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A footage referring to PAF's delegation inspecting JFT Block II
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Sir How do you know it is Block II ?
 
Sir How do you know it is Block II ?
Well the original post referred it to Block II. You can also see a different and more stealthy design of LERX in the picture. But I am posting it as received.
 
That lerx looks like the ordinary lerx we already have seen on the operational JF17's.
 
AVIC chief designer revealed that he will develop a new stealth fighter

Chinese Premier Li Keqiang's recent visit to Pakistan by Pakistani high standard courtesy, which Pakistan Air Force six "Fierce Dragon" (Pakistani side, said JF-17 "Lightning") throughout the convoy Li Keqiang plane impressive. "Fierce Dragon" as a cost-effective fighter jointly developed by China and Pakistan, by the Pakistan Air Force favored, according to reports, the Pakistan Air Force will soon set up a third "Fierce Dragon" squadron. However, the concern is that the 23rd "Fierce Dragon" fighter architect Yang interviewed by the media stressed that "Fierce Dragon" fighter Future enhancements will include a two-seater version of the upgrade program as well as the stealth version Xiaolong Xiaolong.

23, the "Fierce Dragon" fighter architect Yang told China Global Network interview, official media said that Pakistan Air Force "Fierce Dragon" fighter plane escort for the Li Keqiang, this is the fighter R & D team incentives. Turning to the "Fierce Dragon" fighter upgrade plans for future improvements, Yang says, "Fierce Dragon" fighter will be continuing development, equipment and continuous improvement, and the subsequent improvements will be focused on information perception, system integration and weapons and equipment .

Pakistan Air Force 6 "Fierce Dragon" fighter plane was escorted Chinese Premier Li Keqiang

Young chief engineer also said, "Fierce Dragon" have developed two-seater version of the program, there are series development plans, but also stressed that "Fierce Dragon" future may also use some low-cost stealth measures. He also said, "Fierce Dragon" fighter engine being developed next-generation process, and achieved some success.

Although China currently has plans to launch stealth version of the "Fierce Dragon", but according to insiders, the stealth version of the "Fierce Dragon" first flight will be significantly delayed. "Fierce Dragon" as a low-end export fighters, and key model can not be compared in importance, China Aviation Industry 611 is bound to focus on the technical backbone busy inside the J-20, the space plane and other projects, "Fierce Dragon" stealth version only some personnel deployed to do, but not as the focus of technological breakthroughs, the project will use the F -20 transplant mature technology, so its progress came in the F -20 inevitable after the item.



Improved stealth version of the "Fierce Dragon"

F -20 fighter at January 11, 2011 has just completed its first flight, from this point in time projection, which is manufactured after October 2010, in the interval of 2-3 months ground inspection. Processing body assembly time in five months or so, then the J-20 began manufacturing should first half of 2010. Aircraft from the drawing board to produce a finished product, the first to complete the form and structural design, and then developed subsystems and components, processes and tooling design, during any one component can not be completed as planned will cause the whole machine need to re-coordinate, in the past need 5,6 years, and now they have the fastest four years, so the inference about the J-20 finish exterior design is from 2006 to 2007, the first flight earlier than 3-4 years.

J-20 project bidding is completed in 2006, 611 programs successful and developed into the current F -20 aircraft, combined with exterior design time point of view, the two aircraft's aerodynamic bidding program has been basically completed. Four generations of machines and pneumatic stealth appearance is the result of coordination, so at that time certainly shape stealth design has been completed, to establish the available electromagnetic computing power, and has a proven aerodynamic and stealthy coordination, which is the basis of stealth aircraft exterior design.

Biography stealth version of "Fierce Dragon" fighter

To judge, 611 is responsible for the aerodynamic design and stealth design offices completed no later than mid-2007 J-20 aircraft designed primarily for work, and have a complete stealth aircraft exterior design experience, to establish a combination of old and new design team. After completion of the project in the J-20, the main focus of the research can be transferred to other projects, such as air and space vehicles, unmanned aerial vehicles and so on. "Fierce Dragon" as the 611 export items, originally developed by a group of mainly young people, it also allows them to accumulate ahead of engineering experience.

