Israel Defense Forces

[500]

Just 4 or two more?

Israel currently has 3 "Dolphins" (enlarged 212 without AIP).

Two "Dolphin 2" (enlarged 212 with AIP) are passing tests and must enter service this year.

One additional "Dolphin 2" is being built now. So 6 total.

"Dolphin 2" and 212:

 

[TeesraIndiotHunter]

Israel currently has 3 "Dolphins" (enlarged 212 without AIP).

Two "Dolphin 2" (enlarged 212 with AIP) are passing tests and must enter service this year.

One additional "Dolphin 2" is being built now. So 6 total.

"Dolphin 2" and 212:

What kind of nuclear weapons does Dolphin submarines of Israel carry?

ICBMs? or Cruise missiles? both?

 

[Natan]

What kind of nuclear weapons does Dolphin submarines of Israel carry?

ICBMs? or Cruise missiles? both?

Officially - none.

Non-officially - do you see any room for vertical missile silos on these subs?

 

[500]

What kind of nuclear weapons does Dolphin submarines of Israel carry?

ICBMs? or Cruise missiles? both?

212 has 6 533-mm torpedo tubes.
Dolphin has 6 533-mm torpedo tubes + 4 650-mm torpedo tubes.

 

[500]

The new IDF AF trainer jet M-346I Lavi:

IDF ordered 30 of them. Its going to replace A-4 Skyhawks.

 

[500]

Goodbye A-4, you served us well since 1967:

 

[anonymus]

Israel currently has 3 "Dolphins" (enlarged 212 without AIP).

Two "Dolphin 2" (enlarged 212 with AIP) are passing tests and must enter service this year.

One additional "Dolphin 2" is being built now. So 6 total.

"Dolphin 2" and 212:

Dude,

Could a non AIP submarine provide credible nuclear deterrence.

 

[500]

Dude,

Could a non AIP submarine provide credible nuclear deterrence.

Yes. Non AIP submarine can also carry nuclear weapons. AIP simply can stay longer under the water.

 

[anonymus]

Yes. Non AIP submarine can also carry nuclear weapons. AIP simply can stay longer under the water.

They could carry but won't it make them an easy target at least for Turkish or Pakistani Navy and reduce the deterrence against European Navies. Location of an Non AIP submarine is far easier to Guess than that of an AIP which is easier to guess than Nuclear Submarine.

 

[revojam]

Can you post more pictures/videos showing Merkava 4's modular armors like this one? A video shows adding/removal of armors would perfect or a naked/not naked picture comprasion.

 

[500]

Can you post more pictures/videos showing Merkava 4's modular armors like this one? A video shows adding/removal of armors would perfect or a naked/not naked picture comprasion.

Mk4 scheme:

Naked Mk4 turret:

Mk4 without side module:

Mk 4 scheme:

Mk3D side module being removed:

 

[500]

They could carry but won't it make them an easy target at least for Turkish or Pakistani Navy and reduce the deterrence against European Navies. Location of an Non AIP submarine is far easier to Guess than that of an AIP which is easier to guess than Nuclear Submarine.

Modern submarine like Dolphin is very very hard target for any navy. At speeds of about 5 knots its noise is lower than backround sea level and it can go for 4-5 days. After that it needs to recharge the battery. AIP submarine can go for over 2 weeks at same speed.

 

[TeesraIndiotHunter]

@Natan

212 has 6 533-mm torpedo tubes.
Dolphin has 6 533-mm torpedo tubes + 4 650-mm torpedo tubes.

Hey, arming a submarine bought from other nation with nuclear weapons---isn't it illegal or something Germans would be uneasy with?

The submarine looks huge btw....

Fucking Germans didn't sell U-214s to us though We'll probably get a better deal with China and get submarines with pumpjet technology...

 

[Natan]

@Natan
Hey, arming a submarine bought from other nation with nuclear weapons---isn't it illegal or something Germans would be uneasy with?

The submarine looks huge btw....

Would it be any less legal than carying a nuclear bomb on an aircraft bought from other nation?

In a more serious note, Dolphin-class subs were especially designed and initially produced with four 650mm launch-tubes that are supposed to fit with unknown devices slightly larger than all-NATO-standard 533mm submarine-based anti-ship missiles and torpedoes. German engineers and shipbuilders aren't blind and aren't stupid.

Dolphin-II are the largest subs build in Germany after WW2, but they are still tiny if you compare them with Ohio-class, Borei-class, Vanguard-class...

 

[anonymus]

Dolphin-II are the largest subs build in Germany after WW2, but they are still tiny if you compare them with Ohio-class, Borei-class, Vanguard-class...

But all those Sub's were Nuclear powered and most of the space was taken up by Nuclear reactor.

+ legally it is don't ask don't tell policy.

Modern submarine like Dolphin is very very hard target for any navy. At speeds of about 5 knots its noise is lower than backround sea level and it can go for 4-5 days. After that it needs to recharge the battery. AIP submarine can go for over 2 weeks at same speed.

Well if an Submarine travels for 4-5 days on battery power, it would have to spend a considerable amount of time on periscope depth in order to recharge it'e batteries and at 5 Knot's a submarine would only be 220 KM away from it's position of last sighting in 5 days with it moving only44 KM per day.

Anyway you people are getting AIP on next subs.