JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5]

[SQ8]

A total of 50+1 Blk 1 production kits (exc. 8 SBP and 2 produced in China) were delivered as of 31 December 2012. Around 45 of the 51 have been produced.

ently in PAF service. Both Blk 1 squadrons [No. 26 (MR & OCU) based at Peshawar and No. 16 (MR) based at Kamra-Minhas] have 20 aircraft each. A flight test unit (of the third squadron) is also operational with 5 aircraft.

No. 14 Squadron "Tail Choppers" (based at PAFB Kamra-Minhas) currently flying the F-7P will be the third JF-17 Blk 1 squadron. It is expected to be raised by February 2014 and will have an initial strength of around 8-10 aircraft.

A total of 50+1 Blk 1 production kits (exc. 8 SBP and 2 produced in China) were delivered as of 31 December 2012. Around 45 of the 51 have been produced.

45 (inc. 8 SBP and 2 produced in China) are currently in PAF service. Both Blk 1 squadrons [No. 26 (MR & OCU) based at Peshawar and No. 16 (MR) based at Kamra-Minhas] have 20 aircraft each. A flight test unit (of the third squadron) is also operational with 5 aircraft.

Once the third squadron is raised, No. 16 Panthers will be re-equipped and relocated to PAFB Peshawar. The 8 SBP aircraft currently in service with the Panthers will be transferred to the third JF-17 squadron.

Block 2: Blk 2 production hasn't started yet. Five squadrons (with 18 each) are planned. These 90 aircraft are part of the 150 order.

Do include a reference list when making such posts. It will help later in the wiki project and assists other members with doubts.

 

[TaimiKhan]

not sure about the container weight. It won't matter anyways since the weight of 800L fuel will around 630 Kg. So weight of tank + fuel should still be around 800 kg. 

The source is famous for releasing photoshopped pics. Anyways, I believe taimi khan's pic. It seems convincing enough.

The same source is famous for providing us some very high quality / previously unseen photos of the same bird and some other PAF aircrafts also.

Plus the picture i provided is from the High mark exercises and the same picture was used by Alan Warnes in one of his articles about PAF.

 

[nomi007]

 

[Introvert]

So, how many JF-17's do we have in total, & when are we receiving the J-10's.

 

[Basel]

Is there any plan to upgrade block-1 planes and can they fire BVR - AMRAAM (any) missiles?

 

[fatman17]

Dubai Air Show - 2013 Update


Three Pakistan Air Force JF-17s are expected at Dubai Air Show. The Sino-Pak project is suffering from delays, with none of the Block 2 aircraft yet delivered and only two squadrons with 40 aircraft, now operational. DAS13 should give us a chance to get an update on the programme.
JF-17 to star again
THE PAKISTAN Air Force has curbed its JF-17 displays recently, after opting not to go to Paris in June or Farnborough last year. However it will be at Dubai in a bid to kick start another sales drive. Three aircraft are expected – two for display (one as back up) and the other for static display. All 42 of the Block 1 aircraft have now been built at PAC Kamra, but due to what the current PAF Chief, ACM Tahir Rafiqui Butt told me in April 2013 as an ‘administration hold up’ Block 2 JF-17s have not yet left the production line. These newer aircraft are expected to have South African designed air-to-air refueling probes, enhancements to the Chinese KLJ-7 radar, enhanced datalink and smarter avionics. There are aspirations to replace the thirsty Russian built Klimov RD-93 with a newer Chinese engine, possibly Taihang and will give us a chance to see where the programme is now.
There are still only two squadrons, 16 ‘Black Panthers’ Squadron at Kamra-Minhas which acts an Operational Conversion Unit and 26 ‘Black Spiders’ Squadron at Peshawar. Although a third ex-F-7P unit, probably 14 ‘Tail Choppers’ Squadron, is expected to be the next to convert.
There has been speculation in Pakistan’s local media that Sri Lanka has ordered the Thunder, but its likely to be untrue just as reports of the jet being sold to Azerbiajan in the past never materialized. At the Dubai Airshow in 2011, the Egyptian Air Force CAS, Major General Abdul Aziz was seen looking around the cockpit and told me: “We are very interested and have sent to a pilot to Chengdu in China to train on the simulator.” It isn’t clear how prospect suitors are viewing the prospect of there being no two-seat aircraft available, and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex appears to be in no rush in developing one with Chengdu.