In 2007 J-20 project, pneumatic and stealth research mainly young people set up a "Fierce Dragon" improvement project team, the successful experience of -20 F can be applied with a time of nearly two years to complete designs. "Fierce Dragon" stealth improved model is not a new product, the internal structure can be improved based on the original work than the new design of the J-20 is much smaller.

"Fierce Dragon" into stealth fighters, weapons bound to built-in, but the built-magazine for aircraft and airframe structural weight of demanding cross-sectional area of ​​the "Fierce Dragon" This is unbearable light aircraft, 611 exactly how Choose a Mystery outgoing messages person, is built two missile in the distance.

Stealth version of "Fierce Dragon" fighter

"Fierce Dragon" aircraft on both sides of the intake monoplane, the whole structure does not fundamentally change the premise, built-in can only be arranged in the bomb bay inlet beneath the rear of the wing root. The biggest obstacle is the landing gear, the "Fierce Dragon" forward on the layout of the main landing gear stowed in the wing root, occupied the position bomb bay, the two can not coexist, so stealth version of the "Fierce Dragon" from the main landing gear will certainly be modified. One way is to hide it from the forward to the outside away, while the main landing gear mounting point moves to the inside to keep the length of the main landing gear change, similar to the F-22 landing gear structure. This structure will affect the inner wing pylons heavy load length, so rarely used, but the stealth aircraft to external loads considered small, so use it anyway. Another approach is the main landing gear move outward across the wing, the position vacated by tank shells, and then move away remain unchanged, similar to the structure of the F-35. This approach less impact on the external load of the wing, but because the main landing gear mounting point on the outside, right wing higher load-bearing structure. "Fierce Dragon" is a light fighter to the outside of the main landing gear stowed it will lead to the main landing gear spacing is too small to affect the stability of landing, so the use of the relocation program likely landing gear.

"Fierce Dragon" is the monoplane, which makes it under the wing of the lack of sufficient space to lay bomb bay, assuming that the main landing gear tire diameter of 0.7 m, then the height of the wing to the belly it is so big. In the internal bomb bay to mount air missiles, in addition to considering the missile itself wingspan, it also set aside space for the ejection mechanism, the minimum can not be less than 0.6 m, so the "Fierce Dragon" space is very tight. Although you can modify the wing to solve the problem of insufficient space, but this will lead to a substantial modification of the machine structure, consideration of some large.

Assuming the "Fierce Dragon" aircraft using air missiles wingspan of 0.45 meters, then rotate 45 degrees after installing the rack, they need a minimum width of approximately 0.36 m, with space left on both sides, bomb bay width not be less than 0.4 m; laterally arranged a fight if we bomb, the bomb hatch not be less than the maximum width of 0.7 meters. "Fierce Dragon" aircraft fuselage width of 0.6 meters higher than the inlet, if weakened body "wasp waist" can be arranged under 0.4-0.7 m internal bomb bay, but will cause the aircraft to the largest cross-sectional area increases, the maximum speed decreased.

Stealth version of "Fierce Dragon"

"Fierce Dragon" will certainly learn transplantation J-20 stealth design experience, so its inevitable with aerodynamic shape similar to the J-20 also retains the "Fierce Dragon" fighter original structural features, such as the F -20 inverted trapezoidal airway cross-section into the F-22 is more similar to the hexagonal cross section. Then if the bomb bay width of 0.4 meters, then tilted 30 degrees outward side of the fuselage under the wing just beyond the intersection of line width bomb hatch about 0.4 meters, width of the entire intake increased by approximately 0.8 meters, the largest aircraft cross-sectional area of ​​approximately 0.84 square meters; if the bomb bay width of 0.7 m, then the inlet width of approximately 1.1 m, cross-sectional area increased 1.26 meters.

From the lower supersonic drag and improve aircraft air combat maneuvering performance standpoint, "Fierce Dragon" inside the bomb bay carry only two mid-range air to air missile is better, that small changes on the aircraft inlet, easy to implement. However, there exists a serious logical problem.

A smaller internal magazine, loading only two medium range air to air missile, which is the structure in order to reduce weight and increase the cross-sectional area, control aircraft maneuvering performance decline, in order to facilitate close combat aircraft combat. But inside the magazine can not carry combat missiles, which causes a reduced ability to close combat aircraft several orders of magnitude, unless the other party did not find "Fierce Dragon" strikes, or in combat aerial combat with the enemy does not have the ability to confront. In other words, improve aircraft maneuverability choice but will reduce aircraft fighting combat capability.

