11 policemen taken hostage by TLP released after first round of talks

[M. Sarmad]

Pakistan deep state continues its penchant of using religion for political purposes. No one will be able to put the genie of radical Barelvi Islam back in the bottle now.

 

[Sunshine48]

Why is everyone forgetting what Imran Khan did during his protests in 2014? Was PTI banned and was declared a terrorist party for calling towards civil disobedience, for violating the law and for inciting vigilantism? Why only religious parties are banned under terrorism laws?

 

[M. Sarmad]

Why is everyone forgetting what Imran Khan did during his protests in 2014? Was PTI banned and was declared a terrorist party for calling towards civil disobedience, for violating the law and for inciting vigilantism? Why only religious parties are banned under terrorism laws?

TLP has been proscribed under 11-B 1997 Anti Terrorism Act. The Act defines terrorism as:

6. Terrorism.-

(1) In this Act, “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where:-

(a) the action falls within the meaning of sub-section (2); and

(b) the use or threat is designed to coerce and intimidate or overawe the Government or the public or a section of the public or community or sect 5[or a foreign government or population or an international organization] or create a sense of fear or insecurity in society; or

(c) the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a religious, sectarian or ethnic cause 1[or intimidating and terrorizing the public, social sectors, media persons, business community or attacking the civilians, including damaging property by ransacking, looting, arson or by any other means, government officials, installations, security forces or law enforcement agencies:] 2[Provided that nothing herein contained shall apply to a democratic and religious rally or a peaceful demonstration in accordance with law.]


(2) An “action” shall fall within the meaning of sub-section (1), if it:-

(a) involves the doing of any thing that causes death;

(b) involves grievous violence against a person or grievous bodily injury or harm to a person;

(c) involves grievous damage to property 2[including government premises, official installations, schools, hospitals, offices or any other public or private property including damaging property by ransacking, looting or arson or by any others means;]

(d) involves the doing of any thing that is likely to cause death or endangers person’s life;

(e) involves kidnapping for ransom, hostage-taking or hijacking; 1
[(ee) involves use of explosive by any device including bomb blast 2[or having any explosive substance without any lawful justification or having been unlawfully concerned with such explosive]];

(f) incites hatred and contempt on religious, sectarian or ethnic basis to strip up violence or cause internal disturbance; 2

[(g) involves taking the law in own hand, award of any punishment by an organization, individual or group whatsoever, not recognized by the law, with a view to coerce, intimidate or terrorize public, individuals, groups, communities, government officials and institutions, including law enforcement agencies beyond the purview of the law of the land;]

(h) involves firing on religious congregation, mosques, imambargahs, churches, temples and all other places or worship, or random firing to spread panic, or involves any forcible takeover of mosques or other places of worship;

(i) creates a serious risk to safety of the public or a section of the public, or is designed to frighten the general public and thereby prevent them from coming out and carrying on their lawful trade and daily business, and disrupts civic life;

(j) involves the burning of vehicles or any other serious form of arson;

(k) involves extortion of money (“bhatta”) or property;

(I) is designed to seriously interfere with or seriously disrupt a communication system or public utility service;

(m) involves serious coercion or intimidation of a public servant in order to force him to discharge or to refrain from discharging his lawful duties; 1*

(n) involves serious violence against a member of the police force, armed forces, civil armed forces, or a public servant; 1[

(o) involves in acts as part of armed resistance by groups or individuals against law enforcement agencies; or

(p) involves in dissemination, preaching ideas, teachings and beliefs as per own interpretation on FM stations or through any other means of communication without explicit approval of the government or its concerned departments.]


TLP is guilty on many accounts. (esp. violence against LEAs; 600 policemen injured, many killed, 30 police vehicles destroyed). Even hostage-taking of LEAs personnel alone is enough a ground to declare an organization terrorist as per the law of the land .. And Law of the land has to be followed in any case

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

Jahil ap hone ge - ap bache hai apko politcs ka kuch nhi pata.
دارالعلوم امجدیہ کراچی

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2854748434798683

Lolx and uncle g apko pta he ? Blaming army based one mixed up stuff including a lie ?

TLP has been proscribed under 11-B 1997 Anti Terrorism Act. The Act defines terrorism as:

6. Terrorism.-

(1) In this Act, “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where:-

(a) the action falls within the meaning of sub-section (2); and

(b) the use or threat is designed to coerce and intimidate or overawe the Government or the public or a section of the public or community or sect 5[or a foreign government or population or an international organization] or create a sense of fear or insecurity in society; or

(c) the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a religious, sectarian or ethnic cause 1[or intimidating and terrorizing the public, social sectors, media persons, business community or attacking the civilians, including damaging property by ransacking, looting, arson or by any other means, government officials, installations, security forces or law enforcement agencies:] 2[Provided that nothing herein contained shall apply to a democratic and religious rally or a peaceful demonstration in accordance with law.]


