Israelistine?

[Steve781]

The best solution for Israel would have been to let Jordan keep most of the West Bank. The Hashemites have always been pro Israel, they just pretend otherwise to appeal to their Palestinian population and to other Arab countries

 

[al-Hasani]

The best solution for Israel would have been to let Jordan keep most of the West Bank. The Hashemites have always been pro Israel, they just pretend otherwise to appeal to their Palestinian population and to other Arab countries

Yes, so pro-Israel that they went to war with Israel more than once. Jordan is a separate country. It's not Palestine. If Israel has a right to exist so has Palestine. The only solution is a two-state solution. Everyone knows it. But obviously it's easier said than done.

 

[Steve781]

Yes, so pro-Israel that they went to war with Israel more than once. Jordan is a separate country. It's not Palestine. If Israel has a right to exist so has Palestine. The only solution is a two-state solution. Everyone knows it. But obviously it's easier said than done.

What's your opinion @500 ?

Not now of course. But in 1967 it would have saved a lot of trouble.

 

[terry5]

Never trust white people everywhere they Go they bring war & disease

 

[al-Hasani]

Not now of course. But in 1967 it would have saved a lot of trouble.

Yes, of course this way you would not have had to ask the Palestinians about what they wanted. When will people understand that Palestinians belong in Palestine and not elsewhere? Palestine is their country and homeland. Most have lived there for centuries if not millenniums.

Why don't you English join a future independent Scotland, Wales or Ireland? Or better France? Would have been easier….

Anyone that supports the right of Israel to exist should also automatically support the right of Palestine to exist. There is no other way.

 

[Archdemon]

Similar things can be stated about the Jewd too. 70 years of finger pointing had lead middle east where it is.

Look at Israel and compare it to Arab and Muslim states, enough said.

 

[The SC]

Arabs and pluralism ? Democracy? Doesnt go together.

If that was true you wouldn't have existed today, they had ample time and opportunities to genocide you. Go read some, and stop your childish lies.

Look at Israel and compare it to Arab and Muslim states, enough said.

If you knew anything about arab states outside of your media, you won't be saying this, actually Israel is perceived far worst than any arab state in the world's opinion. Can you imagine?

 

[Kompromat]

Look at Israel and compare it to Arab and Muslim states, enough said.

Arab states have higher per capita incomes than most of Europe. Qatar's per capita income is 2X that of the US. There is no comparison, unless you want to compare with Gaza.

 

[Steve781]

Arab states have higher per capita incomes than most of Europe. Qatar's per capita income is 2X that of the US. There is no comparison, unless you want to compare with Gaza.

The IMF and World Bank still classify oil producing states like Brunei, Qatar, UAE etc as developing countries because although they have a high average income their economies are too geared towards one sector and thus not fully industrialised.

 

[Kompromat]

The IMF and World Bank still classify oil producing states like Brunei, Qatar, UAE etc as developing countries because although they have a high average income their economies are too geared towards one sector and thus not fully industrialised.

These guys can buy IMF with their pocket change.

 

[al-Hasani]

The IMF and World Bank still classify oil producing states like Brunei, Qatar, UAE etc as developing countries because although they have a high average income their economies are too geared towards one sector and thus not fully industrialised.

The UAE economy is quite diversified. Among the most diversified actually. The rest of the GCC will reach that level in a few years and from there on it will only go one way. Developing states in the case of not yet becoming fully industrialized. But that is just a question of time. What is the most important thing here is the wealth. The GCC is the most prosperous region of the world per capita. In no place on earth can you find average people that are as prosperous. I can't stop thinking how the GCC would have looked with democratic systems. It's a frightening thought for our enemies. We might live to see this anyway.

The average Emirati lives a 2-3 more prosperous life than the average Brit. That's what matters here and now.

These guys can buy IMF with their pocket change.

We Arabs already own trillions of dollars in the West and Arabs own some of the most expensive real estate in the West, have very big shares in major companies, big shares in the stock markets, very influential lobbies and thus big political influence etc.

We have quickly developing economies, some of the youngest populations out there (good for the economy) and many other advantages.

Even entertainment and sports we Arabs are heavily involved. From football to horse racing etc.