Chinese mainland network spread stealth version of "Fierce Dragon" fighter

If the "Fierce Dragon" aircraft magazine carries only close combat air to air missiles, then the magazine will be greatly reduced size, weight and frontal area are easy to control, has little effect on aircraft performance. However, the medium range air to air missile plug causes was only 0.1 meters below the aircraft RCS sharply to 0.5 or more, and even more than one square meter, which would completely destroy stealth aircraft design effort, and therefore not desirable. Cocoon bag design is a possible solution, but a separate cocoon wrapped in weight and volume heavier than the internal magazine, aerodynamic resistance also catch tanks; into fighting combat front still need to abandon long-term use cost is very high.

Therefore, the "Fierce Dragon" aircraft most likely option is used in two close within two magazine design, weight and drag on even pay the cost of the expense. From the "Fierce Dragon" aircraft, the most appropriate solution is to change the wing monoplane monoplane Central, similar to the -20 aerodynamic shape design, the fuselage on both sides of the magazine, will be playing in the distance and combat missiles vertically arranged, combat missiles mounted on the door rail, open the door after the launch does not hinder the missile in the distance, but it does not require specialized stuck-style rack. However, the door needs to strengthen the structure, or when the fighting were fired up to 5-8 tons of recoil will destroy the door; if difficult to solve, you can also change the distance from combat missiles after launch bomb-like ignition, which would increase the emission close.

"Fierce Dragon" is now empty weight of about 6.2 tons, 1.8 tons within the oil, using a single RD-33 engine with afterburning 8.3 tons, combat thrust to weight ratio of about 1.14. Stealth version of "Fierce Dragon" need to increase the internal magazine, smear stealth coatings and improved electronic equipment, empty weight is estimated to increase to about 7.4 tons, the oil 1.8-2 tons, using the RD-33 engine thrust-weight ratio dropped to air combat 0.96, a substantial decline. However, China is developing medium-size high-ratio engine can be pushed in about five years after the equipment "Fierce Dragon", the maximum thrust to 9.5 tons, combat thrust to weight ratio can reach 1.1. If the engine is lighter weight than the RD-33, then the aircraft empty weight will reduce air combat thrust to weight ratio even higher.

If the stealth version of the "Fierce Dragon" RCS can be controlled within 0.1 meters below, you can find other airborne radar distance from three generations of machines typically reduced to 65 km 150 km, 100 km from the locking distance is reduced to 44 km, and electronic interference conditions actually reach 40 km and 20 km level. This level of control is sufficient to penetrate existing RCS air defense system, a decisive impact on the air war, breaking the regional balance of power in the air, becoming weak against the powerful enemy a powerful weapon.

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Pakistani JF-17 to start mid-air refueling by end of summer:

Author:
Farhan Bokhari, Islamabad:

Last posted:
2013-06-11


The PAF's chief has stated that the JF-17 Thunder will start mid-air refueling by the end of summer 2013.


(PAF) The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has successfully completed ground tests on mid-air refueling probes fitted to its Chengdu Aerospace Corporation/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft and expects to carry out the first mid-air refueling by the end of the summer, the service's chief has told this author.

Air Chief Marshall Tahir Rafique Butt said in a 6 June interview at the PAF's headquarters in Islamabad that the addition of the refueling capability to the JF-17 will improve prospects for international sales of the aircraft, which is jointly produced by China and Pakistan. "The ground tests have been very successful. I am very satisfied. This will be done successfully by end of summer [2013]," he said.

Both countries are reported to have been approached by a number of developing countries interested in the JF-17, which is considered a cost-effective alternative to Western fighter aircraft. Indonesia and Egypt have been named as among possible future customers.

The PAF acquired its first ever mid-air refueling capability in 2010 with the purchase of four Ilyushin Il-76 tanker transports from Ukraine. ACM Butt's remarks confirm for the first time that the JF-17 is to be equipped with the capability, which will significantly extend its range.

ACM Butt said the PAF is "very satisfied" with the performance of the JF-17, saying it will eventually become the backbone of the force along with Lockheed Martin F-16s. The PAF operates French Mirages, F-16s, and a number of versions of the Chengdu F-7.

