Israeli Air Force Gears up to Strike Iran.

[PakistaniPacifist]

No...I am saying that if the US attack Iran via the sea, then Iran will be hard press to find 'just cause' to attack neighbors who hosted US forces but does nothing and that those US forces have done nothing.

Well America will need to have troops stationed on the ground somewhere in the middle east and those that countries do station American troops will be a viable target for Iran to attack. In desert storm Saudi was used as a base to house US troops and equipment, I’m sure against Iran, Saudi again will be used. Iranian General feels that they are more than well equipped to handle the US navy.

The next incursion will be air strikes.

Any US/Israeli air strikes violating Iranian sovereignty will cause an all out war, Iran is not like any other country in the region, where it will sit idly by while its land is bombarded in the air by US fighter jet, their reaction I’m sure will be swift and devastating. Iranian generals themselves have admitted that America is superior in the air and I’m sure they will be doing everything in their power to bolster up their defensive capabilities in the event of a war. I’ve read that they are trying to acquire the s-300 missile defence system from Russian along with improving their SAM capabilities.

And you think Iranians are more knowledgeable about Americans? When was the last time Americans gathered in the streets chanting 'Death to Iran'?

Yes from my personal perception, they most certainly are, I been fortunate to speak to fair amount of Americans in America, U.K as well as American expats living in Prague and Hungary. They ranged from African-American/White American of Irish and Italian descent/Hispanic Americans and mainly all have said our people back home live in a complete bubble and are ignorant of the world outside America. Some even said its only on coming to Europe that they changed there perception off different countries and witnessed the unfavourably heavy handed approach taken by the US on countries in the Middle East.

I only talked to a few Iranian during my stay in Iran as unlike in America I was their mainly for religious reasons but all were extremely eager to convey their thoughts on America and all spoke extremely favourably about them, their frustration was directed towards the American media for vilifying them and the American government. Those Iranian who chant ‘Death to American’ are talking about the government and not the people of America.

If you watch the video on the link below, the 2nd guy being interviewed was similar to the responses I got from Iranians in Iran.

FRONTLINE/World: Election 2008 - The World is Watching: Views from the Streets of Tehran | PBS

Lets make it clear, Iran isn’t the one threatening the US and implying it will bomb the country into the stone age if it doesn’t comply with its wills.

bad comparison, Iran was at a stalemate with Iraq and could not win the war. yet the enemy they could not defeat was defeated within days during the Gulf war. by a smaller army (about 900,000) compared to the millions the Iranians had during the Iran/Iraq war.

Victory means different things to different people, for me its an outstanding achievement that the Iranians where able to defend their land when they had just chucked out an Iranian leader backed by America with absolutely no outside help. They relied on no-one but themselves throughout the war, with hardly any foreign assistance, were able to defend their land effectively against an Iraq backed heavily in modern technology and weaponry from the US with the help of Arab funding.

At the start of the war, Iran’s main objective was to defend every inch of its territory while Saddams was to occupy Iran and gain control of Iranian oil fields while making Iraq the most dominant power in the Persian Gulf. He also wanted to put a stop to Ayatollah Khomeini (r.a) Islamic revolution, judging by both their aims and with beauty of hindsight we can clearly see who achieved what they set out to do.

Saddam and his Iraq incurred massive debts and its economy was absolutely crippled as a result of the war, which then later caused him to invade Kuwait to gain access and control of their oil fields. It was the Iranians who totally decimated Saddams’ Iraq, his reputation and their economy never recovered, even to this day the Iraqi government is asking for those debt to be annulled.

 

[Nima]

I got one thing to show you Thomas
If you think Iran cares more about the Muslim and esp the arab world watch this

 

[ASQ-1918]

How more dumb can one get.

 

[imran iqbal]

I got one thing to show you Thomas
If you think Iran cares more about the Muslim and esp the arab world watch this

YouTube - iran and armenia

You sure you are Iranian ? Putting that anti-Iran video on the thread....

 

[SekrutYakhni]

War is a horrible thing and nuclear weapons make it more so. A world without war would be great. I do not however believe that it is realistic. Or to be 100% nuclear weapons free in the world.

Because of the nature of man there will always be people and countries that feel they are essential in order to project power. Or for their last line of defense. You can however try to limit more countries acquiring them. Especially those that are unstable or belligerent.

As far as Israel is concerned they have constantly fought for their national survival since they became a country once again. Iran has made it's views clear over the years. the mullah's and the president of Iran have stated they want Israel destroyed. With Iran trying to get a nuke how would you expect Israel or the U.S. to act?

I have very little doubt that if Iran had a nuke they would eventually use it on Israel. Most of the western nations feel the same way. And to that end Iran needs to be stopped from acquiring them. If that means going to war if Iran refuses to back down then so be it.

