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Israel Hijacks Aid cargo, executes hostages - Pak journo, Talat Hussain taken hostage

Israel's excuse is that they were to do a check to stop weapons from reaching Gaza.

Wait a minute, this flotilla was announced to the entire planet, obviously something like that would not be on it. So why kill so many?
 
@Arun,
You are welcome here even though I may differ with your views sometime. Don't be too dejected by people from Pakistani side who may also paint the picture with a broad stroke.
No body should be banned or insulted. Everyone must be heard and reasoned with.
 
Black Blood said:
Indian flag is most weclomed on this forum and i do respect criticism but something that you have been preaching is unacceptable.

Man stop thinking who were these who died , muslims or whatever they were humans and they are being killed on daily basis.

If you are willing to speak the truth speak it out loud and speak 100% and don't give us judgment on what might happened.

There is evidence , footage and radio conversations , Israelis attacked an unarmed boat and killed International aid workers trying to feed the starving Palestinian kids .

if you have even a drop of humanity left in your blood you must condemn these acts in clear words.

Times change my friend , today its Palestinians tomorrow it would be you , who knows ???

Support the right cause regardless of what you think about those , hate them because of their religion or whatever.

regards:
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Sir, till date I haven't seen a video of such. Please kindly upload it to youtube and show me. Someone else gave me a link to some blog or Pakistani site, and the videos there won't load.

Here's my version:
YouTube- Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers
 
FreekiN said:
Israel's excuse is that they were to do a check to stop weapons from reaching Gaza.

Wait a minute, this flotilla was announced to the entire planet, obviously something like that would not be on it. So why kill so many?
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Dont ask questions Kid you can get shot for that too.


 
TechLahore said:
Actually, Pakistan has gotten less poor (please refer to GNP stats) and more educated in the last 60 some years. I think we'll do fine on our own, but we appreciate your concern. If the America of today can emerge from a state where, 60-70 years after its independence it faced a fractious civil war which ended up in the slaughter of millions of Americans, then I think 60 years after our independence the Taliban etc. are small fry issues for us. We're following in your footsteps, it's just that we're doing a lot better than you were 60 years after your independence.
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Over all a great post but this is the gem: Nations evolve over time, sort of like species do. I told in almost the similar words to one of my American friends that 'You had you civil war in the 1860's and you came out better from that. So will Pakistan.' He was almost stunned and started giving me an account of the casualties from both the Union and Confederate sides--he agreed with me!
 
Vande Mataram said:
Sir, till date I haven't seen a video of such. Please kindly upload it to youtube and show me. Someone else gave me a link to some blog or Pakistani site, and the videos there won't load.

Here's my version:
YouTube- Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers
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Read this

Israel accused of ramming Gaza aid boat



Activists trying to bring aid to Gaza today claimed their boat had been rammed by Israeli gunboats in a "criminal attack" in international waters.

The Free Gaza Movement said its vessel, the Dignity, was intercepted by several Israeli ships as it headed to the Gaza Strip, which has been under Israeli aerial bombardment since Saturday.

One gunboat rammed the Dignity on the port bow side, causing heavy damage, although no one was hurt, the group said.


"When attacked, the Dignity was clearly in international waters, 90 miles off the coast of Gaza," the group said on its website. "The gunboats also fired their machine guns into the water in an attempt to stop the mercy ship from getting to Gaza.

"Israel thumbs its nose in the face of maritime law by attacking a human rights boat in international waters and has put all of these human rights observers at risk.

"At no time was the Dignity ever close to Israeli waters. They clearly identified themselves, and the Israeli attack was wilful and criminal."

The group said the attack took place as the Dignity carried 16 passengers and three tonnes of medical supplies at the request of doctors in Gaza.

The crew and passengers had hoped to treat some of those injured in four days of the Israeli air strikes, with hospitals in the territory overwhelmed.

The Dignity later arrived in the Lebanese port of Tyre, where it was met by cheering crowds.