(2) An “action” shall fall within the meaning of sub-section (1), if it:-

(a) involves the doing of any thing that causes death;

(b) involves grievous violence against a person or grievous bodily injury or harm to a person;

(c) involves grievous damage to property 2[including government premises, official installations, schools, hospitals, offices or any other public or private property including damaging property by ransacking, looting or arson or by any others means;]

(d) involves the doing of any thing that is likely to cause death or endangers person’s life;

(e) involves kidnapping for ransom, hostage-taking or hijacking; 1
[(ee) involves use of explosive by any device including bomb blast 2[or having any explosive substance without any lawful justification or having been unlawfully concerned with such explosive]];

(f) incites hatred and contempt on religious, sectarian or ethnic basis to strip up violence or cause internal disturbance; 2

[(g) involves taking the law in own hand, award of any punishment by an organization, individual or group whatsoever, not recognized by the law, with a view to coerce, intimidate or terrorize public, individuals, groups, communities, government officials and institutions, including law enforcement agencies beyond the purview of the law of the land;]

(h) involves firing on religious congregation, mosques, imambargahs, churches, temples and all other places or worship, or random firing to spread panic, or involves any forcible takeover of mosques or other places of worship;

(i) creates a serious risk to safety of the public or a section of the public, or is designed to frighten the general public and thereby prevent them from coming out and carrying on their lawful trade and daily business, and disrupts civic life;

(j) involves the burning of vehicles or any other serious form of arson;

(k) involves extortion of money (“bhatta”) or property;

(I) is designed to seriously interfere with or seriously disrupt a communication system or public utility service;

(m) involves serious coercion or intimidation of a public servant in order to force him to discharge or to refrain from discharging his lawful duties; 1*

(n) involves serious violence against a member of the police force, armed forces, civil armed forces, or a public servant; 1[

(o) involves in acts as part of armed resistance by groups or individuals against law enforcement agencies; or

(p) involves in dissemination, preaching ideas, teachings and beliefs as per own interpretation on FM stations or through any other means of communication without explicit approval of the government or its concerned departments.]


TLP is guilty on many accounts. (esp. violence against LEAs; 600 policemen injured, many killed, 30 police vehicles destroyed). Even hostage-taking of LEAs personnel alone is enough a ground to declare an organization terrorist as per the law of the land .. And Law of the land has to be followed in any case

From PTM to MQM.. from PMLN to PPP to PTI all fall under this law if we go by it.. dont you think ?

 

[HAIDER]

Govt. didn't backout from any agreement. It was parliament that had to decide the fate of French ambassador but TLP started blackmailing Govt. even before the said deadline arrived.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1383884191276822528

https://twitter.com/x/status/1383884194229616642

I saw yesterday's parliament proceeding and exact same doc was discussed ... god knows what's TLP agenda ..

 

[M. Sarmad]

From PTM to MQM.. from PMLN to PPP to PTI all fall under this law if we go by it.. dont you think ?

No, they don't. Read again, carefully.

 

[Goritoes]

From PTM to MQM.. from PMLN to PPP to PTI all fall under this law if we go by it.. dont you think ?

MQM has faced the full Army Operation in 1992, you guys seems to forget that part even those Jinnah Pur maps and conspiracy turned out to be a hoax later, stop spreading misinformation that MQM never faced ban or state, Plus MQM was mainly involved in Extortion , kidnapping and target killing which every political party does, hence you don't see them getting banned, and lastly MQM has a lot of educated and good people in them, only top leadership was playing in laps of India while the worker ( no Unit or sector Workers ) but common MQM supporter was not ready to blow himself with a suicide vest and held Pakistan hostage, Pakistan has already face brutal 15+ years of terrorism because one group wants to bring their version of Shariah for which they slaughter 80k people, now people like you are doing your best to legitimize TLP by giving idiotic excuses for MQM wasn't banned, PPP wasn't banned etc ..Kuch sharam karo, 80k masoon aur 140 APS ke bache bhool gaye ? these people are the biggest blasphemers, they should face the state full fury as they are misusing Islam and Dishonoring Rasool Allah SAW.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

No, they don't. Read again, carefully.

Mere bahi MQM was considered terrorist..
PTM attacked army posts..
PMLN kidnapped our village schools headteacher while he was performing duty in 2013 election and countless other incidents
PTI (even tho I am supporter of Khan Sahb Vision) did a lot of same sh*t including attack on PTV...

 

[fitpOsitive]

then you will be too murderer like these terrorists,
they killed with ak47 or by french kissing, or by farting, it does not matter. they are murderer and were terrorizing people.

