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I agree, but given the gap between the design parameters of the platform, and the sometimes overly tall claims made, it is important to keep in mind that the JF-17 is not the greatest thing since sliced bread, including the inherent maneuverability of the plane, so that an assessment of its abilities is kept realistic. That is all.
I must agree with you over here.
The era of 4th generation fighters was probably the last joyable era. Latter, no idea what the technology will bring, a few birds would be enough for attack and defense.
The bright days of fighters are over, the future is dark. Even shooting down an enemy plane on it's own runway, from your airspace.
No engaging the bogey and 'dogfights', the name should be changed from 'fighter flying' so something else...
Hi,
Thanks for the reply..
I have read on some other websites that this time JF-17 will do a flying display at Farnborough...
Is that true?
On your asking again, i contacted a source. His reply was not less than a horrible news, JF-17 is not gonna be a feature this year. Till Jan FB'2012 was on the list...God knows what happened after that
Hi,
Flying displays are only for show now----nothing more---just to please the crowds----. The days of one upmanship are gone---. Today it is all about electronic packages that the plane can carry and missiles that it can launch---.
Just one question that always arises whenever i see your post. As sir you have pointed out yourself the days of one upmanship are gone, today its all about the hardware(electronics) a plane carries and with that the missiles it can launch. My understanding of all of this is that if JF-17 is equipped with an AESA radar, will it then be not able to take on any thing the IAF has to offer? It is already a BVR capable plane and the data available to us, the SD-10b falls in the same category as the AIM-120c, the only thing it lacks is a proper radar, so in future if its equipped with an AESA radar, how exactly will it fall short against IAF?
Just one question that always arises whenever i see your post. As sir you have pointed out yourself the days of one upmanship are gone, today its all about the hardware(electronics) a plane carries and with that the missiles it can launch. My understanding of all of this is that if JF-17 is equipped with an AESA radar, will it then be not able to take on any thing the IAF has to offer? It is already a BVR capable plane and the data available to us, the SD-10b falls in the same category as the AIM-120c, the only thing it lacks is a proper radar, so in future if its equipped with an AESA radar, how exactly will it fall short against IAF?
I was under the impression (an impression made by some venerated PDFers !) that the AWACs coupled with our Ground Cover more than compensates for the lack of an AESA in the JFs. In fact, it actually saves up on a lot of money for us !
Luftwafee
For most countires weapons procurement is political.
Casing POINT pakistan with china
India with Russia France & israel.
FOR JF17 to score over USA veteran combat planes OR over RUSSIAN MIGS with their client states. CHINA & INDEED PAKISTAN has to become their political BACK UP first.
We can see how hard USA was bending to win indian MMRCA stil they lost to french.
THIS IS THE HARD PART gaining the trust and the leverage.
Most of the world have beng buying of usa or russia for over 50 years THIS will not change quickly
Just one question that always arises whenever i see your post. As sir you have pointed out yourself the days of one upmanship are gone, today its all about the hardware(electronics) a plane carries and with that the missiles it can launch. My understanding of all of this is that if JF-17 is equipped with an AESA radar, will it then be not able to take on any thing the IAF has to offer? It is already a BVR capable plane and the data available to us, the SD-10b falls in the same category as the AIM-120c, the only thing it lacks is a proper radar, so in future if its equipped with an AESA radar, how exactly will it fall short against IAF?
Hi,
Everybody can claim to be the king---but it is not the day for sd10 yet--aim120 is far superior. We are really fortunate to have some pros on this forum and one of them is Gambit----if you remember one of his posts----comparing the size of radar on an su30 to one on a jf17---see---the size that fits in the nose cone matters as well---.
The next thing is---you don't fight a war with yourself----you prepare to fight with your arch enemy---you have to have aircraft that makes your opponent stop and think----you must never fight from the position of an under dog----the mindset sets you up for failure right away----then you have excuses---ohhhhhhh---we already knew we did not have the right equipment----but we thought we could----.
Remember---if it does not look good on the paper and standing next to each other----it has issues. You need to have a hell of an air to air bvr and you need to have numbers behind it----.
Remember the Mongol army of Genghis Khan---his 'hand shot missiles ' arrows ' had a longer range and power behind them than the enemies----secondly----in combat---each of his cavalry carried around a 100 arrows in two containers behind their back.
So, a division of 10000 soldiers had ONE MILLION arrows to shoot at the enemy. Genghis Khan proved some 750 years ago that long range missiles work---you shoot and you scoot---you shoot and you scoot---and keep on shooting and keep on running away and destroy the enemy from a distance----.
That is why you have the su30---a bvr truck---. Air wars are not won on playing cutesies----that is what the paf has been playing for the laqst 20 years now.