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China's national aircraft exporter is seeking to expand its market share by selling more advanced planes to foreign clients, according to an executive from the company.

"We have started development of the two-seater FC-1 Fierce Dragon and plan to introduce it to the international market in three to four years," Ma Zhiping, general manager of China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corp, said at the 50th International Paris Air Show.

The Paris event, which claims to be the world's oldest and largest air show, was established in 1909 and is held every other year at Le Bourget Airport in northern Paris.

"Many potential buyers have told us they hope we can produce a two-seater variant of the FC-1 Fierce Dragon. We are in negotiations with several countries on their purchases," Ma said. "We hope at least one contract can be signed this year."

He added the likely deal will involve a considerable number of FC-1s.

"Around two years ago, I said we had hoped we could sell 300 FC-1s within five years. Now two years have passed and the sales record gives me full confidence of achieving this goal."

Ma's company is the biggest State-owned enterprise exporting aviation defense products and has a strong presence in the global military aircraft market. It is run under the Aviation Industry Corp of China (AVIC), the country's leading aircraft manufacturer.

The FC-1 Fierce Dragon is a third-generation multi-role combat aircraft developed by AVIC in cooperation with the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, the leading aviation company in Pakistan.

The aircraft has gained recognition from its Pakistani users.

"During my trips to many countries, almost everyone I met would ask me about the aircraft. Many said they want to join this project," Air Marshal Sohail Gul Khan, chairman of the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, told China Daily.

Compared with the single-seat FC-1, the two-seater will have better aerodynamic design and more advanced avionic systems. It can be used as a trainer aircraft and will outperform the single-seat model in terms of air-to-surface strikes, Ma said.

Another aircraft highlighted by the Chinese exporter at the Paris show is the L-15 Falcon, a third-generation advanced trainer aircraft also developed by AVIC.

Ma said the L-15 Falcon is among the few trainer jets in the world capable of supersonic flight. It has an advanced fly-by-wire flight control system and other state-of-the-art avionic devices. Beside its role as a trainer aircraft, it has multiple functions such as aerial combat and air-to-surface strike capability, according to Ma.

He said a contract to sell six L-15s to an unnamed African nation was signed at the end of last year.

Chinese aircraft have taken a considerable share of the trainer-jet market, with about 300 JL-8s — a two-seater intermediate jet trainer and light-attack aircraft — being operated around the world, Ma said.

Aircraft exporter to spread its wings abroad |Sci-Tech |chinadaily.com.cn
 
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 February 14, the third opening of the Singapore Airshow. In this year's Singapore Airshow, China Aviation Technology Import and Export Corporation exhibited portability Xiaolong, L-15, unmanned aerial vehicles and other military aircraft model pterosaur exhibitors. Although this is not a real machine Xiaolong fighters to Singapore Airshow scene, but still causes Xiaolong States aviation, especially the Third World countries' attention.

  Significantly improved short term will not appear Xiaolong fighter

  Since Xiaolong fighter air show debut in Dubai last year, when it launched Xiaolong fighter variant has been the focus of everyone's attention. But the time to participate in the air show CATIC staff expressed, Xiaolong fighter will not have a substantial short-term improved appearance. However, the staff also said Xiaolong fighters have been in the transformation, the transformation project is mainly electronic system details. Staff said that since Xiaolong fighter since its debut, the details of improvements have been carried out up to hundreds. Xiaolong fighter located in third world countries with high price to win, not like the West as the pursuit of the most advanced fighter concepts and the most advanced technology. Because the majority of users affected by the economic conditions of potential buyers and maintain the level of constraints, it is difficult conservation that "the pursuit of fashionable" advanced fighters.

  Russian-made fighter Xiaolong fighter will not affect sales

  When CATIC booth mention Russian fighter Xiaolong fighter will affect the overseas market, the exhibition's staff said the Xiaolong fighter's goal is alternative third world countries active MiG-21, Mirage -3, etc. The second generation of single-engine light aircraft. At present the Russian military exports are mostly of double heavy Sukhoi fighter Xiaolong fighter with the positioning is completely different. In addition, Xiaolong fighter when exported, with the transfer of technology Xiaolong fighter is now one of the major selling point.

  Xiaolong fighter is quite advanced electronic equipment

  Currently, the world average for the active third-generation fighter for electronic upgrades. In this year's Singapore Airshow Boeing, Raytheon and other companies have made third-generation fighter electronic equipment upgrade program. In this regard, staff on the front reported Xiaolong fighter future electronic equipment upgrades question asked CATIC staff. He said Xiaolong fighter is quite advanced electronic devices, currently equipped with the PLA fighters compared to the absolute is among the most advanced one. For the Third World in the low-end customers, can be described as "functional to just think of them, but they made no can not meet." Face facelift States Air Force active phased array radar trends show side said that the Third World countries may need the short term, but once the proposed requirements to currently existing body you can dress up and do not require a large improvement. In addition, the future use of domestic Ray Stone -6 positioning systems and other precision guided weapons can also be mounted on Xiaolong fighter. (Liu Xuan)

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Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC-1 fighter
Richard D Fisher Jr, Paris - IHS Jane's Defence Industry
23 June 2013

Officials from Argentine aerospace company Fabrica Argentina de Aviones (FAdeA) told IHS Jane's at the 2013 Paris Air Show they have had multiple discussions with Chinese officials over potential co-production of the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) FC-1/JF-17 multirole combat aircraft.
Discussions are far from concluded, with FAdeA officials saying "technology transfer" issues remain a sticking point. Nonetheless, the discussions are the first formal effort that could lead to the co-production of a modern Chinese fighter in Latin America. FAdeA officials said the co-produced FC-1 could be called the 'Pulqui-III', recalling FAdeA's Pulqui-II, Latin America's first swept wing jet fighter, which was designed by Germany's Kurt Tank for the government of Juan Peron


VIA Gul Khan saheb at pakdef...
 
