JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 2]

[Arsalan]

Why not? What does that upgraded flanker have that cannot be matched by the JF and its missiles?

a better radar, ability to spend more time in air (loiter time) and ability to cary more payload thus able to fire multiple missiles on one target and still be able to counter multiple targets. these are some points where the flankers certainly have an edge but if the JF is able to get a good BVR most of these will certainly be neutralized as a better missile with more range and better kill ratio will sort the problem of radar and payload, the loiter time is not an issue as the JF17 are meant for an interceptor role and thus have to fly in pakistani airspace keeping the option of air-to-air refueling open!

regards!

 

[Munir]

a better radar, ability to spend more time in air (loiter time) and ability to cary more payload thus able to fire multiple missiles on one target and still be able to counter multiple targets. these are some points where the flankers certainly have an edge but if the JF is able to get a good BVR most of these will certainly be neutralized as a better missile with more range and better kill ratio will sort the problem of radar and payload, the loiter time is not an issue as the JF17 are meant for an interceptor role and thus have to fly in pakistani airspace keeping the option of air-to-air refueling open!

regards!

I think you overestimate the Flanker. Surely it is a great machine bu smaller machines do have their advanages and you might want to remember that Gnat was pretty good against the more advanced sabres. You just want to remember a few points:

-Does Pakistan need the loiter time? Nopes. Zero depth and IFR.
-Does Pakistan need huge payload? Nopes. You just want to get in. Shoot fast and return to safer area. You do not want to be part of a huge battle with big chance of disorientation or friendly kills.
-Does the MKI has a better kill ratio? I have no idea.
-Is a bigger radar good? Nopes. It makes your RCS bigger. It is much more handy to use Awacs...

Not to be irriant but bigger doesn not mean better.

 

[Munir]

Here something from other post...

Putting a big question mark on the performance of the Russian beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missiles with the Indian Air Force, an audit report by the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) has noted that nearly half the missiles tested either did not home in on targets during evaluations or failed ground tests because they were ageing much before their shelf lives.

The R 77 (RVV-AE) BVR missiles, fitted on board the Su-30 MKIs, MiG-29s and MiG-21 Bisons, were bought from Russia starting 1996. More than 2,000 missiles were ordered after the Kargil conflict and 1,000 have been delivered.

The CAG report, which will be released soon, is based on evaluations of the missile — its range is close to 90 km — during ground tests, inspections and test firing by the IAF. The missiles were bought at a “cost of Rs 2 crore each” but their failure during tests, says the CAG report, has affected the “operational preparedness” of the IAF.

All figures in the report are based on air force records. Everything is verified by the IAF,” an official said.

The problem with the missiles was referred to Russia and several teams subsequently visited India to rectify faults. IAF officers familiar with the missiles confirmed that this has been a problem area for long. “It is a known fact that the missiles do not work as we would like them to. Periodic tests that are carried out when they are in storage show their dismal state. We also have problems with spare parts,” said a retired officer who was closely associated with the matter.
Former Air Chief Marshal S Krishnaswamy said: “When the missiles were bought, they were top of the line, world class systems that no other country had. As we did not have our own testing facilities, they had to be tested in Russia. The question to be asked is whether the government approved testing facilities for the missiles in India.”

 

[Arsalan]

I think you overestimate the Flanker. Surely it is a great machine bu smaller machines do have their advanages and you might want to remember that Gnat was pretty good against the more advanced sabres. You just want to remember a few points:

-Does Pakistan need the loiter time? Nopes. Zero depth and IFR.
-Does Pakistan need huge payload? Nopes. You just want to get in. Shoot fast and return to safer area. You do not want to be part of a huge battle with big chance of disorientation or friendly kills.
-Does the MKI has a better kill ratio? I have no idea.
-Is a bigger radar good? Nopes. It makes your RCS bigger. It is much more handy to use Awacs...

Not to be irriant but bigger doesn not mean better.

sir that is exactly what i have sais in my post!!

the loiter time is not an issue as the JF17 are meant for an interceptor role and thus have to fly in pakistani airspace keeping the option of air-to-air refueling open
JF is able to get a good BVR most of these will certainly be neutralized as a better missile with more range and better kill ratio will sort the problem of radar and payload,



Regards Sir Jee!!

 

[Arsalan]

Here something from other post...

Putting a big question mark on the performance of the Russian beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missiles with the Indian Air Force, an audit report by the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) has noted that nearly half the missiles tested either did not home in on targets during evaluations or failed ground tests because they were ageing much before their shelf lives.

The R 77 (RVV-AE) BVR missiles, fitted on board the Su-30 MKIs, MiG-29s and MiG-21 Bisons, were bought from Russia starting 1996. More than 2,000 missiles were ordered after the Kargil conflict and 1,000 have been delivered.

The CAG report, which will be released soon, is based on evaluations of the missile — its range is close to 90 km — during ground tests, inspections and test firing by the IAF. The missiles were bought at a “cost of Rs 2 crore each” but their failure during tests, says the CAG report, has affected the “operational preparedness” of the IAF.

All figures in the report are based on air force records. Everything is verified by the IAF,” an official said.

The problem with the missiles was referred to Russia and several teams subsequently visited India to rectify faults. IAF officers familiar with the missiles confirmed that this has been a problem area for long. “It is a known fact that the missiles do not work as we would like them to. Periodic tests that are carried out when they are in storage show their dismal state. We also have problems with spare parts,” said a retired officer who was closely associated with the matter.
Former Air Chief Marshal S Krishnaswamy said: “When the missiles were bought, they were top of the line, world class systems that no other country had. As we did not have our own testing facilities, they had to be tested in Russia. The question to be asked is whether the government approved testing facilities for the missiles in India.”

yes this sums up the debate!

regards!

 

[Munir]

I must have some sleep!!! Unfortunately a bad day to be awake afterreading that one of our F16 went down and the pilot lost.

 

[SBD-3]

I must have some sleep!!! Unfortunately a bad day to be awake afterreading that one of our F16 went down and the pilot lost.

I read the news it was mirrage

 

[Arsalan]

I read the news it was mirrage

no it was an F16A! the matter have been discussed in detail on the relavant thread now! sadly the pilot also lost his life!
may his soul rest in peace!

regards!

 

[a1b2c145]

great JF-17 Pics~

 

[a1b2c145]

great JF-17 Pics~

 

[a1b2c145]

great JF-17 Pics~

go on ~~~

 

[fatman17]

View attachment 4019

these are the freighters that are ferrying JF-17 fuselage and engines from china to pakistan. seen at karachi jinnah airport on 17 july-09. un-loading takes place at nite-time.

 

[jalip]

View attachment 4019

these are the freighters that are ferrying JF-17 fuselage and engines from china to pakistan. seen at karachi jinnah airport on 17 july-09. un-loading takes place at nite-time.

At karachi strange why not Islamabad it will be convenient to shift them to kamara

 

[MZUBAIR]

Yes, It shld be in Islamabad/Rawalpindi airport
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[wangrong]

only one AN-124?