Israel's future tank - The "Carmel"

[DavidSling]

yes its T-95, however the turret is a bit over exaggerated.

if it was cancelled I see no point in discussing the subject.
Altho it could be interesting to see some positive designs and drawbacks.

 

[Little Falcon]

if it was cancelled I see no point in discussing the subject.
Altho it could be interesting to see some positive designs and drawbacks.

Agreed.

 

[Amrit Randhawa]

@Dhara please shed some light on this. What do you think of this tank ? Being served in Army what do you make out of it ? What are the good and bad things about it ?

@Sankpal @Roybot @Levina please learn something from Sir Dhara.

 

[The SC]

The future armored platform will be light, agile, small, relatively inexpensive and simple to operate and designed primarily for operation in urban areas with the hatches closed. The Carmel platform will be operated by two crewmen seated side-by-side, one of whom will be the platform commander and both of whom will be able to execute all of the activities required in order to operate the platform.

In order to enable operation by two crewmen only, a revolutionary decision-support system will be required. This system will carry out most of the activities currently carried out by the crewmen (including autonomous navigation and driving, target spotting, aiming, independent firing whenever possible plus other features).

Fantasy Tank..

 

[DavidSling]

The future armored platform will be light, agile, small, relatively inexpensive and simple to operate and designed primarily for operation in urban areas with the hatches closed. The Carmel platform will be operated by two crewmen seated side-by-side, one of whom will be the platform commander and both of whom will be able to execute all of the activities required in order to operate the platform.

In order to enable operation by two crewmen only, a revolutionary decision-support system will be required. This system will carry out most of the activities currently carried out by the crewmen (including autonomous navigation and driving, target spotting, aiming, independent firing whenever possible plus other features).

Fantasy Tank..

Autonomous navigation and driving is fantasy? lol

 

[Hulk]

a Simulation of Project Carmel
Brig. Gen. (res.) Didi Ben-Yoash, formerly Chief IDF Armored Corps Officer, presented a simulation of Project Carmel – a future technology demonstrator for the IDF Armored Corps – at the 2nd International Ground Warfare & Logistics Conference

Ami Rojkes Dombe | 18/05/2017

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Brig. Gen. (res.) Didi Ben-Yoash, formerly Chief IDF Armored Corps Officer, presented a simulation of Project Carmel – a future technology demonstrator for the IDF Armored Corps. The objective of this long-term program is to develop the technological infrastructure for the future armored platform that will constitute a quantum leap with regard to the primary characteristics of the future platform – operation, weight, size and survivability.

The future armored platform will be light, agile, small, relatively inexpensive and simple to operate and designed primarily for operation in urban areas with the hatches closed. The Carmel platform will be operated by two crewmen seated side-by-side, one of whom will be the platform commander and both of whom will be able to execute all of the activities required in order to operate the platform.

In order to enable operation by two crewmen only, a revolutionary decision-support system will be required. This system will carry out most of the activities currently carried out by the crewmen (including autonomous navigation and driving, target spotting, aiming, independent firing whenever possible plus other features).

The crewmen manning the Carmel platform will only carry out the operations the system cannot execute on its own. The cockpit will be sufficiently spacious to accommodate an additional crew member, who would be able to operate external systems (e.g. ground/aerial autonomous vehicles and stand-off munitions). The third crewmen manning a unit command vehicle will be the commander of the relevant unit (platoon commander/company commander).

The future armored platform will have a hybrid drive system that would enable, among other things, storing of energy so as to fulfill all future operational demands. The platform will be protected by a state-of-the-art active protection system and secured against cyberattacks. The new platform will be able to destroy enemy antitank detachments and rocket launchers. Owing to its small size and light weight, it will be able advance relatively easily through dense urban areas.

Three industries (Rafael, Elbit Systems and IAI) are currently engaged in the installation of the systems required for the operation of the future armored platform by two crewmen. Rafael offered a transparent cockpit. Elbit Systems suggested that the tank be commanded using a crewman's helmet offering similar capabilities to those of the helmet Elbit Systems provides to pilots of fifth-generation fighter aircraft, while IAI offered a combination of both solutions.

