Islamic Union

[Patriot]

The requirement for this union would be that you will have to drop your nationalism like Arab Nationalism, Benglai Nationalism or any ethnic Nationalism.You will care for well being of all Muslims all over the world.If Muslims are stuck somewhere the government will help them..(Ejaz: This is on the lines of Ottomon Empire etc..not like Talibans ideology).Something like Soviet Union but based on Islamic Laws, culture.There will be republics of the empire like Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Islamic Republic of IRan, islamic Republic of Malaysia etc..to help each other islamic countries in trade, military etc and solve mutual disputes so Muslims don't fight each other.Obviously it is not realistic but just giving an idea.

 

[Omar1984]

KAMAL ATATURK'S TURKEY IS NOT MUSLIM, my brother

Turkey does have an over-whelming majority Muslim population (98% Muslim population) but the country is not an Islamic Republic.

 

[R.A.W.]

That would be really great.. Would turky be also part of this union.. if yes then i think india can also join this as we have second largest muslim population.. wat you guys think?

Yes it would be great if India also joins it. So that Indian Muslims can be uplifted much more economically.

And out friends who feel about economic injustice done to the Indian Muslims will be able to contribute and invest into the uplift.

 

[R.A.W.]

The requirement for this union would be that you will have to drop your nationalism like Arab Nationalism, Benglai Nationalism or any ethnic Nationalism.You will care for well being of all Muslims all over the world.If Muslims are stuck somewhere the government will help them..(Ejaz: This is on the lines of Ottomon Empire etc..not like Talibans ideology).Something like Soviet Union but based on Islamic Laws, culture.There will be republics of the empire like Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Islamic Republic of IRan, islamic Republic of Malaysia etc..to help each other islamic countries in trade, military etc and solve mutual disputes so Muslims don't fight each other.Obviously it is not realistic but just giving an idea.

What about the Muslims living overseas with other nationalities which is quite a high percentage. I mean Muslims in India, Europe and America?

 

[Patriot]

Indian guys please stop trolling..Only Muslim country with majority Muslim population could join it.Others could migrate to these countries.The Islamic Union would b like Israel..it will accept refugees from all over the world as long as they are Muslims.It will be built for well being of Muslims.The union would not be based on cruel ideology of talibans and AQ but it will be built for interest of Muslims.Muslims like Osama would be executed as they are criminals.

 

[Omar1984]

Well as a muslim, I would intrude here. First of all if you want to call it an Islamic union, is this mandated by the Quran? Does it require us to create this? Is this one of the pillars of Islam? Is it necessary to attain salvation and lead a pious life?
No.

What we are required to do is to be good muslims, set moral examples and have excellent manners and follow principles such as honesty, justice and morality all of which are sorely lacking in muslims as a whole today.

If you go through the approach that getting political power first and that to on the basis of Islam will solve the problem, you are mistaken. The result is MMA and JI type parties and their more extreme versions like TTP and Al-Qaeda.

Is'nt it about time muslims realized that people have only abused religion in the name of politics?

Many authentic hadith says the Muslim Ummah is like one body.

Some more benefits of an Islamic Union:

The crossroads and transit routes of world trade are located within Muslim majority areas. Considering that the canals and straights joining the Black and Mediterranean seas, the Mediterranean Sea with the Persian Gulf, and the Persian Gulf with the Arabian Sea. Additionally, the world's richest lands, in terms of such strategically important natural resources as oil and natural gas, are located in Muslim countries. The effective use of these resources represents a strategic opportunity for the Islamic world to increase its impact on world politics.

And just like a European Union, most Muslim majority countries have their land connected with each other.

Why not make a Union, I only see benefits in making a Union with Muslim majority countries.

 

[Comet]

KAMAL ATATURK'S TURKEY IS NOT MUSLIM, my brother

The system of the government is secular in Turkey but People are still Muslims.

 

[EjazR]

The requirement for this union would be that you will have to drop your nationalism like Arab Nationalism, Benglai Nationalism or any ethnic Nationalism. You will care for well being of all Muslims all over the world.If Muslims are stuck somewhere the government will help them..(Ejaz: This is on the lines of Ottomon Empire etc..not like Talibans ideology).Something like Soviet Union but based on Islamic Laws, culture.There will be republics of the empire like Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Islamic Republic of IRan, islamic Republic of Malaysia etc..to help each other islamic countries in trade, military etc and solve mutual disputes so Muslims don't fight each other.Obviously it is not realistic but just giving an idea.

You don't need to have an "Islamic union" to do that. how many muslims honestly pay their zakat annually? If every muslim paid their zakat, and that zakat charity was honestly given to the person in need, would any one go hungry?