Pakistani JF-17 to start mid-air refuelling by end of summer - IHS Jane's 360

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what is the range of Jf-17 radar? and how well it can fare against aircrafts like rafale
 
PARIS 2013: Two-seat JF-17 model

The FG defense team noticed this model of a two-seat Chengdu JF-17 fighter, though it looks like it also has fatter spine aft of the cockpit. The engine nozzle also looks different from the Klimov RD-93, so this model would probably be equipped with the Guizhou WS-13 turbofan. Our Asia expert Greg Waldron will have more on this later--assuming the Chinese feel like talking (and they often do).

PARIS 2013: Two-seat JF-17 model - The DEW Line

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Lightning Wings - On the JF-17B two-seat combat trainer

JF-17B model, the uplift of the machine back is its greatest feature

of the year at the Paris Air Show, China's first exhibition of the JF-17 two-seat fighter model, the Pakistan Air Force unconfirmed contact ( PAF ) is numbered JF-17B , which indicates JF-17 fighter has formed a complete series to improve its competitiveness.
From the model point of view, JF-17B mount a SD-10 active radar-guided missiles and C-802AK air-launched anti-ship missiles, with full operational capability, show that the plane was more combat missions.
Outside the first time that JF-17B existence is 2011 years " AirForces Monthly "for the first time publicly reported Pakistan desired to develop JF-17 's two-seat fighter / trainer aircraft , and it's conceivable that public figure , this year's JF-17 's chief designer Yang comrades for the first time publicly confirmed JF-17B program exists , this is the first public demonstration of JF-17B, so that the outside world can be first observed this type of combat / trainer . According to the information Airshow JF-17B domestic numbered FC-1B, it is to highlight the development goals of the coach, also has the JF-17/FC-1 considerable combat capability aircraft of the same type seat combat trainer. It usually is mainly used JF-17/FC-1 airplane pilot flight training and tactical training modifications, can be used to perform combat missions during the war, is JF-17/FC-1 an important series aircraft models. JF-17B Early imagine Figure

From the model point of view , JF-17B in addition to increasing an outside cabin , in terms of the overall layout of the JF-17 is not much difference , but the difference is that with the similar figure , JF-17B has a more generous rear , which is mainly because the two-seater fighter aircraft compared with the single-seat fighter , the addition of a cockpit , there are other pilots ejection seat, cockpit display systems and related lines, pipelines, etc., thus crowding out the aircraft avionics and fuel space, in order to ensure aircraft's combat capability, range will not drop too much, so it is necessary to increase the aircraft's space, so this increase is to increase the rear of aircraft avionics systems and fuel.
From the model point of view, many users may feel JF-17B model obviously did not imagine the good-looking figure, in fact, that the thickening of the machine back not only increase the weight of the aircraft, it also increases the resistance of the aircraft, in fact, this machine back in many aircraft above are present, including the F-16B / D , Su -27UB , EF-2000 , etc., its drawback is the plane length does not increase too much, thus avoiding the aircraft empty weight rising too quickly, too much impact on the performance of the aircraft to F-16 as an example, F-16C (with F100-PW-229 engine) empty weight of 8400 kg, while the F-16D weighs 8600 kg, while the other JAS-39 using lengthened to increase the avionics and airframe fuel space, JAS-39 single-seat length is 14.1 meters, and the JAS-39B two-seater reached 14.755 meters, with an empty weight of the former is 6622 kg, which reached 8000 kg, weight reached 1300 kg But JAS-39B wing area, engine thrust than the JAS-39A did not increase, so it's definitely fall flight performance more than the latter.

