki this is what FA-50 is capable of:



KAI T-50 Golden Eagle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This make it quite capable aircraft that why I asked to compare JF-17 with it, and what we can get from S. Korea.

We are committed to JF-17 and it is pointless to waste time on wondering about which similar aircraft PAF could get from any where else.

 

[sancho]

You are referring to the T/A-50.. the F/A-50 actually has fairly respectable payload capability.

No, I am talking about that these advanced trainers offer less flight performance, don't offer much more than basic A2A or CAS weapon package (light attack role), most likely offer less radar or avionic performance than real light class fighters like the JF 17, Gripen C/D... . The F/A-50 btw has only the GE 404 engine, not the 414 and as I said, there are other similar trainers with attack capability, that also are not equal to light class fighters.
So compared to a JF 17, the F/A50 will not only offer higher cost, but also lower performance as a fighter.

 

[Luftwaffe]

KAI FA-50 is in development, I have not read from any credible sources that it has isreali EL/M2032 Radar, however you people should know israel rejected T-50/FA-50 in favor of Italian Trainers M-340 thus angering S. Korea Defence firm, so I believe KAI would never use isreali radar onboard FA-50 atleast.

I can confirm the EL/M 2032 is edited and added, indeed T-50/FA-50 would be using US Radar LM is Partnered highly unlikely for any isreali input into FA-50.

Back to JF-17 Topic take all off-topics to new Threads.

 

[Basel]

We are committed to JF-17 and it is pointless to waste time on wondering about which similar aircraft PAF could get from any where else.

To improve JF-17s we must look all sides where we can get tech from, that is why put question about FA-50 of S. Korea, further if our relations are good with them specially in defense than we must work with them in evolving and upgrading JF-17s and our F-22Ps because they are working to built 5th gen and west will help them which will be beneficial for Pakistan also they are advancing in advance ship building too. 

The radar is quite potent and is better than the KLJ-7 in A2G modes.. However.. some samples of the ALQ-200 ECm system found its way to Pakistan from SK which caused the Americans to have a fit. As far as weapons are concerned the JF-17 has a comparable weapons fit that matches the capabilities of the ones listed for the F/A-50.

Thank you for response the FA-50 is light fighter aircraft and our JF-17 is also a light fighter aircraft therefore Pakistan should study this plane, because it is a blended design and LM have helped them and FA-50 will be updated to 4.5 gen standard, further by doing JV with South Korea we may be able to get access to advance tech specially opportunity to work with them in their 5th gen plane.

 

[Luftwaffe]

To improve JF-17s we must look all sides where we can get tech from, that is why put question about FA-50 of S. Korea, further if our relations are good with them specially in defense than we must work with them in evolving and upgrading JF-17s and our F-22Ps because they are working to built 5th gen and west will help them which will be beneficial for Pakistan also they are advancing in advance ship building too.

What input would you ask from S. Korea for JF-17 when the whole Aircraft is spinoff F-16 in assistance with Lockheed Martin with 80% US components. What is FA-50, it is essentially an armed version of T-50 that can carry verity A2A/A2G weapons. Have you even compared specs on both Aircraft.

 

[araz]

Would not it be better to absorb Chinese tech first that we haven't even touched yet before asking others, Tech comes from the same source it is the type of components and quality that matter and depends on human mind to improve it thus even Chinese tech could be improved greatly and efficiently the only thing lacking is Funds. Lastly so far F-16s, F-15s, T-50 are all from same source US I have yet to witness S. Koreans indigenous technologies making their way to an Advance Aircraft or the current inventory, KF-X is a long shot it might get cancelled in favor of F-35 that's the way it is or else US is heavy influenced upon them all spares or modernization of future F-16s, F-15s or even T-50/FA-50 could be suspended, that's why never put your eggs in same basket S. Koreans did, I am skeptical of KAI KF-X, it may never materialize or again US might assist them.

