Japan Defence Forum

[Aepsilons]

Relax, i can understand coz our ppl draw another J20 vs F2 CG to fight back. (won't show here)

There is no doubt of the sophistication and power of Chinese military hardware.

 

[ViXuyen]

This will be the first Japan will export any of our submarines for use in foreign militaries. For export price, it should be around 540-545 million USD. The Aussies are serious on their submarine acquisition program and our two countries' defense ministers are meeting this month.

As for Vietnam, i believe that there are future possibilities !

I doubt that the export price is $545 million USD. However, if Japan is willing to sell at a friendly price of $545 million usd; Viet Nam is definitely looking forward to buy it because our Navy is looking at the Amur-class submarines and the Amur submarine is around $500 million usd

 

[Aepsilons]

I doubt that the export price is $545 million USD. However, if Japan is willing to sell at a friendly price of $545 million usd; Viet Nam is definitely looking forward to buy it because our Navy is looking at the Amur-class submarines and the Amur submarine is around $500 million usd

I think that the Amur class would be a much better purchase for the Vietnamese, realistically speaking. The Amur class as it is already an export version for the Russian Navy's Lada class of subs. Currently, the Japan MSDF is the sole owner and operator of our Soryu Class, and the Liberal Democratic Party will need to convince members in Parliament to allow export sales of this sub. The opposition claim that exporting of such machines carries a risk because it will allow foreign militaries to identify signals of Soryu class subs. But in my opinion, such is a trait of a myopic viewpoint.

I can understand some of our politicians' opposition since this will be the first japanese military sales export since the end of the pacific war. I'm sure when these hurdles are addressed, we can see more military sales and even defense cooperation with other friendly countries.

 

[atatwolf]

Relax, i can understand coz our ppl draw another J20 vs F2 CG to fight back. (won't show here)

Yea, NATO copied F-35 by looking at J20. Chinese tech is so advanced and ahead of its time that F-35 doesn't have the components the Chinese J20 has. F-35 is just bare empy copy of the J20

 

[cnleio]

Yea, NATO copied F-35 by looking at J20. Chinese tech is so advanced and ahead of its time that F-35 doesn't have the components the Chinese J20 has. F-35 is just bare empy copy of the J20

Don't copy my former comment, wolf. Let the time to prove whether F-35 will become dead F-117, there'r ways to catch it on the sky when F35 face Russia or China air-defense system.

 

[atatwolf]

Don't copy my former comment, wolf. Let the time to prove whether F-35 will become dead F-117, there'r ways to catch it on the sky when F35 face Russia or China air-defense system.

Are you bipolar or just being Chinese? In case of war the Chinese J20 will be shot down by F35 before it can get even near. J20 might look the same as F-35 but it is completely missing the tech that makes it superior. Chinese just show off with paper tigers. A real regional power doesn't need to do that. I never see US show off for example.

 

[Aepsilons]

Are you bipolar or just being Chinese? In case of war the Chinese J20 will be shot down by F35 before it can get even near. J20 might look the same as F-35 but it is completely missing the tech that makes it superior. Chinese just show off with paper tigers. A real regional power doesn't need to do that. I never see US show off for example.

Objectively, a 2009 leak of F35 program was said to have contributed to the J20 program. Lockheed Martin and Cyberwarefare specialists employed by the US have traced the hacking back to China. Whether this remains true or not, there is no doubt to the fact that China is in need of countermeasures to address the threat of the F-35s.

The problem with the J20 is that , as it stands, remains a prototype. The F-35s are operational . In fact, Japan has already ordered 42 to be included into the arsenal of the JASDF. With another 30-40 of the F-35B variant for use in the JMSDF.
We will have operational F-35s in our arsenal even before the P.R.C can have the J-20 in its inventory.

This , of course, does not include the unreleased number of US F-35As and F-35Bs to be stationed in Japan and South Korea.

 

[cnleio]

Are you bipolar or just being Chinese? In case of war the Chinese J20 will be shot down by F35 before it can get even near. J20 might look the same as F-35 but it is completely missing the tech that makes it superior. Chinese just show off with paper tigers. A real regional power doesn't need to do that. I never see US show off for example.

I misunderstand what Chinese show off J20 ? Just tell enough about F35 shoot down J20 blablabla... in here, didn't u ? I have said the time will give the answer between F35 and J20, i don't wanna talk more about un-happened thing.

Is F35 much better than F22 fighter ? As far as i know F22 also crashed thrice in America due to design issues, the time told the truth there's no any perfect fighter here. Was F117 ever a secret weapon before shot down ? the time also told the truth there's no super-aircraft, the ppl will find ways to anti-stealth. Did RQ-170 caught by Iran? the time finally told the truth GPS is not safety, the ppl has found ways to disturb GPS signal. Who has above tech ?

Did u know the detail specification of J20 ? AESA radar ? Jet engine ? If no, pls shut up.

BTW J20 will close prototype test and turn into mass production, Chinese never compare J20 with F35 it's not our design aim, our target is the F22. Whatever u believe or not, PLAAF will equip J20 fighters before 2020.

Keep going on F35, i just drinking my tea.

 

[tranquilium]

This is almost an exact copy of the wikipedia page. You may need to include the links to the page:

Type 90 Kyū-maru - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And you forgot a key section:

Manufacturing cost
The Type 90 has an approximate unit cost of 790 million Japanese yen or approximately 7.4 million US dollars at 2008 exchange rates.

 

[pigtaker]

Okie dokie citizen of copying nation. Be happy with you cheap stolen sub-standard junk ..lol

of course we are happy, those cheap sub-standard junk makes un No 2 economy in the wolrd and hold the world's largest foreing reserves. a achivement indians could only daydreams. do you have problem with that?

save your sub-sahara style of incompetence whinning.

 

[MightyDragon]

Are you bipolar or just being Chinese? In case of war the Chinese J20 will be shot down by F35 before it can get even near. J20 might look the same as F-35 but it is completely missing the tech that makes it superior. Chinese just show off with paper tigers. A real regional power doesn't need to do that. I never see US show off for example.

F-35 should be a good attacker, but the main problem is many countries try to use this bulky and clumsy jet as an air superiority fighter...
I can only wish them the best of luck

 

[cnleio]

F-35 should be a good attacker, but the main problem is many countries try to use this bulky and clumsy jet as an air superiority fighter...
I can only wish them the best of luck

Why not F35 vs J31 ? Why ppl always ignore J31 prototype?
This baby had flied for 2x years it's a good stealth aircraft at least also can hide 4x missils inside weapons bay. 2x RD-93 jet engines not bad from Mig-29.

 

[Viet]

@Hu Songshan

there are many Japanese threads opened by our new friend nihonjin. what do you think of merging them into one, two or three sticky threads:

navy, airforce, ground force, etc...

a better solution is creating a whole new section: Japan defence

Something like that.


A Soryu-Class is worth 540 million USD per sub.

@ViXuyen ,

Here is a Soryu Class:

hopefully Japan government changes the policy soon and allows export of modern weapons to friendly countries.
Vietnam needs more subs to counter Chinese surface fleet.

 

[xyxmt]

God save US defense industry now that Japan is getting into it

 

[Oldman1]

Take it as poetic license, my friend. The artist was probably an ultra nationalist. Both our countries are not lacking in those type of people. But we have to be level headed. Just friendly , healthy rivalry.

Ah the picture war that the Chinese likes to boast about.