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But the problem BVR AAMs. What Western BVR AAM is available to Western Thunder Blk3 as compared to PL15 on Chineese Thunder Blk 3?Hi,
A test aircraft must be produced with all western avionics and then tested against the chinese package---
That article is referring to the LKF601E (before it was given the name). Until now, NRIET was just showing the KLJ-7A as-is (liquid cooled), but at some point, offered the PAF an air cooled version. Let's hope they changed the TRMs from GaA to GaN too (fully optimize it for light weight and compact internal space).
The issue to think of is that since the KLJ-7A was introduced in 2015-16 ... it has been over 4 years. Without being inducted on any production version fighter till date. It is possible that work continued on improving it and tailoring it according to PAF needs ... during that period.Klj7A will be liquid cooled. There is error commited by alan warnes in the article.
So KLJ7A=>RBE 2? Blk3 EW=>Spectra? PL15=>Meteor?The issue to think of is that since the KLJ-7A was introduced in 2015-16 ... it has been over 4 years. Without being inducted on any production version fighter till date. It is possible that work continued on improving it and tailoring it according to PAF needs ... during that period.
I have heard Air Commodore. (R) Sajjad Haider say on air that from now on PAF will enjoy first shoot capability over IAF even with their having Rafale.
I have also read Air Commodore (R) Kaiser Tufail's tweet that Block-III will be at par with the Rafale in AA exchanges.
So I am at ease with a feeling that at least over Pakistani skies ... the Block-III will not be at a dis-advantage vis-a-vis the IAF Rafale.
The issue to think of is that since the KLJ-7A was introduced in 2015-16 ... it has been over 4 years. Without being inducted on any production version fighter till date. It is possible that work continued on improving it and tailoring it according to PAF needs ... during that period.
I have heard Air Commodore. (R) Sajjad Haider say on air that from now on PAF will enjoy first shoot capability over IAF even with their having Rafale.
I have also read Air Commodore (R) Kaiser Tufail's tweet that Block-III will be at par with the Rafale in AA exchanges.
So I am at ease with a feeling that at least over Pakistani skies ... the Block-III will not be at a dis-advantage vis-a-vis the IAF Rafale.
Oh brother,So KLJ7A=>RBE 2? Blk3 EW=>Spectra? PL15=>Meteor?
Someone posted that tweet on this forum.Can you give me that tweet???
Don't need to have KLJ-7A >= RBE 2 AESA (Comparable is good enough)So KLJ7A=>RBE 2? Blk3 EW=>Spectra? PL15=>Meteor?
Someone posted that tweet on this forum.
After 27th Feb I think.About when???
Very rightly said, sorry for the following off topic example mods,I hate talking about the Rafale in a JF17 thread.. but, here goes.....
France has done a good piece of PR with the Rafale EW system by giving it a unique name and identity called Spectra thereby seeming to give it mythical capabilities. Libya was/is not a good example of how Rafale will fair in any PAF/IAF environment, so lets put that one to bed. Think of Spectra as an integrated DFRM/EW Sensor suite/receiver setup and you can see that most people by now have replicated its functionality. "Spectra" has been around for a while and its secrets are fairly well understood in the defence community... I firmly believe that the JF17 Block III will have EW capabilities on par with the Rafales Spectra......
At this time, China is throwing alot lot more money and a lot lot more scientists at EW than France is, and i can actually see China having already surpassed French EW capabilities and are now almost reaching parity with the USA. The problem France has, she is thinly spread as she is trying to do everything and she does not have the customer anymore to support her industries and therefore can spend less and less on R&D. Its a cyclical thing, and the IAF order was the last magical roll of the dice for the Rafale/France. Their stealth lead platform is on a road to no where when the Germans pullout ...
Don't forget, the king of the hill for military EW capabilities is the USA given its technical depth. China is second. The rest is up for grabs ...
China's aviation military technology has suprassed Frances. Be under no illusion about that, and China is now sharing some of her secrets with Pakistan, which of course is good for PAF and bad for IAF.
The real question is, can Indian industries reach Chinas level of scientific progress that will be reflected in her military capabilities, we all know the answer.. Spoiler alert.. the answer is NO !!!
If range has some significant increase, we can expect to see PN also ordering some.Hopefully spec for block 3 will come available I mean in terms of load improvements especially if wingtip has now capability to carry heavier sd-10 and if two under intake pylons were added or just single
Two would mean both ldp and jammer can be carried w/o sacrificing other pylons
Lastly internal fuel capacity increase the most critical, read an article on old mig-29 which specified early mig low internal fuel with 100/200kg consumed in takeoff by two engines leaving xxxx kg for mission and at least 2/300 kg unusable fuel in tanks for fuel pressure so Even thrust to weight ratio at take off os low after take off You are in better ratio due to afteron burner takeoff
Anyway expecting 200-400 kg of additional internal fuel in block 3 which may have normal tanks like block 1/2 plus additional tanks like B model
Bring internal fuel to 2500-2800 kg internal fuel this would require just one CEnterline drop tank to give good range for a2g role plus carry sd-10 and pl5 with a2g load
Time will tell
Hence why GaN proves useful in this scenario, i hope the radar selected incorporates GaN tech.In addition, the air-cooled radar has a problem that is not easy to solve, that is, as the altitude rises, the air density becomes thinner, which causes its heat dissipation capacity to decrease sharply.
According to relevant empirical values, at an altitude of 35,000 feet, the air flow of the air-cooled system will be reduced to 40% of the sea level.