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63 F-16s, 150 JF-17s, total 213 jets. Too low of a number. Which means gap has to be fulfilled by either more JF-17s or J-10s. We will need to compromise on J-10 numbers if we want to invest in Chinese stealth fighter.

Well in coming years, we would be needing at least 350-400 aircraft and i like to have the J-10, provided its potent enough to fulfill the PAF requirements, as i don't see PAF acquiring any western 4.5th gen aircraft in the coming future, as we don't have much options, whatever options we have, they are pretty expensive. I say 200 JF-17s, 60 F-16s, 100 J-10s and may be 30-40 5th gen fighters should be the force mix by 2020-25, a close to 400 aircraft potent and lethal air force.

I wish that this Block-IIs will going to incorporate Extensive use of Composites, WS-13(100KN), FLIR and IRIST Pod or like on UAVs type POD, Retractable In-Flight Refueling Probe and Dual seat aircraft too. CFTs.

Well if that is what you want, the price will sky rocket and then it would be better to get J-10 in the same price rather then to have JF-17s.

Keep JF-17 in the 15-25M $$ range, cheap and potent enough.
 
Well in coming years, we would be needing at least 350-400 aircraft and i like to have the J-10, provided its potent enough to fulfill the PAF requirements, as i don't see PAF acquiring any western 4.5th gen aircraft in the coming future, as we don't have much options, whatever options we have, they are pretty expensive. I say 200 JF-17s, 60 F-16s, 100 J-10s and may be 30-40 5th gen fighters should be the force mix by 2020-25, a close to 400 aircraft potent and lethal air force.



Well if that is what you want, the price will sky rocket and then it would be better to get J-10 in the same price rather then to have JF-17s.

Keep JF-17 in the 15-25M $$ range, cheap and potent enough.

Yeah i agree to that. JF-17 is supposed to be cheap and potent.
I think in later blocks nothing special is going to happen. At most an AESA radar, IFR probe and data link in the avionics to keep the price upto $25 million max...
If people are going to think about structural changes especially to make it stealthy, and a dual seat version then i'm afraid it would be better to buy J-10 instead. As far as the WS-13 engine is concerned, i think it is supposed to be for the Chinese. Chengdu is trying to convince its Air force to purchase it by showing that China wouldn't have to worry about Russian assistance in the future. Pakistanis are more than happy with RD-93 as it is less maintenance prone and plus we've probably ordered 100 of them in the contract.... This is just my assumption. Let us see what happens in the future in later blocks...
 
I wish that this Block-IIs will going to incorporate Extensive use of Composites

It may not be as expensive as we think. China's cost is far less and many factories are producing composite material in China. You may be surprised that China is on of the largest composite material exporter to USA.
 
What ever the Pakistani pilots feel we the public feel the same but reality is different, we can't afford to take on usaf, Pakistan needs to revamp all institution and the economy and who knows what we can do in the future.

We cannot afford to take on USAF or USN in the air, however.....we can annihilate the bases/Carriers where these Jets take off from and eliminate the root. What will the US do in return? Destroy our Air Bases? Big deal!
 
We cannot afford to take on USAF or USN in the air, however.....we can annihilate the bases/Carriers where these Jets take off from and eliminate the root. What will the US do in return? Destroy our Air Bases? Big deal!

Plz don't derail the thread with such comments.

Keep the discussion on JF-17.
 
It should be as,
300 Thunders,
63 F-16s, 58 J-10B and
"36 J-11B" by 2018. For a well prepared strong air force.
 
That is one of the key issues that many people not see. Procuring an stealth fighter from China might be cheaper than F35 for example and with the good loan conditions possible for sure, but maintaining such fighters is the real problem! USN estimates that maintaining the single engine F35C will be 1.5 times costlier as the twin engine F18 Hornets they will replace! So PAF not only has to look at the procurement cost, but also if they can operate such a fleet, especially with the rumored numbers of JF 17 and J10 (150 to 250 / 36 to 100+).

