Jamaat terms Hakeemullah a ‘martyr’

[jaunty]

If they truly wanted to, they can kill all Afghans.

Let me ask you something: What kind of future do you want for your country? Honestly.

Beware of the jamatis in BD too but you seem to favor them.

 

[Malang Badshah]

This is for you @Patriots

 

[EasyNow]

Brother the problem with most of the people (though not all) on this forum is that this PDF forum is being dominated by the people who adhere to the ideology called nationalism. As per this ideology no matter how much unjust or unfair your country is, no matter how much injustice your country does the nationalist never ever accepts the wrongdoing of his country. He always support his country no matter what and in this support he becomes totally blind to the truth.

Similarly the nationalists here are not willing to accept any wrongdoing or injustice or zulm on the part of the Pakistani state because they have been blinded by the unislamic and prejudiced ideology of nationalism.

Let me give you an example. If these nationalists are asked as to who is more worthy of being the leader of Muslims between Mulla Omar and Jinnah I can assure you that these nationalists will all vouch for Jinnah to be more worthy of leadership even though all of us know that Jinnah was an irreligious man and as per shariah he would qualify as a fasiq ie open sinner while Mulla Omar is a great mujahid, an alim, extremely pious man in short he can be called a Wali Allah but these nationalists will prefer Jinnah more worthy of leadership just because of the biased and prejudiced ideology of nationalism. Had these nationalists believed in the Islamic ideology they would never ever prefer Jinnah as a leader over a true Muslim and mujahid like Mulla Omar.

This is the reason why nationalism has been condemned in Islam because it gives preference to the so-called nation state and fellow countrymen over Islam and Muslim Ummah.

Wow!! That is some genius logic you have there.

Jinnah is a so-called sinner so he is not worthy of your respect (ignore the fact that you owe him largely for the country you're sitting in while doing so). His intellect, personality, decency and courage have no value in your mind but on the other hand Mullah Omar, a man nobody knows anything about except for rumours and stories - he is a hero to you? You are pledging your faith (and your hereafter) to some man based on stories you heard. How do you know he is an Alim, what do you know about his Islami education, his habits, his flaws and his personality? You will gamble your nation's future on someone you don't know anything about while dissing Jinnah, whose life was an open book to you. You are blindly following Omar and his buddies and you accuse everyone else of being blind to the truth!

You are also completely wrong about nationalists too. It is the nationalists here who are constantly critisizing their leaders. It is nationalists who demand explanations and action from leaders, when the drone strikes land it is nationalists who have been condemning it. On the other hand when have mullahs ever had the guts to criticise their bosses? Your mullahs do what they want to whoever they want, do you ever question them. They kill thousands of women and children, did you ever have the balls to condemn them. You are the ones who allow the most disgusting acts to happen and ignore them in the name of religion.

Mark my words, if they are killing Shia's Christians and soldiers today. Tomorrow they will kill liberals, moderates and anyone who disagrees with them. And finally when everyone else is dead they will turn on you because you did not fight alongside them - that day try to get on the internet and moan about it. Try complaining when they force you to keep a beard, ban music and films. When they stop your sister from going to school or from seeing a male doctor (as there will be no female doctors because they were not allowed to study). You can also moan when you have no food or oil or electricity because no one wants to co-operate with your country. Try to criticise your leaders the way you can today with the help of your nationalist brothers and see how long it takes to get a Mullah Omar approved bullet in your mouth.

As you seem to understand things in one-dimension only, maybe this outlook will appeal to you:

"No prophet was sent but that he warned his followers against the one-eyed liar (Ad-Dajjal). Beware! He is blind in one eye, and your Lord is not so, and there will be written between his (Ad-Dajjal's) eyes (the word) Kafir (i.e. disbeliever)."
[Sahih Al-Bukhari, 9.245

One eyed liar, right eye is pierced.. ring any bells?! Has anyone checked Omar's forehead lately...

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Call you're biased views just that, views don't twist them into facts. Secondly you might have not seen or deliberately attempted to not notice but i commented on the fact that the likes of him can never be martyrs. And the majority even on the forum are saying this i don't know why you keep using this "the majority is always silent" slogan to prove how you are the only peace loving person that exists on planet earth and therefore stand on a higher moral ground.

How many people use internet in your country. the truth is majority is silent, minority is violent and rest of the religious minorities are scared.

 

[Aamna14]

How many people use internet in your country. the truth is majority is silent, minority is violent and rest of the religious minorities are scared.

