J-10A & J-11B: Join Air Exercise

[Akasa]

As of right now, the J-11B is better in terms of airframe quality (more composite materials and better built quality = longer service life), versatility (fire both Chinese & Russian weapons) and some avionics systems (missile warning, wide angle holographic HUD etc.) . Su-30MKI has a better radar, Israeli ECW (& other foreign sub-systems) and perhaps better maneuverability (canard + TVC).

J-11B is better than the Su-30MKI's agility in terms of climb rate as well.

It's not only the canards and TVC that decide its maneuverability, but also the composites in its airframe and its thrust-to-weight ratio. J-11B has advantages in thrust-to-weight ratio and composites while Su-30MKI may have the edge in canards and TVC. But the J-15 will have canards.

Speaking of avionics, the J-11B's present radar can track and engage more targets than the Su-30MKI's radar. Both radars have around the same range, so the J-11B's ability to track and and engage more targets puts it ahead.

J-11B variants and J-15 will also be getting AESA radar.

 

[ao333]

J-11B is a Chinese-made Su-27SK; Su-30MKI is actually an upgrade by the Russians themselves...

You guys seriously think you can upgrade Sukhoi fighters better than Sukhoi? How delusional...

 

[tanlixiang28776]

J-11B is a Chinese-made Su-27SK; Su-30MKI is actually an upgrade by the Russians themselves...

You guys seriously think you can upgrade Sukhoi fighters better than Sukhoi? How delusional...

You're right what were we thinking.

We should do what Canadians do and build imitation M16s and forget building jets.

 

[CardSharp]

You're right what were we thinking.

We should do what Canadians do and build imitation M16s and forget building jets.

He's here to see how insecure he can make the various nationalities of this forum. Why prove him right? Let him have his fun with gambit and the Indians.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

He's here to see how insecure he can make the various nationalities of this forum. Why prove him right? Let him have his fun with gambit and the Indians.

Okay.

Sorry about the crack at Canadians which I doubt he even is.

 

[CardSharp]

Okay.

Sorry about the crack at Canadians which I doubt he even is.

No dude make fun of Canadians all you want, I just wanted to tell you what his agenda in this forum is.

You can probably start by making fun of how dead boring Canadian history is.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

No dude make fun of Canadians all you want, I just wanted to tell you what his agenda in this forum is.

Not really much too make fun of besides hockey. And yeah I noticed he pisses everyone off.

 

[Aramsogo]

J-11B is a Chinese-made Su-27SK; Su-30MKI is actually an upgrade by the Russians themselves...

You guys seriously think you can upgrade Sukhoi fighters better than Sukhoi? How delusional...

Why not ?? China does it successfully with higher performance high speed rail.

 

[SomeGuy]

As of right now, the J-11B is better in terms of airframe quality (more composite materials and better built quality = longer service life), versatility (fire both Chinese & Russian weapons) and some avionics systems (missile warning, wide angle holographic HUD etc.) . Su-30MKI has a better radar, Israeli ECW (& other foreign sub-systems) and perhaps better maneuverability (canard + TVC).

Canards and TVC may be to compensate for extra weight of MKI.

Also, don't forget about flight performance, these are important too.

A basic J-11A has better figures than MKI such as top speed, range, climb rate, combat ceiling, T/W ratio.
J-11B is likely to increase that gap further by reducing weight with composites and using WS-10A engines with increased thrust.
This would give the Kinematic advantage to J-11B

 

[Aramsogo]

Isn't J-11B suppose to have 2D TVC

 

[SomeGuy]

J-11B is a Chinese-made Su-27SK; Su-30MKI is actually an upgrade by the Russians themselves...

You guys seriously think you can upgrade Sukhoi fighters better than Sukhoi? How delusional...

No.

J-11 is the Chinese-made Su-27SK.

J-11A is a minor upgrade with some Chinese systems.

J-11B is a major upgrade. The only Russian systems left are the engines, but they too will eventually be replaced by WS-10A.

Only the external airframe is preserved.

 

[Akasa]

Isn't J-11B suppose to have 2D TVC

There isn't much info on that, even though some Chinese articles say so.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

No.

J-11 is the Chinese-made Su-27SK.

J-11A is a minor upgrade with some Chinese systems.

J-11B is a major upgrade. The only Russian systems left are the engines, but they too will eventually be replaced by WS-10A.

Only the external airframe is preserved.

J 11B already have WS 10A engines.

 

[Akasa]

J-11B is a Chinese-made Su-27SK; Su-30MKI is actually an upgrade by the Russians themselves...

You guys seriously think you can upgrade Sukhoi fighters better than Sukhoi? How delusional...

J-11B is an indigenous fighter that uses Chinese-developed technology except for airframe.

Su-30MKI is simply an upgrade of the Su-30MK, and is slightly the Su-30MKK, which the J-11B is intended to replace.

J-11B is eight times stealthier, has a better climb rate, has a higher thrust-to-weight ratio, more composites in airframe, and has a more powerful radar. J-11B also has full air-to-sea capability and it is also slated for AESA.

J-11B isn't a Sukhoi. The US classifies it apart from the Flanker family. The J-11B is a completely indigenous fighter apart from the airframes.

So, yes. It has surpassed the Su-30MKI. J-11B is more comparable to the Su-35BM.

 

[ptldM3]

This is total nonsense. If everything you said was remotely true, China would just buy PAK FA and Su-35. Russia is just in it for the money. Who has way more money, China or India ?? Russia is dying for Chinese aircraft orders, they just want sufficient size and not just an order for 1 plane.

It is total nonesense, Russia has been selling aircraft like hot cakes, look at the SU-30 for example. Not only is Russia finding new clients but it is also finding clients that has traditionally operated US aircraft. It's also no suprise that India and Russia have plans to purchase ~500 plus aircraft, mostly Sukhoi. And lets not forget all the upgrade Sukhoi and Mig performs.

J-11B is better than the Su-30MKI's agility in terms of climb rate as well.

It's not only the canards and TVC that decide its maneuverability, but also the composites in its airframe and its thrust-to-weight ratio. J-11B has advantages in thrust-to-weight ratio and composites while Su-30MKI may have the edge in canards and TVC. But the J-15 will have canards.

Speaking of avionics, the J-11B's present radar can track and engage more targets than the Su-30MKI's radar. Both radars have around the same range, so the J-11B's ability to track and and engage more targets puts it ahead.

No it does not; it's not that simple. The emphasis today is ECM's and like it or not the MKI has one of most effective and proven systems. Back to a radars ability to engage, if the MKI is able to jam the enemy radars, which it routinely has no problem doing you will not be able to engage any aircraft. Further, if you are able to engage X number of fighters it does not mean you will fire at them simultaneously due to amount of armament and hit probability--hit probability in range and hit probability in numerical numbers, example firing two missile at one target is routine.

The most important factor in engaging multiple targets is target resolution, which is the radars ability to distinguish multiple targets at somewhat close proximities, this means that a flight of 2-3 MKI's may appear as one, thus the enemy radar can not engage all targets.