There is suppose to be no KEY ISSUE post 2020, PAF must not slap us again with cost-price-no funds issue enough of BS already for the past 20 Years; World is moving forward. That would be nonsense worst decision by PAF to not go for 5th Gen post 2020 and consider it self to takecare of Airspace as usual when every tom dick and harry nation would have 5th Gen in their lineup that, it would be considered "lost millennium" A history in making by PAF. Your logic is flawed and it would fairly be flawed post 2020+.
 
I have heard lots of complaints about costs and PAF's budget.
Can't PAF just lease some Eurofighters??? I know some European countries do that..... :woot:
 
I have heard lots of complaints about costs and PAF's budget.
Can't PAF just lease some Eurofighters??? I know some European countries do that..... :woot:

Hi Mr. CB4, Nato and the US are looking for a reason to bomb FATA. Do you honestly think they will lease or sell Eurofighters? Pakistan's only current options are the JF-17 and J-10B, and if they can strike a royalty deal with Russia, maybe the J-11B. I am simply greatful that Chinese technology has improved. Can you imagine if China could still only produce the F-7PG, how far behind the PAF would be.
 
looks like that JF-17 is not appearing in Farnborough Airshow in 2012
although back in 2010 they were saying they will come and perform flight display.
 
25 km when launched from an altitude of approximately 33,000 feet

wouldn't the JF-17 need to get well inside the SAM cover provided for the radars? a PURE kamikaze mission i presume!
 
looks like that JF-17 is not appearing in Farnborough Airshow in 2012
although back in 2010 they were saying they will come and perform flight display.

Yes, sadly got the confirmation from Alan Warnes also. !!

alan.warnes@keypublishing.com via srs.bis7.eu.blackberry.com
2:53 PM (13 minutes ago)

