JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[CriticalThought]

So I came across this simulation which seems to give a very, very low rating to Pl-12 and a low rating to PL-15 when they are used at around max range, while showing AMRAAM to be vastly superior because of pilot tactics and training as well as technological superiority

NOTE: I shared another simulation by this guy in the 'Azm thread.

In the video under discussion in this post, amongst other things, he is saying that PL-15, although having a superior range, will arrive on target at max range with very little energy left and can be easily evaded by sharp maneuvering towards the ground. Compare this with what I posted here:

JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

What % of each block is built from composite materials? Since its conception, did CAC/PAC targeted a set % of the plane to be built from composite materials? Sorry, not the right place, the project was never conceived as a high and fast and far flyer.

defence.pk

I believe the youtube video only gives partial information. You dive down to force the missile to follow, and then gain altitude to force the missile left with little energy to fight against gravity.

Interestingly, these limitations should apply to AMRAAM as well. I believe the video is hiding even more information. That 'superior tactic' of 'experienced USAF pilots', might just be the use of two AMRAAMS against a single target, with one aiming for high altitude and the other aiming for low altitude at the target. Now, the pilot has virtually no escape route left.

@SQ8 I wish to bring this to the notice of PAF bosses.

 

[Trango Towers]

JF17C is a major upgrade over the JF17A just like the F16C was a major upgrade over the F16A

Its jf17 block 3
Not jf17 C

 

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Its jf17 blow 3
Not jf17 C

Then why is the two seater JF-17 called the B?

 

[Trango Towers]

Then why is the two seater JF-17 called the B?

B is the twin seat and it's not block 2.
Come on man think

 

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B is the twin seat and it's not block 2.
Come on man think

It's not Block III either and using F16 terminology even numbered letters like B,D,F are reserved for 2 seaters

 

[Trango Towers]

It's not block III either and using F16 terminology even numbered letters like B,D,F are reserved for 2 seaters

Its not an f16

Its a jf17. Block 1 2 and 3
Why are you still at gora worship

 

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its not an f16...

The whole JF17 project was inspired by the F16 and it's manufacturing process. It's only natural they will be borrowing terminology. The F-16 was also probably the first US fighter whose production variants were differentiated by "Blocks"

 

[m52k85]

are those dual racks + PL-15s I see?

Yes they are PL-15s on dual racks. Thats the first thing I checked when the picture of the patch came out and now this. PL-15 has clipped mid-body wings, while PL-10s dont.

 

[Zarvan]

Lol @Zarvan , you keep making threads without any solid/official confirmation.

Dude I had full confirmation. I can tell eight JF-17 have been handed over to PAF. They will be fully inducted when at least 8 to 12 more jets are ready to form a squadron. The FTC tests have been completed and handed over to PAF. Now you want me to share more details then I can't. Seriously not interested in getting picked up. Even if you would have seen 7th September show of Bol News which never got shown on TV for some reason but its pictures came out even in that several JF-17 BLOCK III were getting ready and that show was done in September.

 

[m52k85]

That centerline A2a missile is a real curiosity.

Well, the centerline was previously reserved for a SPJ, but that can now go on the intake hp. However, I understand a different release mechanism is adopted for missiles on a fuselage hardpoint, one that involves a 'push-off' system vs 'sliding' mechanism on a wing launcher. It is indeed interesting if part of the Blk 3 development involved that as well.

 

[araz]

That centerline A2a missile is a real curiosity. Essentially allowing it to exceed the missile carriage capacity of the F-16(in a way since the F-16 can carry AMRAAMs on all its wired stations)
If they actually wired the plumbed hardpoints it could go to 10 air to air missiles matching the vanilla max air to air load of the Rafale.

However, the Eurofighter tested a dual meteor rack that allows it to carry 14 air to air missiles which could theoretically be used on the Rafale to give it the same payload.

Agreed but in my humble opinion it would be dick measuring. No sane pilot would fly in with a full load of BVRs/WVRs. 4+2 is the most likely we will see in any air engagement. Even that would be a major achievement for the JFT.. The EFT was once flown with a fullload at farnborough and basically flew like a brick. You would need to jetison all the load and run if a BVR was fired at you. My 2 paisas worth.
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[Ali_Baba]

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Dude I had full confirmation. I can tell eight JF-17 have been handed over to PAF. They will be fully inducted when at least 8 to 12 more jets are ready to form a squadron. The FTC tests have been completed and handed over to PAF. Now you want me to share more details then I can't. Seriously not interested in getting picked up. Even if you would have seen 7th September show of Bol News which never got shown on TV for some reason but its pictures came out even in that several JF-17 BLOCK III were getting ready and that show was done in September.

Very interesting picture - it seems to suggest that Block III has all hardpoints wired for missile carrying capabilities. The above picture is an "official picture" and reflects some lessons learned on the need to carry more AAM's on the plane itself. We had some interviews from JF-17 pilots on hushkit who said they wanted more missiles on the plane - guess that fed through and was finally actioned. Logically to me, there is no reason why the inner points cannot also carry PL-15s if they have been wired up for CM-400 missiles aswell (ie MIL-SRD-1760 based hardpoint) - though it would require all of the testing to be certified, ie release testing etc.

5 PL-15s is an impressive load for sure. 7 ( or 9 if the inner hardpoints can also carry dual racks but it feels like an unrealistic scenario to me ) makes it the plane we have all been waiting for and i suspect alot of external customers aswell.

The lack of a fuel tank on that payload does suggest a mission profile that requires more air-to-air refuellers. So - is the next purchase of completing the "set" the procurement of Y-20 refuellers for both the J10CP and JF17 Block IIIs? Pakistan only has 4 based on the IL-78 platform. ( It is odd to see an official picture with no fuel tanks ! ).

While there are no new fancy high resolution pictures that we all wanted - the above picture actually answers "all the questions of concern to me personally" - ie PL15 integration and finally dual rack deployment on the JF17.

 

[Zarvan]

The poster doesn't depicts induction and that was your thread all about and lol about your confirmation just like your Su-35 shit confirmed claims.

8 Jets have been inducted. PAF when says induction that means fully squadron that hasn't happened yet. 8 jets handed over they would fly with PAF now and when 8 to 10 more will be handed over then they would formally inducted into an squadron. 8 Jets are inducted but not added in a squadron. Now you want to go in some hilarious technicalities of words then I can't do anything about it. PAF has gotten 8 BLOCK III jets and that is the bottom-line here.

 

[GiG]

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Dude I had full confirmation. I can tell eight JF-17 have been handed over to PAF. They will be fully inducted when at least 8 to 12 more jets are ready to form a squadron. The FTC tests have been completed and handed over to PAF. Now you want me to share more details then I can't. Seriously not interested in getting picked up. Even if you would have seen 7th September show of Bol News which never got shown on TV for some reason but its pictures came out even in that several JF-17 BLOCK III were getting ready and that show was done in September.

First taxi test indicates that they are not flight ready yet

 

[Riz]

First taxi test indicates that they are not flight ready yet

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