Iran's leaders know what they are gambling. and they are willing it seems to pay the price no matter what. Though they are making the same mistake Saddam made in thinking they can manage the situation.

Do you not agree it is better for less countries to have nukes rather then more?

Sir you have to understand the fact that Iran's Mullah team wants to destroy Israel as the reaction of Israeli actions over the period of time. Iranian Mullahs did not come from "no man's land" and gave that statement. It is not Iran who is fighting and killing people..It is Israel who is fighting and killing innocents.

One rocket from Hamas does not mean bombs from Israeli F16s.
If it does mean than Israeli Surgical Strike should be taken seriously and in response Tel Aviv should be bombed to stone age.
It is Israel who wants to strike not Iran.
It is Israel who is killing innocents not Iran.

Thomas, if I came to your house and said that according to Quran (1400 years ago) the house you live in is my ancestors house...
Will you leave your house for me?
Israel demanded the same thing from Palestinians.

Israel occupied territories by the help of the U.S. but still we can accept Israel on the condition of no blood shed.

"Do you not agree it is better for less countries to have nukes rather then more?"

It is the U.S. who bombed Japan first time. Iran, Pakistan or any country did not use Nuclear Weapons.
It is the U.S. who committed those terrorist acts in the name of "self defence". Now when Iran wants to defend itself, you have a problem.
There should be sanctions on the U.S. not Iran.

I do not support sanctions on Iran because they are exercising their right as you are doing. If all the world becomes Nuclear free than Iranian Dream to acquire weapons could not be justified. You cannot say that I will slap you but you cant slap me back. You cannot stop a nation who wants to acquire same stuff which other nations have.

"As far as Israel is concerned they have constantly fought for their national survival since they became a country once again."
Is it "national survival" to have further settlements in West Bank and so on? Is it national survival to attack Lebanon or to kill innocent Palestinians? Is it national survival to "try" to attack Pakistani Nuclear sites? Is it national survival to have a surgical strike on Iraq and Syria?

If it is national survival to commit those crimes than it is Iran's national survival to bomb anything including the U.S. troops in Middle East.

 

[Hussein]

You sure you are Iranian ? Putting that anti-Iran video on the thread....

I think Nima means our excellent relation with the Armenians
It is our history that we are excellent friends
This video is not the best video to say it but he is right: we have non muslim friends

My advice is that Azerbaidjan of course is not an ennemy
and should play an important rule in our international relations in the future, when Turkey is a key country for us too.

@Nima >
i understand some people are upset towards "mullahs"
i am from religious family so it makes always pain to hear this
don't misunderstand the ennemy of freedom: they are some people taking benefits , they are some cheaters among the mullahs or even ayatollahs (some of them being fake ayatollahs like Mesbah Yazdi or Khamenei)

Our country was always very nationalistic but it should not forget that the best for us and for our neighbour is mutual respect. All together we can protect ourselves and make our countries great. Now you can see how weak we are and how a country can invade us with so much ease.

By the way what is your religion? zoroastrian?

 

[DesiGuy]

Why Israel wants to attack now, when USA i think does not want to be part of all this.

i don't think Obama wants to invade any nation now. he wants peace.

 

[gambit]

Well America will need to have troops stationed on the ground somewhere in the middle east and those that countries do station American troops will be a viable target for Iran to attack. In desert storm Saudi was used as a base to house US troops and equipment, I’m sure against Iran, Saudi again will be used.

The hosting countries can say that US forces are in their countries at invitations. Hosting a foreign armed force is not a justifiable cause for war, else there would be wars all over the world. If US forces in those countries are not participants in any US strikes, Iran have no justifiable cause to attach those countries. You can repeat what you just said in many different ways all you want but it will do no good.

Iranian General feels that they are more than well equipped to handle the US navy.

His opinion is irrelevant. Am not being insulting. Am being realistic. The world have seen US military might expressed in different environments and scales many times over. In a shooting fight, the Iranian Navy will exist at our leisure.

Any US/Israeli air strikes violating Iranian sovereignty will cause an all out war, Iran is not like any other country in the region, where it will sit idly by while its land is bombarded in the air by US fighter jet, their reaction I’m sure will be swift and devastating. Iranian generals themselves have admitted that America is superior in the air and I’m sure they will be doing everything in their power to bolster up their defensive capabilities in the event of a war.

No...Iranian response will not be so 'swift and devastating'. Behind closed doors, am positive that the Iranian military leadership, like all others in the world, have studied the MECHANICS of Desert Storm and found Iranian defenses wanting.

I’ve read that they are trying to acquire the s-300 missile defence system from Russian along with improving their SAM capabilities.

Fine.

Those Iranian who chant ‘Death to American’ are talking about the government and not the people of America.