From this point of view can be speculated about JF-17B ultimately did not adopt similar figure as program, which although can guarantee the aircraft's range, while generating resistance is relatively small, but certainly need to increase the length of the aircraft, it will cause the aircraft empty weight The rapid increase, then the corresponding need to increase engine thrust to balance, according to the relevant information, JF-17 single-seat empty weight of 6500 kg, the oil 2300 kilograms, according to the JAS-39B program, also similar to Fig. program, then it's empty weight may increase to 8000 kg, while the JF-17 currently used in RD-93 engine afterburner thrust is 8300 kg, so the standard combat aircraft state (half oil, two infrared missile PL- 5E-2 , pilots and shells) is about 9500 kg, air combat thrust to weight ratio is about 0.87 , this state are really low. So at least put RD-93 increased to RD-333 level, which is the afterburner thrust increased to 10,000 kg, in order to ensure that the aircraft be able to better combat thrust to weight ratio, but this is probably Russia's own engine even have to take it out.
So we can see, JF-17B uses a relatively conservative approach to control the length and weight of the aircraft, according to this scheme, JF-17B will be controlled at the empty weight 7000 kg, so the state of its standard combat weight can be maintained at about 8300 kg to RD-93 of 8300 kg thrust of view, the air weight ratio close to 1 , so that it can get some flight performance is guaranteed. Of course, it's drawback is that the aircraft fuel load may be reduced, thus affecting the aircraft's range and the blank time, but for a country like Pakistan, its land area is not large, combat aircraft for the flight and flying time requirements and not high, the corresponding face of the Indian Air Force such a powerful enemy, combat performance is more important than others might, so JF-17B chose a conservative scheme is also understandable.

So JF-17B Air Force chief in Pakistan and other countries which perform combat missions, it should first be pilot fighting coach, currently the Pakistan Air Force's training system is the first in the primary trainer complete primary coach, and then in the K-8 at the completion Intermediate training, and finally into Forces the use of two-seat combat trainer complete facelift advanced flying techniques and training from now, JF-17 do not own the same type of combat trainer, so it may be in the pilot work facelift FT-7PG done above, but JF-17 uses a relatively large edge of advanced aerodynamic layout, telex control system, flight envelope and Flight Status & FT-7P larger difference, manipulation habits are not the same, so when the pilot from the FT-7 facelift to JF -17 , I will feel a greater suited, so that is not conducive to the training of pilots for combat effectiveness of troops Miguel also had a negative impact, as the JF-17 equipped with the expansion, may PAF need JF-17 two-seat fighter trainer.

One might ask, why PAF not to purchase L-15 Falcon aircraft such as the pilot combat trainer, which is now widely used in various countries as a model, but the development of JF-17B , I believe, for the PAF , the Indian Air Force to face such a powerful enemy, needs more fighters, while the JF-17B has a complete avionics systems and flight performance than the JF-17 is not too bad, it can also perform combat missions and ground precision combat and other tasks, while many of these tasks is L-15 "Falcon" do not move, the PAF is, L-15 " Falcon " all-state type necessarily cheaper, because the latter in order to ensure performance, using a more more composite materials and advanced technology, equipped with a four-axis fly-redundant system, glass cockpit, while the JF-17 in the material and the structure is relatively conservative, this also reduced the price, more importantly, PAF has JF-17 established a relatively complete logistical support system, JF-17B can take full advantage of this set of systems, so do not like the L-15 "Falcon" that once again put, so from the use of cost in terms of, for the PAF , the JF-17B may be a more appropriate choice. Installation of conformal fuel tanks of PAF F-16D, which is obviously more for long-range strike missions

Also JF-17B itself better tactical and technical indicators, according to the latest reports JF-17B also switched to four redundant fly-axis system, they can even do PAF pilot serving other combat trainer aircraft, such as the F-16 , from the relevant reports of view, PAF fleet of F-16DBLOCK52 two-seater fighter aircraft, equipped with conformal fuel tanks capable of launching AIM-120C5 active radar guided air to air missiles, mount a sniper optical pod, with the ability to launch laser-guided bombs, is PAF active in the strongest ranged attack multi-purpose aircraft, apparently PAF fighter reluctant to use such advanced subjects in a simple landing training, so you can take advantage of JF-17 advanced cockpit, FBW to train F -16 pilots, thus avoiding the use of precious three generations of some simple two-seater aircraft flight training courses. JF-17B mount SD-10 and C-802AK, with full operational capability