A very sensible approach. Too many forays in too many different directions may not only confuse things.When you blend technology together you get teething troubles which in their own rights ar e difficult, expensive and time consuming factor to resolve.The whole philiosophy of getting the JFT has been lost to some of us in the process of trying to make what works for us now better(the enemy of good is Better). All technologies incorporated from any source will require testing before integration. This will result in more delays which we cannot afford and also which will make the plane more expensive which is another plus point of having an indegenous platform gone astray. Technology from the chinese is coming at a pace where we can absorb it. Please also remember that at the moment no one is spending more on research than the Chinese(the US being a probable exception) Any quicker and we will be in trouble from a management perspective.
Araz

 

You may be right, but China is behind in tech due to embargoes from west, therefore Pakistan must not put its eggs in one basket too. Depending too much on China is not good thing, and S. Korea is way advance in many areas but due to their reasons they don't use their tech for defense purpose same like Japan. Some of which you mentioned too.

There are many ways of acquiring technology even in case of embargoes. The sheer amount of money being spent on research by the chinese is unparalleled (with the exception of the US probably). Secondly, We do have some utility to the chinese and that is why they provide tech to us and we have people working with them. So things are not as bleek as they seem.

As to the UAE and KSA, they are entirely controlled by the western powers and you might as well forget acquiring anything from them.
Araz

 

[Donatello]

Are you guys drunk or what? Why are you discussing T-50 in JF-17 thread?

 

[MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n]

Then similar logic should apply on politicians and democratic governments in Pak as well, nai?

no , seriously no ...

Because you have got zardaris and sharifs as politicians in this so-called democratic govt. who are corrupt and characterless waderaas , sardaars , nambardaars , zameendaars doing every severe sins i.e. these bastards are sharaabi , zaani , daaku , chorr , hadd-haraam , haraam-khor , ghaddar-a-watan & mulk-torr haraam-zaaday ...

So Therefore , a vast difference of ground & sky is in between "these so-called democratic leaders of the political parties" and PakisTan 's Pak.army,P.a.F. & Pak.NaVy who SaCrifice each and everything every second of their life just for the betterment & the defence of PakisTan & PakisTani nation only ...

 

[Basel]

Are you guys drunk or what? Why are you discussing T-50 in JF-17 thread?

FA-50 was discussed as it is similar to JF-17s, because it is made by S. Korea which in many projects working with Pakistan and therfore we may be able to get tech to modernize JF-17s.

 

[khanasifm]

turkey and pak bunker buster deal prob for jf-17 plus mirage

produce By tic

 

[Gryphon]

Via: Alan Warnes

 

[Gryphon]

DUBAI 2013: Pakistan JF-17s in Attendance Once Again

November 16th, 2013

Pakistan Air Force JF-17 Thunders 12-138 and 12-142 from 16 Squadron ‘Black Panthers’ on the flightline at the Dubai Air Show this afternoon. Both undertook a practice display today prior to the official opening of the show tomorrow. AFD-Alan Warnes

UNDERTAKING A practice display today at the Dubai Air Show were two Pakistan Air Force (PAF) JF-17 Thunders from 16 Squadron ‘Black Panthers’, as the type makes a welcome return visit to the show, which officially opens tomorrow. A third example is also on static display.

The PAF initially re-equipped 26 Squadron ‘The Thunder Spiders’ as the first JF-17 unit, working up at PAF Base Kamra-Minhas, but the unit has now returned to its previous home at PAF Base Peshawar. A second JF-17 unit, 16 Squadron ‘Black Panthers’, has also now worked up at Minhas, where it remains based at present, but should eventually return to Peshawar. Both had previously been equipped with the Nanchang A-5C.

A third unit was scheduled to re-equip with JF-17s in 2012, but this has been delayed. It is expected to be 14 Squadron ‘Shaheens’/'Tail Choppers’ at Minhas, which currently flies the F-7P Airguard.

Meanwhile, Pakistan is reportedly looking to begin exporting the JF-17 from next year. Recent reports have suggested that Kuwait, Qatar and Sri Lanka, amongst other countries, are being targeted as potential customers.
AFD-Dave Allport

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