Israelli oppression of an occupied people

[dabong1]

First of all Palestine is not yet a legal country for Pakistan to legally sell weapons to. Second of all they don't have the economic power to buy military equipment from any respectable country and third Pakistan has no reason to help Palestine militarily. We are not Arabs and its not in our interest to sell weapons to Palestine and start a confrontation with Israel or its Allies end of story. If you want to help Palestinians go there and build a school or something or let the government provide some economic aid but thats about it.

So to put it simple....... no matter what, you would never help the people of Palestine to defend themselves,or shall i rephrase it.......under what condition would you be happy with pakistan suppling defence equipment?

 

[Enigma SIG]

First of all Palestine is not yet a legal country for Pakistan to legally sell weapons to. Second of all they don't have the economic power to buy military equipment from any respectable country and third Pakistan has no reason to help Palestine militarily. We are not Arabs and its not in our interest to sell weapons to Palestine and start a confrontation with Israel or its Allies end of story. If you want to help Palestinians go there and build a school or something or let the government provide some economic aid but thats about it.

I am amazed at that statement; Wow; just wow...
All this talk of recognizing israel; and now palestine is not a legal country

 

[Spitfighter]

I am amazed at that statement; Wow; just wow...
All this talk of recognizing israel; and now palestine is not a legal country

Even if Pakistan had the will, they don't have a way. The Israelis would never let any weapons fall into Palestinian hands, they control all the access points, air, sea and land.

 

[dabong1]

Even if Pakistan had the will, they don't have a way. The Israelis would never let any weapons fall into Palestinian hands, they control all the access points, air, sea and land.

They can give us the money and have the weapons and then the rest it up to them.
No delivery service by the pak govt.

 

[pak-marine]

Pakistan cant provide military help to Palestine we have stratetic problems even if we wanted to we cant due to hipocrat neighbour like Egypt ! However one thing for sure palestine & kashmire cause is in evey pakistanis heart and if not resolved will stay forever !!

 

[dabong1]

Pakistan cant provide military help to Palestine we have stratetic problems even if we wanted to we cant due to hipocrat neighbour like Egypt ! However one thing for sure palestine & kashmire cause is in evey pakistanis heart and if not resolved will stay forever !!

Am not saying pakistan should give anything for free,if the can pay and pick up the goods we should sell them defence equpiment.
Also the israeli where trying to attack our nuclear facilities......helping the indians...getting involved in baluchistan ect and we should sit back and do nothing?Forget about taking the lead from the arabs and lets give as good as we get.

 

[alirulesall123]

As long as the Arabs don't give a **** about Kashmir, I'll continue to not give a rats *** about Palestine.

 

[Developereo]

As long as the Arabs don't give a **** about Kashmir, I'll continue to not give a rats *** about Palestine.

Just because the corrupt Arab governments have abandoned the Palestinian people doesn't mean we should.

 

[Spitfighter]

Just because the corrupt Arab governments have abandoned the Palestinian people doesn't mean we should.

What has Pakistan done to assist the Palestinians?

Emotions aside, one has to look at the scenario realistically. The GoP itself has done nothing to significantly assist the Palestinians, the Arabs merely use the Palestinians as whipping boys. Saudi Arabia, the epicenter of the Islamic world, would gladly allow the Israelis to conduct raids on Iran to counter rising Iranian ambitions.

What forms the basis of this sympathy?

 

[Developereo]

What has Pakistan done to assist the Palestinians?

Probably not much.

What forms the basis of this sympathy?

It's got nothing to do with me being Muslim.

The Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from their ancestral homes because Zionists believe that the land is reserved for Jews by God's Covenant with Abraham in the Old Testament.

This is just wrong and many Orthodox Jews are also opposed to Zionism.

 

[gambit]

Just because the corrupt Arab governments have abandoned the Palestinian people doesn't mean we should.

I advocate war. Pakistan should attack Israel now.

 

[Developereo]

I advocate war. Pakistan should attack Israel now.

No need.
Israel should be challenged in the court of public opinion first. That's the good thing about having truth and justice on your side.

Most people don't approve of ethnic cleansing.
Even when it is practised by "oppressed people".
The Holocaust sympathy can be milked for only so long.

 

[Developereo]

Cheers, Doc

Medication wearing off again?

 

[gambit]

Really? The thinly veiled anti-semitic bigotry in every Israel-oriented post of yours in the garb of "concerned shared Islamic brotherhood and humanitarian justice" is fooling nobody my friend.

He aaaaallllmost had me at that 'humanitarian justice' bit.

 

[Spitfighter]

Agree, and we can't defeat them militarily. Here's what I said in another thread:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...re-al-jazeera-correspondent-3.html#post479588

The way to fight and defeat Israel is not through bullets, but through the media. This is how they came into being and have remained powerful. This is the only way they will go.

The Zionists dominate the Western media, and we should fight them in the media. Al-Jazeera is good for the Muslim world, but it is too obvious. We need to be more subtle like the Zionists. Use Western media channels with Western people to promote our message.

The Arabs have the money. They should buy Western media companies (indirectly, through innocuous intermediaries) and, slowly but surely, install pro-Muslim, anti-Israel Western people in positions of power within those organizations. This is exactly what the Zionists have done. We just need to do the same for our cause.

Media manipulation is a delicate art and Westerners are experts at it. We Muslims are novices.

Fair enough, I've heard the muslims vs Jews (Zionists/whatever) argument plenty of times. Also, you might want to think again about having the Saudis spread Islamic propaganda to 'influence westerners', that would probably help the 'zionists' more than the 'zionist media' helps them now.

but what's this?

It's got nothing to do with me being Muslim.

sure.

The Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from their ancestral homes because Zionists believe that the land is reserved for Jews by God's Covenant with Abraham in the Old Testament.

This is just wrong and many Orthodox Jews are also opposed to Zionism.

Right...I see, a humanitarian argument.

Dude, forget about being slick and sly, you've contradicted yourself twice in this thread already. Pakistan has enough problems of its own, you should focus on solving them first.

The Palestinians are just plain stupid (sorry, but its true), they've made things worse for themselves. Israel holds all the cards, they simply cannot be defeated militarily, yet those fools blow up Israeli buses and run people down with cars and make themselves look like terrorists. They could have had the world on their side had the Arabs not politicized the issue and given a religious twist to it.

You did get a few things right, Israel simply cannot be countered by force, but the Palestinians need to help themselves and launch an honest, non violent campaign to sway world opinion. A religious twist at this point would backfire, the so called 'muslim world' needs to back off and let those people have a real chance at freedom. They have been used as scape goats and whipping boys for too long.

one word: Gandhi.