I said before JF-17B with full operational capability, so in a training mission at the same time, you can also perform combat missions, it is equipped with airborne radar may JF-17 the same, is China's KLJ-7 type, according to the PAF 's argument, it is for RCS = 5 goals can provide 130 km detection range, can guide SD-10 active radar guided air to air missile with a range 50-70 km , with most of the Indian Air Force combat aircraft combat ability, according to the Israeli Air Force actual combat experience, since three generations of machines increased a two-seater passenger aircraft, so it's battlefield situational awareness capabilities better than single-seat fighter fleet therefore suitable as a command and control aircraft to use. This is the most typical example is the former Soviet Union in the Soviet Union-27UP developed on the basis of the Su -27PU air command and control aircraft, which uses TKS-2-27 data link can be airborne radar data to four Su -27SK fighter, is it for the target indication. American F-14 can also use LINK-4C aircraft formations composed of a four combat system.
Enter the LINK-16 since the era, which supports the exchange of information between the fighter's ability to better, so fighter is more sharing of information between Czech and convenience, LINK-16 data link among the lead aircraft to the fleet can be made ​​by any member Empress Empress investigate specific target, attack, and out of combat orders, receiving fighter attack can also be conveyed back to the state of fighting, including the ongoing exploration target is the target of attacks, whether the target is hit, quit fighting and so on, China's Air Force ago exercises soon appeared AWACS to be "shot down" fighter successor to boot subjects, so JF-17B may also be equipped with such a data link, so ZDK-03 AWACS air marshals information can be provided to the first JF-17B , then by the latter to the formation of other single-seat JF-17 fighter aircraft, thus reducing the ZDK-03 command guidance staff workload. Mount WMD-7 pods of JF-17 single-seat, pay attention to the right of the pod

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JF-17B Another important task is to combat precision ground attack, although JF-17 is equipped with a country on WMD-7 optical targeting pod, which is equipped with a forward-looking red detection system, CCD cameras, laser designator / rangefinder system , with target detection, identification, tracking and locking capabilities, you can put laser-guided bombs and other precision-guided weapons to attack ground targets, but if you make a single-seater both low altitude penetration, but also the search target, then put weapon attacks goal, a heavier burden, especially after the launch of laser bombs, but also to maintain the state to prevent a bomb off the lock, thus limiting aircraft maneuverability, reduced aircraft maneuverability and battlefield survivability, more should be a safe way illuminate the target aircraft at low altitude, high-altitude aircraft bomb and then another one immediately after the maneuver to escape, while the JF-17B due to the increase of a pilot, more suitable for low-level radiation such work.

JF-17 launch H-4 Standoff Attack Missile imagine Figure JF-17B

there is a function not fail to mention that standoff, South Africa, Pakistan, the use of technology, successfully developed H-4 type standoff ground missiles, it TV-guided bomb is based on the installation of solid rocket motors, data links, wing glider is made, you can take advantage of people in the loop control to achieve after launch lock feature, which is the advantage of a long range, can reach 120 km, The second is the high accuracy, the pilot can select the target against the weak parts, and according to the image before hitting the target evaluate the effects of combat, since H-4 has exceeded most of the Indian anti-aircraft missiles, it can be in each other's air defense system outside the range of important goals to fight each other, but this kind of work, single-seat pilot, it may be too heavy, so basically launching some of these missiles are mostly two-seat fighter-bomber or bombers. JF-17B is clearly a better carrier aircraft. JF-17 held imagination figure out RAAD

Also JF-17B can also be equipped with self-developed lightning Pakistan standoff munitions cloth tear system, from the picture point of view, lightning Standoff Munitions Dispenser system uses a stealth design, turbo-fan engine, a range of over 300 kilometers, the system weighs 1100 kg, of which warhead weighs 450 kilograms, can attack each other airports, ports, communication centers and other important goals, such JF-17B will have the ability to attack targets deep in India.
JF-17B model is also mounted C-802AK air-launched anti-ship missiles, and that it also has the ability of anti-ship missiles, C-802AK range can reach 180 km, can suppress the Indian Air Force air defense of existing vessels, in addition JF -17B is equipped with more advanced data link, you can achieve information sharing between formations, so JF-17B can get access to the target radar information is then passed to the other fighters, providing them with objective guidance, providing formation attack capability.
So for PAF speaking, JF-17B does not just simply adds a trainer, and raise for the troops to provide a more complete operational capability, but also let JF-17/FC-1 more perfect models, but also improve its competitiveness

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Google translation sucks, not a single sentence in the whole article that makes any sense
 
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Probably posted here before,

Azerbaijani President writing a couple of lines during the defense expo.

One more thing, the original poster also wrote that 2 countries have done some flight trials in Pakistan...

does anyone have more info on that?
 

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