Lubna Masarwa, a Free Gaza spokeswoman, said the boat had gone to Lebanon – despite Israeli navy orders that it sail to Cyprus – because of a lack of fuel.

Masarwa said the ship was "in bad shape" due to damage sustained in the collision and was taking on small amounts of water.

The Lebanese president, Michel Suleiman, ordered that the Dignity be "rescued" and welcomed back in Lebanon.

Markos Kyprianou, the Cypriot foreign minister, told public radio his country would lodge a formal protest over the incident.

He said that although the boat was neither Cypriot-owned nor Cypriot-registered, the fact that it left Cyprus and had Cypriot nationals on board accorded the government "the right to be informed and to protest".

Kyprianou said he had instructed the Cyprus embassy in Israel to lodge the protest.

The Dignity flies the flag of Gibraltar and is piloted by an English captain. Its 16 passengers include Cynthia McKinney, a former US congresswoman.

It left for Gaza from Lanarca in Cyprus yesterday. The group said journalists on board filmed the attack.

An Israeli foreign ministry spokesman, Yigal Palmor, told Reuters there had been no shooting, although two ships had made "physical contact".

Palmor said the boat had failed to respond to Israeli naval radio contact and an Israeli vessel had "clashed with the ship". He said nobody was hurt, and the Israeli ship escorted the aid boat back to Cypriot territorial waters.

Israel declared the coastal territory a closed military zone after it launched air attacks on Hamas targets in Gaza on Saturday in response to Hamas firing rockets into Israel. Israel said the Free Gaza movement boat would not be permitted to dock in the Gaza Strip.

The Free Gaza group has made five boat deliveries of aid to Gaza since August, defying a blockade imposed by Israel when Hamas won control of the territory in June 2006.

Aid ships for the Palestinian coastal territory often stop at Cyprus before heading to Gaza, opting for the indirect route to deprive Israel of any excuse not to allow them in.

The last boat to make the trip on December 20 carried a Qatari delegation, Lebanese activists and journalists from Israel and Lebanon. Qatar has good relations with both Israel and Hamas.

More than 360 Palestinians have been killed in the Israeli attacks on Gaza since Saturday. In the same period, four Israelis have died in rocket strikes from Gaza.

The UN relief and works agency, which supports Palestinian refugees and has large programmes in Gaza, said 62 civilians were dead at a conservative estimate.

The overall number of injured is thought to be as high as 1,400 although Gazan hospitals are so overcrowded and short of medicine and equipment that they are turning away all but the most seriously wounded

Israel accused of ramming Free Gaza Movement aid boat | World news | guardian.co.uk



It is not ENOUGH evidence Is it ?
 
@Zaki, that's irrelevant to this boat issue. Why the civilians attacked IDF forces, etc. Any info about that specific ship?

Nop, not enough evidence concerning this issue.

Jigs said:
I see commandos raiding a flagged ship in international waters. So does this mean i can raid your home with firearms ?
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Good point.
But that's in Israel's interests. You may feel it's violating what ever, but that's concerning Israel's national security. It'll do it. We can't stop it.

But what the world cares about is Israel attacking CIVILIAN things.

Just so you know.
Yes if you raid my home with firearms, there's nothing I can do.

Take example USA in Pakistan. What do you call these drone strikes? Pak govt approve this? Afghan ops? Invasion of Iraq?

"It happens".
I support Israeal and these blockades as long as I can see that they are being peaceful. And so far, i am not convinced that the so called civilians on that boat didn't attack the IDF forces.

If it was provoked by Israel, I wouldn't be on this thread posting in favor of Israel.
Again, so far no one has proved to me that the IDF forces have provoked this issue, instead i got:

1. Indians suck ****
2. Logical reasonings on "what the people WOULDA done"
3. Is Israel allowed to search these boats?
 
Meengla said:
@Arun,
You are welcome here even though I may differ with your views sometime. Don't be too dejected by people from Pakistani side who may also paint the picture with a broad stroke.
No body should be banned or insulted. Everyone must be heard and reasoned with.
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Thanks for the morale boost and the 'thanks' :cheers:

Zillay_Khan said:
All i ask is to speak the truth , dont be sympathetic to anyone unless you feel it
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I hope you can understand why that statement itself is problematic. There is no need for me to lie on such a topic. If I don't feel sympathetic, I can just keep quiet.