Obviously also disadvantages such as certain laws, systems of rule etc. but they can always be changed.

 

[libertad]

Wouldn't happen in a million years. The Israelis' will give up on democracy before they give up on being a Jewish State. The reason being, contrary to one poster's comment about the, "Jews repulsed by being with other people", the history has been the opposite of that; anti-Jewish pogroms, second class status in Christian and Muslim countries, the Holocaust, etc. The State of Israel is their insurance policy that Jews around the world will always have a Jewish state for them to flee to. They are never going to give that up.

All anti jewish pogroms have happened because of their behavior. Its happened hundreds of times, yet nobody asks why so many different people came to the same conclusions? They are not the innocent victims everyone makes them out to be. The only place jews found sanctuary was under Muslim rule. Look how they behave now, propagandizing the west against Muslims when it is they who reject pluralism. They got their state in 1948 and since then have been warring with their neighbours and expanding their territorial claims. Today in 2014, israel refuses to delineate its borders. Is this the conduct of a nation/people that want peace?

 

[Cat Shannon]

nation state built on equality and fairness for all citizens, Jewish and Arabs alike

It already exists. Israel. Difficult to understand for some.

 

[Bong]

Another idea is to move tiny israel to a safer place. Like heart of USA or Alaska.

 

[Norwegian]

Arab states have higher per capita incomes than most of Europe. Qatar's per capita income is 2X that of the US. There is no comparison, unless you want to compare with Gaza.

LOL:

Economy of the Middle East - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only four Arab states have "better" functioning economy than Israel because they are resource rich with oil /gas and have generally low populations. Apart from Turkey, Iran and UAE, no other Middle Eastern state is remotely industrialized and diversified economically as Israel.

These guys can buy IMF with their pocket change.

Arab oil and gas money is a huge waste when it could be spent effectively on higher education, research and new inventions for the benefit of all humanity!

I can't stop thinking how the GCC would have looked with democratic systems. It's a frightening thought for our enemies. We might live to see this anyway.

If GCC was democratic, all slave workers brought from abroad would have at least some human rights!

The average Emirati lives a 2-3 more prosperous life than the average Brit. That's what matters here and now.

God bless oil / gas reserves and Western technology. Without it, Emiratis would still be desert dwellers.

We Arabs already own trillions of dollars in the West and Arabs own some of the most expensive real estate in the West, have very big shares in major companies, big shares in the stock markets, very influential lobbies and thus big political influence etc.

Arabs own the West because they are filthy rich from petroleum money. Huge ownership doesn't mean you guys also excel in new discoveries of science and cutting-edge technology. Arabs on average lag behind in these fields because they have either no brains or do not want to use them like Jews / Westerners, Asians.

All anti jewish pogroms have happened because of their behavior.

Islamic Antisemitism? Read this:
Islam and antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Blood libel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no need for any ballots as it is obvious that 99,9% of all Palestinians inside Palestine or abroad want their own country.

They already have their "own" country. Its called Kingdom of Jordan where 70 % of Palestinians live since before 1948.

Please keep him out. He would probably end up speaking about the "evil Arabs" yet again or something along those lines. The same old song in other words and accusing me of influencing the Pakistani public (LOL) in a wrong way.

We Pakistanis need no Arab influence anymore. It has radicalized and destroyed Pakistani society enough already!

Defining the borders and all that follows with a two-state solution is the main problem here and no side really wants to move from their initial position.

Israel defined final borders during Camp David summit in year 2000, but Arafat ran away and started Second Intifada. Later Israel defined borders in 2008 with Olmert presenting Abbas with infamous "napkin map". He too ran away from the negotiations and never came back. Stop fooling around and pretending that you actually know something about this conflict:
2000 Camp David Summit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Palestine Papers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Actually I can only speak for the Arab world here but most Arabs and Jews lived peacefully with each other for the vast majority of the time and Jews were actually not second class citizens at all.

Rubbish. Apart from few centuries after the advent of Islam, Jews never lived as first-class citizens in Muslim Caliphates:
Anti-Semitism in the Arab/Muslim World | Jewish Virtual Library
Islam and antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyway what you say is correct hence why there is no need to discuss something such as a one-state solution. The Palestinians are as eager to have their own country and rightfully so.