Am not some American who never left his country. I spent 10 yrs in the USAF with many temporary assignments, called TDYs, from Europe to Asia to the ME and was in post-Saddam Kuwait. Am old enough to have been in East Berlin when there were two Germanys. In Kuwait, I know what oil laden air tastes like. I know what it feels like to go for days with no sunshine and when it is possible to see the sun, one can look at it with bare eyes with no problem. After several days with no chance of personal hygiene, the shower floor runs dark brown for about a minute -- per person. So please spare me the stale line about how 'Death to America' really mean the US government and not the US, meaning its people, land and everything that make up a country. In the ME, including Iran, 'Death to America' really mean exactly that -- America. Not the US government. Be glad that we Americans do not harbor the same but reciprocal sentiment.

Lets make it clear, Iran isn’t the one threatening the US and implying it will bomb the country into the stone age if it doesn’t comply with its wills.

And let us be clear...If noncompliance to US demands deserve a military response from US, the mullahs would have never succeeded in the first place. This is about Iranian intent on being a nuclear weapons state. A nuclear weapons armed Iran is something no one in the ME, which is pretty much %99 muslims, want in their part of the world. For all the noise about Israel's uncertain nuclear weapons, the despots in the ME are more TERRIFIED of each other than of the Jews.

Victory means different things to different people, for me its an outstanding achievement that the Iranians where able to defend their land when they had just chucked out an Iranian leader backed by America with absolutely no outside help. They relied on no-one but themselves throughout the war, with hardly any foreign assistance, were able to defend their land effectively against an Iraq backed heavily in modern technology and weaponry from the US with the help of Arab funding.

Please do your homework. The Iraqi military, like the Iranian military, is overly equipped with Soviet weaponry. This LIE is often trotted out in trying to portray Iran as the underdog.

 

[Nima]

I think Nima means our excellent relation with the Armenians
It is our history that we are excellent friends
This video is not the best video to say it but he is right: we have non muslim friends

My advice is that Azerbaidjan of course is not an ennemy
and should play an important rule in our international relations in the future, when Turkey is a key country for us too.

@Nima >
i understand some people are upset towards "mullahs"
i am from religious family so it makes always pain to hear this
don't misunderstand the ennemy of freedom: they are some people taking benefits , they are some cheaters among the mullahs or even ayatollahs (some of them being fake ayatollahs like Mesbah Yazdi or Khamenei)

Our country was always very nationalistic but it should not forget that the best for us and for our neighbour is mutual respect. All together we can protect ourselves and make our countries great. Now you can see how weak we are and how a country can invade us with so much ease.

By the way what is your religion? zoroastrian?

that video is a bull **** propaganda video made by a Russian Azeri but It proved smtg.
And yeah although I am very anti mullah and Islamic Republic, I will die defending them if a foreign country steps into Iran.
As for my religion, I'm a muslim on paper but trying to convert to Zoroastrianism. I want to make it official and with this govt it's impossible for now.

@ ASQ
how many times did you edit that?

 

[gambit]

Sir you have to understand the fact that Iran's Mullah team wants to destroy Israel as the reaction of Israeli actions over the period of time. Iranian Mullahs did not come from "no man's land" and gave that statement. It is not Iran who is fighting and killing people..It is Israel who is fighting and killing innocents.

Against Iranians?

 

[dabong1]

Who supplied iran with nuke tech in the first place.......?

 

[Thomas]

are you really saying the iranians would risk their own nation just to get it israel?

The average Iranian would not. The radical 72 virgin/12th Imam believers who are in control of Iran would.

 

[Vassnti]

I disagree the reason why cold war remained cold war was because both countries knew they can destroy each other many times over. Incase of Iran they do not need to maintain nuclear parity with the US, all they need is a couple of nuclear warheads and to make sure that those handfull of nuclear warheads can reach the american main land in case of a strike irrespective of how many the US has because american public knowning they are not safe will never let america go to war the best thing about functional democracy.

Strange but i think just the opposite. While Iran is some where over there, that most Americans cant find and feel is not a threat, most of the population do not want military action.

You show Americans tv footage of a ranting mullah saying he has nukes pointed at california saying he will blow the nest of the great satan into the sea then you will find opinion very rapidly swinging the other way. The biggest mistake you can make with the US is a serious threat Yanks dont respond teribly well to being told what to do.

 

[gambit]

Who supplied iran with nuke tech in the first place.......?

You sure it was US?

FT.com / Iran - Putin vexes US over Iran nuclear power

However, she added: “We have consistently said that Iran is entitled to civil nuclear power. It is a nuclear weapons programme that it is not entitled to.”

Russian experts have been helping to build a light water reactor at Bushehr since the 1990s. Officials have previously said it would be finished this year.

Try to educate yourself on why there is a line between being a nuclear state and a nuclear WEAPONS state.

 

[Nima]

The average Iranian would not. The radical 72 virgin/12th Imam believers who are in control of Iran would.

you're very thick headed