AFD - Alan Warnes

 

[fatman17]

Tuesday, November 12, 2013

JF-17 Thunder jets depart for Dubai Air Show

ISLAMABAD: A three ship formation of JF-17 Thunder jets departed for Dubai Air Show from an Operational PAF Air Base on Monday.

A modest contingent of Pakistan Air Force, comprising pilots and technicians, will be participating in the static as well as aerobatic segment of Dubai Air Show to be held from November 17 to 21.

Pakistan’s indigenously produced Super Mashshak, primary trainer aircraft, will also be participating in the air show.

The JF-17 Thunder aircraft for PAF are being co-produced at PAC Kamra. At present 2 squadrons of these aircraft are operational in PAF. pr

 

[nomi007]

Jf-17 Thunder Leaves to Roars at Dubai Air Show 2013

Jf-17 Thunder Leaves to Roars at Dubai Air Show 2013-latest images

why still fc-1 lack refueling prob that ism pathetic

 

[shazlion]

Few questions regarding usage of composite in JF-17. I have read that Raptor has 35% carbon composite while 38% Titanium alloy (by weight).
In any older plane the decision to increase composite material ratio is taken by considering the cost-benefit analysis. If by increasing Carbon composite the TWR, operational life, Radar signature factors are significantly improve, only then Carbon composites are added. Is there any study in this regard has been carried out or being under study right now?
How much Chinese have mastered the technology of carbon composites and its modeling/tooling?
And Which portion of JF-17 is Titanium alloy?

 

[Imran Khan]

Do include a reference list when making such posts. It will help later in the wiki project and assists other members with doubts.

man its sucks first 150 must not be delayed at any cost . we need them badly 50 are not enough at all

 

[TaimiKhan]

Ok guys, since it was the last dubai airshow when the JF-17 crash occurred and we lost a very fine pilot Sq Ldr Muhammad Hussain in it.

Today will just clear some of the mystery about the crash. There was no bird hit or some technical failure with the engine. The crash occurred due to human tecnical error on part of PAF, who had installed some sensors on the specific JF-17 to get data which would be later used in the making of a simulator. A simulator which was being made with the help of some western country, even though a Chinese simulator was there. The specific aircraft had cleared its flight at 20,000ft, then at 15,000ft, 10,000ft and it was when it was on its last leg of journey at 5,000ft, things went bad and a structural anomaly occurred due to the positioning of the sensors at some place in the or on the wing, as the aircraft on each altitude was taken to its maximum performance parameters to get accurate data for the simulator software. Due to the wrong positioning of the sensors and high G forces applied at different altitudes, by the time the JF-17 came to its last stage to perform at 5,000ft, most probably one side of the wing developed structural fault and broke off, the aircraft got into a spin and crashed. I will divulge just this for now, but this action brought PAF in quiet some difficulty.

 

[shazlion]

Ok guys, since it was the last dubai airshow when the JF-17 crash occurred and we lost a very fine pilot Sq Ldr Muhammad Hussain in it.