According to Ben-Yoash, the Carmel Program draws a lot of interest among the international armored platform community. He stressed that the Carmel Program is a truly revolutionary and unique program in the world of armored and fighting platforms.

"The Carmel Program is intended to develop the technological infrastructure for the future armored platform. In this context, an infrastructure will be developed to enable the employment of all munition types, including missiles. The future active protection program, which is to include highly-developed collective protection in the future, is being developed in the context of the Carmel Program. When it is completed – it will be used for existing platforms (Merkava, Namer & Eitan) as well. This principle (of fitting technologies that had matured in the context of the Carmel Program to existing armored platforms) applies to an extensive range of subjects," concluded Ben-Yoash.

http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/29665

@Penguin @500 @Natan @Archdemon @GBU-28 @F-15I @mike2000 is back @Blue Marlin @Mountain Jew @Beny Karachun @Adir-M @Ilay @theman111

Related threads
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...nts-brig-gen-baruch-matz.496364/#post-9490945

Other IDF APC's/Tanks
Merkava 4 - https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/merkava-4.429628/
Namer - https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/namer-heavy-armoured-infantry-fighting-vehicle-israel.437122/
Eitan - https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/eitan-8x8-apc-armoured-vehicle-personnel-carrier.451093/

In future India should think of Israeli tanks instead of Russians. I love our friendship.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

a Simulation of Project Carmel
Brig. Gen. (res.) Didi Ben-Yoash, formerly Chief IDF Armored Corps Officer, presented a simulation of Project Carmel – a future technology demonstrator for the IDF Armored Corps – at the 2nd International Ground Warfare & Logistics Conference

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Brig. Gen. (res.) Didi Ben-Yoash, formerly Chief IDF Armored Corps Officer, presented a simulation of Project Carmel – a future technology demonstrator for the IDF Armored Corps. The objective of this long-term program is to develop the technological infrastructure for the future armored platform that will constitute a quantum leap with regard to the primary characteristics of the future platform – operation, weight, size and survivability.

The future armored platform will be light, agile, small, relatively inexpensive and simple to operate and designed primarily for operation in urban areas with the hatches closed. The Carmel platform will be operated by two crewmen seated side-by-side, one of whom will be the platform commander and both of whom will be able to execute all of the activities required in order to operate the platform.

In order to enable operation by two crewmen only, a revolutionary decision-support system will be required. This system will carry out most of the activities currently carried out by the crewmen (including autonomous navigation and driving, target spotting, aiming, independent firing whenever possible plus other features).

The crewmen manning the Carmel platform will only carry out the operations the system cannot execute on its own. The cockpit will be sufficiently spacious to accommodate an additional crew member, who would be able to operate external systems (e.g. ground/aerial autonomous vehicles and stand-off munitions). The third crewmen manning a unit command vehicle will be the commander of the relevant unit (platoon commander/company commander).

The future armored platform will have a hybrid drive system that would enable, among other things, storing of energy so as to fulfill all future operational demands. The platform will be protected by a state-of-the-art active protection system and secured against cyberattacks. The new platform will be able to destroy enemy antitank detachments and rocket launchers. Owing to its small size and light weight, it will be able advance relatively easily through dense urban areas.

Three industries (Rafael, Elbit Systems and IAI) are currently engaged in the installation of the systems required for the operation of the future armored platform by two crewmen. Rafael offered a transparent cockpit. Elbit Systems suggested that the tank be commanded using a crewman's helmet offering similar capabilities to those of the helmet Elbit Systems provides to pilots of fifth-generation fighter aircraft, while IAI offered a combination of both solutions.

According to Ben-Yoash, the Carmel Program draws a lot of interest among the international armored platform community. He stressed that the Carmel Program is a truly revolutionary and unique program in the world of armored and fighting platforms.