I can assure you that this time govt is not dealing with tablighis of Lal Masjid.
Protesters were indeed unarmed, may be with sticks. Killing these people, and bowing in front of France will certainly not go well for both, govt of Pakistan and France.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

MQM was mainly involved in Extortion , kidnapping and target killing which every political party does

Thanks for proving the point

 

[Goritoes]

Thanks for proving the point

Proves nothing, TLP is a terrorists organization with potential of literally destroying the entire Pakistan because they use Religion as their front cover, MQM PPP are Political party which never use Religion to rally their supporters or for killing, hence with Strong state will MQM was crushed, and so will PPP when time comes, but even at the height of Operation MQM did not resort to use religion as cover or threat to bomb Pakistani cities, i doubt even PPP will do that even if Zardari or Bilawal is arrested tomorrow, but TLP is basically a TTP 2.0 in making, these Religious thugs are crazy, dangerous and criminals of the highest order, and worse part is that they use religion to rally people, which in Pakistan turn humans into barbaric monsters.

I can assure you that this time govt is not dealing with tablighis of Lal Masjid.
Protesters were indeed unarmed, may be with sticks. Killing these people, and bowing in front of France will certainly not go well for both, govt of Pakistan and France.

When you will join the Protest? they can use one more person in the herd.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Mere bahi MQM was considered terrorist..
PTM attacked army posts..
PMLN kidnapped our village schools headteacher while he was performing duty in 2013 election and countless other incidents
PTI (even tho I am supporter of Khan Sahb Vision) did a lot of same sh*t including attack on PTV...

Operation clean-up was conducted in Karachi in 1992 on the pretext of eliminating all terrorists .. The law in discussion was enacted in 1997 only ..

PTM is ethno-fascist .. As of yet they are non-violent

As for PPP, PMLN or PTI, none of them (on organisational level) has ever done anything remotely similar to what TLP has been doing for the last few days. TLP is deliberately targeting LEAs i.e attacking the state .. not much different from TTP

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

Proves nothing, TLP is a terrorists organization with potential of literally destroying the entire Pakistan because they use Religion as their front cover, MQM PPP are Political party which never use Religion to rally their supporters or for killing, hence with Strong state will MQM was crushed, and so will PPP when time comes, but even at the height of Operation MQM did not resort to use religion as cover or threat to bomb Pakistani cities, i doubt even PPP will do that even if Zardari or Bilawal is arrested tomorrow, but TLP is basically a TTP 2.0 in making, these Religious thugs are crazy, dangerous and criminals of the highest order, and worse part is that they use religion to rally people, which in Pakistan turn humans into barbaric monsters.


When you will join the Protest? they can use one more person in the herd.

Mere bahi TLP is a registered political party... which has got members in national Assembly of Pakistan... stop making enemies out of everyone.. if you treat them as a terrorist party they will not only act like one but will become one in long run not the party leaders but the political workers... treat them as a political party and punish em for their wrong by reducing their actual power outright ban isn't the solution..

Secondly proves the point that not only political parties in Pakistan do illegal stuff but are involved in terrorism too including the party/ies I support..

And if you ban TLP or treat them as a terror outfit they will become one not at the top but at the bottom their followers will be much easily become victim of ISIS and TTP propaganda...

You need to control and reduce TLPs power to a level that it does not become a threat... with Khadim it was easy because he never wanted to harm Pakistan now with his son its somewhat same but when you have him in jail with others their goons will simply become uncontrollable.. and they did and jalti pe tel ka kaam police ne kardia..

I have been called a Mullah for this view but what I say is just my opinion.. just think of it as this if you ban TLP 2 things will happen
1) TLP as Khadim Rizvi himself said will come up with a new name and identity..
2) it will actually have anti state narrative in its lines down in party workers.. top leaders will never go against Pakistan or the state..

And even if you get rid of TLP in a way that no threat remains you will soon have a new religious threat (not TLP with new name/identity) but some other group because people in Pakistan have a soft spot for their faith which is used by these lot.. hopefully you understand where I come from

Operation clean-up was conducted in Karachi in 1992 on the pretext of eliminating all terrorists .. The law in discussion was enacted in 1997 only ..

My bad I mentioned em.. I know they are no more

PTM is ethno-fascist .. As of yet they are non-violent

Yet to become non violent ? They have attacked our soldiers many times..

As for PPP, PMLN or PTI, none of them (on organisational level) has ever done anything remotely similar to what TLP has been doing for the last few days. TLP is deliberately targeting LEAs i.e attacking the state .. not much different from TTP

PPP burned down trains after Bibi died..
PMLN model town, hit and run and many other
PTI PTV case

Bahi there are many but our problem is we overlook certain parties... yaha koi b saaf nai.. I support PTI because of Khan Sahbs vision but even in PTI there are 2 number workers..

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

It's not good.

Need to resolve the differences by talk and peacefully.. Kidnapping or killing is not a solution.

 

[Goritoes]

Mere bahi TLP is a registered political party...

What is their Political Agenda, enlighten us please ?

And if you ban TLP or treat them as a terror outfit they will become one

Wow very convenient for the so called Ashiqaan-e-Rasool, they blackmail the State, burn and destroy Property and if State or elected Parliament does not give up to their demand so they have legitimate reason to become a Terrorist outfit , Wah Wah kia logic layen hai Sir.