Today will just clear some of the mystery about the crash. There was no bird hit or some technical failure with the engine. The crash occurred due to human tecnical error on part of PAF, who had installed some sensors on the specific JF-17 to get data which would be later used in the making of a simulator. A simulator which was being made with the help of some western country, even though a Chinese simulator was there. The specific aircraft had cleared its flight at 20,000ft, then at 15,000ft, 10,000ft and it was when it was on its last leg of journey at 5,000ft, things went bad and a structural anomaly occurred due to the positioning of the sensors at some place in the or on the wing, as the aircraft on each altitude was taken to its maximum performance parameters to get accurate data for the simulator software. Due to the wrong positioning of the sensors and high G forces applied at different altitudes, by the time the JF-17 came to its last stage to perform at 5,000ft, most probably one side of the wing developed structural fault and broke off, the aircraft got into a spin and crashed. I will divulge just this for now, but this action brought PAF in quiet some difficulty.

Why Western Countries involve in developing simulator Software for Pak-China Aircraft as PAF already have Simulator and why putting non reliable Western Sensors in JF-17, Donot trust any Western Nations as they donot want to See Stronger Pakistan and China in this Region, they have Hidden Agendas!

 

[Arabian Legend]

Nice bird, promising future.

Keep up the work guys.

 

[SQ8]

Ok guys, since it was the last dubai airshow when the JF-17 crash occurred and we lost a very fine pilot Sq Ldr Muhammad Hussain in it.

Today will just clear some of the mystery about the crash. There was no bird hit or some technical failure with the engine. The crash occurred due to human tecnical error on part of PAF, who had installed some sensors on the specific JF-17 to get data which would be later used in the making of a simulator. A simulator which was being made with the help of some western country, even though a Chinese simulator was there. The specific aircraft had cleared its flight at 20,000ft, then at 15,000ft, 10,000ft and it was when it was on its last leg of journey at 5,000ft, things went bad and a structural anomaly occurred due to the positioning of the sensors at some place in the or on the wing, as the aircraft on each altitude was taken to its maximum performance parameters to get accurate data for the simulator software. Due to the wrong positioning of the sensors and high G forces applied at different altitudes, by the time the JF-17 came to its last stage to perform at 5,000ft, most probably one side of the wing developed structural fault and broke off, the aircraft got into a spin and crashed. I will divulge just this for now, but this action brought PAF in quiet some difficulty.

This explains a lot on the small tolerances for structural miscalculations. Unfortuntaley, the PAF is still in its "Jugaar" mentality. Even when many aircraft have been lost by it including F-16s, many F-6s, F-7s and Mirages. This action should have been coordinated with the original team of engineers that assisted the CATIC team or with Chengdu itself.

 

[Bratva]

Ok guys, since it was the last dubai airshow when the JF-17 crash occurred and we lost a very fine pilot Sq Ldr Muhammad Hussain in it.

Today will just clear some of the mystery about the crash. There was no bird hit or some technical failure with the engine. The crash occurred due to human tecnical error on part of PAF, who had installed some sensors on the specific JF-17 to get data which would be later used in the making of a simulator. A simulator which was being made with the help of some western country, even though a Chinese simulator was there. The specific aircraft had cleared its flight at 20,000ft, then at 15,000ft, 10,000ft and it was when it was on its last leg of journey at 5,000ft, things went bad and a structural anomaly occurred due to the positioning of the sensors at some place in the or on the wing, as the aircraft on each altitude was taken to its maximum performance parameters to get accurate data for the simulator software. Due to the wrong positioning of the sensors and high G forces applied at different altitudes, by the time the JF-17 came to its last stage to perform at 5,000ft, most probably one side of the wing developed structural fault and broke off, the aircraft got into a spin and crashed. I will divulge just this for now, but this action brought PAF in quiet some difficulty.

Hmmm,,, So the early rumors after the crash that JF-17 disintegrated in the air had due to structural defect were true to some extent!

And supposed insiders were hell bent on declaring it FOD despite very small DSI inlets of JF-17 and rare chance of Birds being sucked in it

Taimi sahab, The thing you are divulging could had been disclosed by PAF in official capacity. When America don't feel ashamed in disclosing F-22 crash reports, I don't know why PAF feels reluctant to do it? Does this got to do with rotten "Fauji mentality" of not disclosing failures to "bloody civilians" ?