"The Carmel Program is intended to develop the technological infrastructure for the future armored platform. In this context, an infrastructure will be developed to enable the employment of all munition types, including missiles. The future active protection program, which is to include highly-developed collective protection in the future, is being developed in the context of the Carmel Program. When it is completed – it will be used for existing platforms (Merkava, Namer & Eitan) as well. This principle (of fitting technologies that had matured in the context of the Carmel Program to existing armored platforms) applies to an extensive range of subjects," concluded Ben-Yoash.

http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/29665

@Penguin @500 @Natan @Archdemon @GBU-28 @F-15I @mike2000 is back @Blue Marlin @Mountain Jew @Beny Karachun @Adir-M @Ilay @theman111

Related threads
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...nts-brig-gen-baruch-matz.496364/#post-9490945

Other IDF APC's/Tanks
Merkava 4 - https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/merkava-4.429628/
Namer - https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/namer-heavy-armoured-infantry-fighting-vehicle-israel.437122/
Eitan - https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/eitan-8x8-apc-armoured-vehicle-personnel-carrier.451093/

Looks ugly, though I do like the cockpit and helmet idea. Seems sort unrealistic with all the demands that is being made of this tank. Sorta reminds me of the F-35, it was designed to be the super-fighter of its day able to do anything and everything unfortunately that made it way too EXPENSIVE. I don't think Israel can spend 1 trillion dollars on a do anything and everything tank.

 

[DavidSling]

Looks ugly, though I do like the cockpit and helmet idea. Seems sort unrealistic with all the demands that is being made of this tank. Sorta reminds me of the F-35, it was designed to be the super-fighter of its day able to do anything and everything unfortunately that made it way too EXPENSIVE. I don't think Israel can spend 1 trillion dollars on a do anything and everything tank.

IronVision helmet proved it's possible, altho I don't know about the rest.
IAI already has autonomous driving robots for the battlefield.
Communication is already there,just need improvement.
Seems realistic enough for me.
Mark 4Barak will be operational in 4 years.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

IronVision helmet proved it's possible, altho I don't know about the rest.
IAI already has autonomous driving robots for the battlefield.
Communication is already there,just need improvement.
Seems realistic enough for me.
Mark 4Barak will be operational in 4 years.

Israel has a lot of great engineers, I'm not doubting that you guys can make it but rather whether or not you can afford it.

 

[C130]

is it me or Main Gun doesn't seems right ? what mm is main Gun ?

looks like 40mm bofors

 

[DavidSling]

Israel has a lot of great engineers, I'm not doubting that you guys can make it but rather whether or not you can afford it.

Well, the technology mostly exist already.
Shouldn't cost more than merkava m4B

 

[The Accountant]

Oh I started this?

No point of quarrel as its totally unrelated to the topic here ... lets end it here ... i appologize for my off topic comments ...

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Well, the technology mostly exist already.
Shouldn't cost more than merkava m4B

Well, Stealth technology already existed when the F-35 when it was first being developed.

"The F-35 project has been one of the most expensive military projects in history, and will cost upwards of $1.45 trillion by the time it's over. No, that was not a typo. The project price is trillion with a T. What's more, it's not even ready for service yet, and it's already cost $400 billion, according to the Government Accountability Office, which is twice what it was supposed to have cost by now."

The F-35 is going to be a amazing plane no doubt but you can't deny that despite all the advances it is outrageously expensive. I don't think Israel could take on this project without a similar price tag.

What you want could be ridiculously expensive but lets just wait and see what happens.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Soon you will see ... i can promise that ... it is written in scriptures ... the same series of scriptures which you used as a justification for creation of israel ...

Yet another military thread mentioning israeli defence equipment that has been turned into a political dispute/argument(started almost exclusively by Pakistanis for some weird reason) like many others before.

Jeez.......seriously what are the MOD's here for?

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Jeez.......seriously what are the MOD's here for?

Mods have a lot on their plates with a lot of different people to deal with.