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Regarding its ECM.....

keep in mind that South Korea marketed its ALQ-200 DRFM based system to PAF in 2004-05, since the system is based on American ew tech, the Americans blocked the sale. But skeptics believe South Koreans sold its components instead of the podded version.


A typical example is the ALQ-200, an external radar jammer manufactured by LIG Nex1. The Agency for Defense Development (ADD) has promoted the ALQ-200, which, when attached to the underside of an aircraft, detects radar waves coming from enemy missiles and scrambles them, as its own technology, but the United States suspects the technology was pirated. In particular, the U.S. was reportedly shocked when South Korea pushed to export the technology to Pakistan, where it might be installed on Chinese-made fighters, and plans to export the jammer were canceled.

http://www.pakdef.or...e-5#entry193430


And then, this is from the horse's mouth....

For self-defense JF-17 has a fully integrated system for electronic battle that according to Group Captain Ahsan is not of Chinese origin. The system comes with all of the earth equipment package, which is crucial for independent use, primarily for the "construction" of data bases on opposing signals radar / air defense systems and the development of techniques for their interference. The system consists of a central control unit and four subsystems, radar detector irradiation (RWR), detectors approaching missiles (Maws), launchers, IR and radar decoys and distractor. At Airshow China 2012 plane is presented with a distractor KG-300G but still not confirmed if that was used by Pakistan's Air Force. According to the brochure, the system is highly customizable and can be fully integrated with other subsystems such as RWR or Maws.


http://www.hrvatski-...pages/jf-17.asp

these kind of posts should be directly posted in the info pool aswell :)
 
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Quoting Sir P. Shamim from pakdef...

As reported by HKhan, air refuelling tests will start this summer. Ground testing of the the probes is about to be completed.

This is good news. In spite of all the bad news recently, it looks like the development is moving forward.
 
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Indra ALR-400 RWR (equipped on jf-17, F/A-18, EA-18G, Tiger attack heli, A-400M, CH-53 Stallion, NH-90 heli to name a few..)


ALR-400 incorporates proven leading edge wide band digital reception. High speed digitization techniques and sophisticated
parallel process algorithms addressing both real time and frequency domains allow for precise minimal false alarm ALR-400 can be supported with Indra ground support test, post flight analysis, and threat library management systems.

Indra’s electronic warfare ground support systems provide end testing, complete Through a reduced parts count and
an intensive use of COTS, including programmable processors, combined with a rapid COTS insertion approach, ALR-400 has an improved reliability, low life cycle costs and enhanced supportability.

An open architecture provides for modular isolated standard interfaces, such as MIL-STD- 1553B, communications serial port, USB, ARINC-429 and 100BaseT fast ethernet. The radar warner processor can host the defence aid computer (DAC) function enabling control and integration, pulse to pulse parameter measurements. The high processing throughput ensures
performances in high pulse densities as well as keeping a low latency for rapid response and thus effectively supporting
countermeasures. This technology results in a simpler architecture, providing outstanding performances and maximising the probability of intercept while giving away the need for any collaborative narrow band receivers or dedicated devices.


Features..

* Effective early warning in modern scenarios
* Wide band digital reception and processing technology
* Pulse to pulse frequency measurement, including intra-pulse modulation characteristics
* Multi continuous wave scenarios and LPI radar detection capabilities
* Reduced part count and intensive use of COTS
* Improved reliability, low life cycle costs and enhanced supportability
* Open architecture with modular isolated standard interfaces
* Control and integration of a full selfprotection suite
* Emitter library, mission file and flight stored data upload and download
* Full equipment sovereignty, allowing end users to independently operate, maintain and upgrade


http://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&r...AyUGJgslw6T-0dr_nCQtuBA&bvm=bv.49784469,d.Yms
 
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The current dealings of INDRA are confined to ATC systems. Considering that its a private equity like SAAB it must declare that a transaction took place. Even SAAB has to acknowledge when a transfer of systems took place if it does not name the customer because that has to show up in the directors annual report for shareholders. So quite likely this system is being looked at but has not been purchased yet.

What is however of note is what I have been saying in the difference between what is the FC-1 and what is the JF-17 and how that matters in export. The JF-17 configuration is quite different to the FC-1 being marketed and comes with all the customizations and expertize of the PAF in making electronic Frankenstein solutions for combat avionics.
 
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And more, by that interview of Mr Ma. it seems that the PAF's orders are also counted as sales(or are done so for face saving). Which basically means that they really dont hope to sell any more of these aircraft simply because its the right aircraft for the PAF but for the rest of the world it is the right aircraft at the wrong time.

Rest assured though, the ECM system on the JF-17 that was tested initially was quite promising as well and that is also from the very same horse's mouth.
 
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