to me
No aircraft. Alan
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
 
Isn't JF-17 using KLJ-10 Radar ??
Revealed in 1995 as the successor of the cancelled Sino-US Super-7 project, FC-1 (Fighter China-1, max TO weight 12,700kg, max speed M 1.8, service ceiling 16,920m, max weapon load 3,900kg, ferry range 3,480km, combat radius 1,352km, max g load +8.5) is being developed by CAC/611 Institute (with some technical assistance from Russian Mikoyan OKB) as a "medium tech", light weight fighter/ground attack aircraft carrying a relatively cheap price tag (~$20m). As a fighter designed for export, its main customer is expected to be Pakistan who also shares 50% of the total cost (around $150m). It may also compete with second-hand F-16s to seize the market created by the retirement of Mig-21s, Mirage III and F-5s. Currently powered by a Russian RD-93 turbofan (upgraded RD-33, rated 8,795kg with a/b), it may also be powered by a locally produced WS-13 Taishan if it ever enters the service with PLAAF. The A-6 style "V" shaped air-intakes are believed to provide smooth air flow to the engine at high AoA. The fire control radar is thought to be a Chinese KLJ-7 X-band multi-functional PD radar in the initial batches of 8, then subsequently switched to KLJ-10 with a better performance (track 10 engage 2, look-up range 75km, look-down range 45km for RCS=3m2). A European high performance radar (e.g. Italian Vixen 1000ES AESA) has been planned in later batches. Other electronics include an NVG compatible glass cockpit with 3 8"x6" color MFDs, HOTAS, AIFF, 1553B databus and INS/GPS. Weapon load includes both short (PL-5E/PL-9C/AIM-9M) and medium-range AAMs (SD-10A). LGBs (LT-2/LT-3/GBU-16), GPS/INS guided bombs (LS-6), anti-radiation missiles (Brazilian MAR-1) and IRST/laser designation pod (WMD-7) can also be carried for ground attack missions, up to 2 C-802A AShMs for anti-ship missions. For self-protection purpose a KG300G ECM pod can be carried. The development schedule of FC-1 was repeatedly delayed caused by various problems, such as lack of funding, the reluctance of western countries to supply advanced avionics, as well as the revised specifications set by PAF to counter the threat from India's LCAs. These specifications included a true BVR attack capability with active radar guided medium-range AAMs (SD-10). However, FC-1's prospect in the domestic market was not very promising, as PLAAF had largely committed to the more advanced J-10 as its new generation fighter along with J-11 and was reluctant to take a large number of FC-1s due to its less advanced design and a Russian engine. After lengthy negotiations, Pakistani government finally signed the contract with CATIC and CAC/611 in 1999 and gave the "go ahead" order to the much delayed project. The development was further accelerated after PAF recommitted the project and confirmed FC-1's technical specifications in detail in February 2001. A full-scale mock-up was quickly constructed. A total of 6 prototypes (01-06) would have been built at CAC. The 01 prototype rolled down the assembly line on May 31, 2003 with two small wing fences. Its maiden flight took place on August 25, 2003. The 03 prototype first flew on April 9, 2004 without the two small wing fences. The 04 prototype was expected to fly by the end of 2005 with full suite of avionics but this was delayed until April 2006 due to several structural modifications. They include new diverterless supersonic inlets (DSI/Bump) similar to those of American F-35 to reduce weight and achieve better performance. A large rectangular-shaped fairing is installed on top of the vertical tailfin which may house ECM equipment. Its flight control includes a Type 634 quadruplex digital FBW in pitch axis and a duplex analog FBW in roll axis. A UV band MAWS has been installed at the root of the vertical tailfin to provide rear hemisphere coverage. Two enlarged F/A-18 style LERX are thought to offer higher AOA as well. The first flight of 04 prototype took place on April 28, 2006, and 06 prototype on September 10, 2006. The first two preproduction JF-17s (Joint Fighter-17, 00 batch/07-101 & 102) were delivered to Pakistan on March 2, 2007, with the nose-tip pitot tube removed. The 01 batch of 6 JF-17s (08-103 -- 08-108) were delivered between March and April 2008. The contract for PAF to acquire 42 JF-17s (mostly assembled by PAC) was singed on March 7, 2009. The first two (09-109 & 110) have been built by CAC. The first JF-17 (09-111) in the batch of 4 assembled by PAC rolled out on November 23, 2009. It was reported in May 2011 that PAF plans to acquire another 50 JF-17s on an "expedited" basis and the negotiation is still ongoing. Besides Pakistan, several Asian and African countries also expressed interest in FC-1, including Egypt, Bangladesh, Iran, Sri Lanka and Azerbaijan. In October 2008 it was rumored that PLAAF might acquire some FC-1s as a low-cost light fighter/attack aircraft to replace its obsolete J-7s and Q-5s but this has not been confirmed. FC-1 passed design appraisal in December 2009. The first taxi test of FC-1 powered by an indigenous WS-13 took place on March 18, 2010. A further improved version (JF-17A/JF-17 Block 2?) featuring an AESA radar, IRST and IFR probe as well as a two-seat trainer version (JF-17B?) are thought to has been proposed and likely be under development as well.

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Hi Mr. CB4, Nato and the US are looking for a reason to bomb FATA. Do you honestly think they will lease or sell Eurofighters? Pakistan's only current options are the JF-17 and J-10B, and if they can strike a royalty deal with Russia, maybe the J-11B. I am simply greatful that Chinese technology has improved. Can you imagine if China could still only produce the F-7PG, how far behind the PAF would be.
No eurofighters etc. We can go for Russian SU 30 of J11B among other stuff. And yes no more BS about cost and funds. Every thing could be arranged.

It should be as,
300 Thunders,
63 F-16s, 58 J-10B and
"36 J-11B" by 2018. For a well prepared strong air force.

Ideally 150JB-10 and 54 JB11 among other stuff.
 
No eurofighters etc. We can go for Russian SU 30 of J11B among other stuff. And yes no more BS about cost and funds. Every thing could be arranged.



Ideally 150JB-10 and 54 JB11 among other stuff.


Again, its all upto our ECONOMY & CORRUPT LEADERSHIP..!
Or we would have bought Rafaele, EFT or some other goodies. We can't go for 150
J-10Biiiii , WE DON'T HAVE 'ALADIN' IN OUR POCKETS .. :D
 
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