Its not about how many people use internet in the country its how you paint things as you like them to be which is far from the reality on the ground.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Its not about how many people use internet in the country its how you paint things as you like them to be which is far from the reality on the ground.

No. Its how I see. A leader, religious leader is claiming that HM is a martyr, who is a bloody terrorist who killed Pakistanies and people listened to him in calm and quiet voice. What am i supposed to say ? People here dared to throw shoes to PM, FM. But same people had reacted violently, if some body screams " blasphemy" or over a film like " Innocent of Muslims ". is not it ?

 

[Aamna14]

No. Its how I see. A leader, religious leader is claiming that HM is a martyr, who is a bloody terrorist who killed Pakistanies and people listened to him in calm and quiet voice. What am i supposed to say ? People here dared to throw shoes to PM, FM. But same people had reacted violently, if some body screams " blasphemy" or over a film like " Innocent of Muslims ". is not it ?

Do you even want to know how things are or do you take delight in looking down upon others and claiming you stand on a higher moral ground since you already have the capability to know my answers before i even think or write them feel free to do so again and you can add as much rubbish to it as you like just the way you did before.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Do you even want to know how things are or do you take delight in looking down upon others and claiming you stand on a higher moral ground since you already have the capability to know my answers before i even think or write them feel free to do so again and you can add as much rubbish to it as you like just the way you did before.

Ya I want to know, why different reactions for these two issues and which issue is more dangerous to you ?

 

[Aamna14]

Ya I want to know, why different reactions for these two issues and which issue is more dangerous to you ?

No i disagree you don't want to know people who want to know don't give their verdicts beforehand and they don't speak for others either since you happen to really know my answers like i said you can add as much rubbish as you like to while claiming i support that but it won't affect me in the least. You don't want to hear anybody's opinion otherwise you wouldn't have said some of the things you did.

 

[Patriots]

This is for you @Patriots

It means Afghan Taliban are also involved in killings of innocent Muslims

 

[Biplab Bijay]

No i disagree you don't want to know people who want to know don't give their verdicts beforehand and they don't speak for others either since you happen to really know my answers like i said you can add as much rubbish as you like to while claiming i support that but it won't affect me in the least. You don't want to hear anybody's opinion otherwise you wouldn't have said some of the things you did.

No tell me. why different reactions ? I am waiting. Dont go round and round. Just a straight question. Why different reactions ?

 

[Aamna14]

No tell me. why different reactions ? I am waiting. Dont go round and round. Just a straight question. Why different reactions ?

I am not going round and round i am just telling you to let go of you're bias which apparently you are unable to and you were the one who claimed i have had different reactions in fact you even predetermined my responses so first start acting like you want to know somebody's opinion and then blame them thats what i meant. If you want to discuss anything in a civil manner then go ahead but speaking from experience the way you do you are not likely to hear out anybody else especially a Muslim and a Pakistani.

 

[Patriots]

I am not going round and round i am just telling you to let go of you're bias which apparently you are unable to and you were the one who claimed i have had different reactions in fact you even predetermined my responses so first start acting like you want to know somebody's opinion and then blame them thats what i meant.

Why are you wasting your energy to debate with this bias Indian troll ..........

 

[Biplab Bijay]

I am not going round and round i am just telling you to let go of you're bias which apparently you are unable to and you were the one who claimed i have had different reactions in fact you even predetermined my responses so first start acting like you want to know somebody's opinion and then blame them thats what i meant.

here you means your community. Your community started a strike because of a film called as "Innocent of Muslims", even destroyed public property. Here is a religious leader who is saying that a terrorist who is responsible for the death of thousands of pakistanis and I see no reaction, no protest, not even by the victims. What do you call it ?

 

[Aamna14]

here you means your community. Your community started a strike because of a film called as "Innocent of Muslims", even destroyed public property. Here is a religious leader who is saying that a terrorist who is responsible for the death of thousands of pakistanis and I see no reaction, no protest, not even by the victims. What do you call it ?

Why is it any of you're business if they are not protesting does everybody has to adhere to you're opinions on how things should be conducted? He is a leader you're right and how much people support him and his party is also not hidden from those living in this country why don't you protest against you're government when they kill Kashmiris or detain them for an uncertain amount of time even when they are protesting in a nonviolent fashion? Why doesn't the majority strive for the minority to have the same rights just because in this case the minority happens to be a Muslim one? Please, the moment you are ready to accept that you just have a made up mind and only like to spew venom against Muslims we can have a discussion before that you only are too unfair and baised to even logically comprehend an issue