They already have Gaza and Jordan, poverty stricken failed states. West Bank would be no different if handed over but would become another terror base for Hamas.

No matter how tolerant the treatment under Islam however, the Jews learned through many centuries that they could never fully depend on others for their security.

Correct and Holocaust during WW2 proved that they need independent IDF to secure Jewish lives.

Most Yemeni Jews now live in Israel.

Arab Jews have decreased in number consistently since Israel's founding because of rampant antisemitsim and attack on Jews in Arab lands:
Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good job! Only Jewish communities left in the Middle East are now found in Turkey, Azerbaijan and Iran, aside Israel.

Basically the animosity between Arabs/Jews/Muslims first really kicked off during the foundation of Israel. I mean you only have to ask the few remaining Muslim and Jewish elders of Jerusalem etc. how they treated each other or how Arab Jews lived in Arab Muslim lands.

True. Arabs couldn't tolerate a single Jewish state living alongside their own pan-Arabist Islamic states. Had they accepted Israel back in 1948 instead of waiting until 2002 (Arab Peace Initiative), things would have been quite different today.

Similar things can be stated about the Jewd too. 70 years of finger pointing had lead middle east where it is.

What do you mean? Elaborate?

Who told you that Palestinians are a recent "invention"? No people are an "invention". It's just the names that change. By that logic 90% of all the current countries of today are inventions if they need to have a certain age before they become "legitimate".

Palestinian meant someone living in the historical region of Palestine. Jews too were "palestinians" before Israel was found:
Palestinian Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the Israelis give up their state sanctioned policy of demographic engineering to maintain a jewish majority and Zionism while Falistni arabs too decide to give up seeking independance to integrate into a new nation state built on equality and fairness for all citizens, Jewish and Arabs alike. Can a country called Israelistine made up of these dynamics work under a national inegration program similar to the one started by Nelson Mandela? - How about just share Yerushelum rather than dividing it?

Funny. 20 % of Israeli population is Arab (Palestinian) already, and is integral part of Israel since 1948:
Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many Knesset members (Israeli parliament) are Arabs.

If both sides don't reconcile their differences, they will always be open to foreign interest minipulation. Two state solution is a failure and only way Israel can survive in the long term is by discarding Zionism to build a country with Arabs on the principles of pluralism.

Zionism is what created Israel in the first place. If Jews discard Zionism, what's left of Israel? What would become of Pakistan if we discard Two-Nation theory?

The whole goal of Israel is to establish a "Jewish nation", it is part of their identity, doctrine and pretty much everything that state is about.

Jewish nation is a historic reality. It was there thousands of years before anyone heard a thing called Arab or Islam:
Jewish history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Both Christianity and Islam is inspired by Judaism or its sacred texts / beliefs.

With all due respect then this is an insult against the Palestinian Arabs. Why should they not get their own country like almost all other peoples out there? In their own native lands moreover.

They are free to move back to Jordan or Gaza. West Bank was Jordanian between 1948 - 1967.

If a one-state solution becomes a realty then the Arabs will become the majority. Arabs inside Israel already form 22% of the Israeli population and 60% of all Israeli Jews have Arab Jewish or partial Arab Jewish ancestry.

Yes, and its the main reason why Israel is not annexing West Bank and maintaining the status quo with force.

I stand with the Palestinian people and their right to self-determination. Almost all Arabs do if not all. Israel is a reality and the Palestinians have to accept that but that does not change the basic right of the Palestinian people to establish an Palestinian state.

LOL. When Palestinians (Hamas) have accepted Israel as the Jewish state, come back to me. They do not recognize Israel or want their own state. They want to destroy Israel. Big difference!

They don't do international sports, no goyims can go to Israel. Their real goal is dominating the goyims and have a kind of paradise on earth

Antisemitic babbling!

There is one solution only to this problem take out Israel

Islamic antisemite!

For years "at least 25 years" Iran has suggested that a referendom could be the best solution for this conflict.... All Palestinians outside and inside with all people who reside in Palestine participate and ballot for their government, any possible outcome should be respected by all countries .... it's a democratic solution which means no more war .

How about a referendum if Iranians at large still support current Mullah regime?

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