Anyway, an article from BBC

UN members decry Israeli raid on Gaza aid flotilla

Members of the UN Security Council have condemned Israel ahead of an emergency session over Israel's deadly raid on a flotilla of ships carrying aid to Gaza.

At least nine pro-Palestinian activists, some Turkish, were killed when Israeli commandos stormed the ships in international waters.

Turkey's foreign minister called Israel's actions "murder by a state".

Israel's UN envoy said troops acted in self defence when activists attacked them, charges the campaigners deny.

"This flotilla was anything but a humanitarian mission," Israel's deputy UN ambassador Daniel Carmon said.

He said the activists had used "knives, clubs and other weapons" to attack the soldiers who boarded the ship.

The campaigners insist the soldiers opened fire without any provocation.

International outrage

Most of the activists killed are believed to have been Turkish, and Turkey led a chorus of criticism of Israel at the United Nations in New York.

"In simplest terms this is tantamount to banditry and piracy. It is murder conducted by a state," Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said.

"A nation state which follows this path has lost its legitimacy as a respectful member of the international community," he added.

None of the other 15 members of the Security Council was so outspoken in their individual statements, issued ahead of a possible official UN Security Council resolution, but most called for a full investigation and were critical of Israeli actions.

Many - including veto-wielding members France, Russia and China - also demanded an end to the Israeli blockade on Gaza which the aid ships were trying to break.

Israel's closest ally, the United States, expressed concern, although deputy US ambassador to the UN, Alejando Wolff, said it was still not clear what had happened.

"The US is deeply disturbed by the recent violence and regrets the tragic loss of life and injury suffered among those involved in the incident last night, aboard the Gaza bound ships," he said.

"We are working to ascertain the facts. We expect a credible and transparent investigation and strongly urge the Israeli government to investigate the incident fully," he added.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has also called for a full inquiry.

Draft text

Based on the stated positions of Security Council members, it is difficult to see how they can agree on a consensus statement, but that is what they are trying to do now behind closed doors, the BBC's Barbara Plett reports from the UN headquarters.

Diplomats say the draft text condemns the Israeli raid, requests immediate release of the impounded ships, and calls for an international investigation, our correspondent says.

Washington will face pressure to join the international condemnation of Israel, she adds.

There have been demonstrations against the Israeli operation in cities around the world and several countries summoned their Israeli ambassadors demanding an explanation for the violence.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has condemned the Israeli "massacre" and declared three days of mourning across the West Bank.

The Arab League has called for an emergency meeting on Tuesday, as Jordan and Egypt - the two Arab states with peace deals with Israel - sharply condemned the violence.

For many critics of Israel - on the streets and in foreign ministries - it is not just about this single incident at sea, serious and deadly though it was, says the BBC's Jeremy Bowen in Jerusalem.

It is about a pattern of violent and disproportionate behaviour, with Israel playing to its own rules rather than international law, our correspondent says.
 
Turkey withdraws ambassador to Israel over deaths

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AP – A protester cries during a demonstration at Taksim square in Istanbul, Monday, May 31, 2010. About 10,000 …
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Mon May 31, 6:39 am ET

ANKARA, Turkey – Turkey's deputy prime minister says Turkey is withdrawing its ambassador to Israel, canceling three joint military drills and calling on the U.N. Security Council to convene in an emergency session about Israel.

The moves come after 10 pro-Palestinian activists on an aid flotilla were reported killed and dozens wounded by Israeli forces.

Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc says Turkey is withdrawing its ambassador on Monday and also calling back a youth soccer team from Israel. He equates Israel's actions with "piracy."

He rules out deploying Turkish warships in the Mediterranean but severely condemns Israel.

Turkey withdraws ambassador to Israel over deaths - Yahoo! News
 

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