And what about the concern of the ummah of Muhammad (SAW). Ummat-e-Muhammad includes every human being from the time of prophet to the last person, should'nt we be caring for all the under privileged among the ummah?


Until majority of the muslims come back to qualities of Muslim, their manners, their values of honesty for which they were known, they will continue to have problems.

The OIC is an example, the union of Jordan and Egypt as one country is another example. Learn history so that we don't repeat the same mistakes. The AQ are extreme cases. The moral of the story is, using Islam in politics will lead to its abuse, more often than not intentional abuse.

This does not mean that the leader of the countries should not be devout muslims. On the contrary, I think any person who is following true principles of Islam but separates it from his political decisions would have a stronger moral character, and that goes for any religion I guess.

 

[R.A.W.]

Indian guys please stop trolling..Only Muslim country with majority Muslim population could join it.Others could migrate to these countries.The Islamic Union would b like Israel..it will accept refugees from all over the world as long as they are Muslims.It will be built for well being of Muslims.The union would not be based on cruel ideology of talibans and AQ but it will be built for interest of Muslims.Muslims like Osama would be executed as they are criminals.

Let me ask you a question....

If some sort of discrimination happens to a Muslim community based in Europe will the Islamic union interfere in between when it itself has rejected the person on the grounds of different nationality or not belonging to the Islamic Union or his native place.

Secondly Will the countries be ready to open the gates of their nations to flood people from across the nations and put pressure on their already existing population where we in India itself have about 15 million Muslims.

 

[vsdoc]

Who is going to head this Union?

Based on what - population? money? army? divine decision from above?

How are resources going to be put in .... and taken out or distributed?

You speak of refugees?

Which country of the Union is going to allocate land for this?

Or is there going to be a seat sharing quota put aside?

Or is the Union going to negotiate / carve up the land from the country of origin?

Sounds interesting ......

Cheers, Doc

 

[Patriot]

Let me ask you a question....

If some sort of discrimination happens to a Muslim community based in Europe will the Islamic union interfere in between when it itself has rejected the person on the grounds of different nationality or not belonging to the Islamic Union or his native place.

Secondly Will the countries be ready to open the gates of their nations to flood people from across the nations and put pressure on their already existing population where we in India itself have about 15 million Muslims.

What discrimination..We're talking about states here not people.Would European union let Pakistan in it even if it was in europe..or why do you think Turkey is not allowed to be in EU?

 

[vsdoc]

Interesting map Omar ..... India really sticks out like a "kabab mein haddi" smack dab in between the dark-ish green swathe though.

Pity ..... but I'm sure there will be workarounds the Union will manage.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Patriot]

Who is going to head this Union?

Based on what - population? money? army? divine decision from above?

How are resources going to be put in .... and taken out or distributed?

You speak of refugees?

Which country of the Union is going to allocate land for this?

Or is there going to be a seat sharing quota put aside?

Or is the Union going to negotiate / carve up the land from the country of origin?

Sounds interesting ......

Cheers, Doc

Every state would function as it is.The heads of these states make decision mutually.All countries will bear the brunt of refugees..rich muslim states will accept more.

 

[Patriot]

You don't need to have an "Islamic union" to do that. how many muslims honestly pay their zakat annually? If every muslim paid their zakat, and that zakat charity was honestly given to the person in need, would any one go hungry?

And what about the concern of the ummah of Muhammad (SAW). Ummat-e-Muhammad includes every human being from the time of prophet to the last person, should'nt we be caring for all the under privileged among the ummah?


Until majority of the muslims come back to qualities of Muslim, their manners, their values of honesty for which they were known, they will continue to have problems.

The OIC is an example, the union of Jordan and Egypt as one country is another example. Learn history so that we don't repeat the same mistakes. The AQ are extreme cases. The moral of the story is, using Islam in politics will lead to its abuse, more often than not intentional abuse.

This does not mean that the leader of the countries should not be devout muslims. On the contrary, I think any person who is following true principles of Islam but separates it from his political decisions would have a stronger moral character, and that goes for any religion I guess.

You are right and that's why i said its not very realistic idea but its only possible if Muslims becomes united..Ottomon Empire did work for several decades.

 

[R.A.W.]

What discrimination..We're talking about states here not people.Would European union let Pakistan in it even if it was in europe..or why do you think Turkey is not allowed to be in EU?

European Union is the union of countries of Europe it has nothing to do with religion neither it is based on religious grounds. And European Union does not count itself accountable for Christians across the planet.

What my question is will the Union fight for the Muslim living outside the Union where the union has already declined the country for being the part of the union on the grounds of minority or a secular nation....

If yes then union has already denied access to the Islamic Union so it has no right to interfere in the affairs of that nation.

If no then the very much foundation of the union becomes flawed for standing for the rights of Muslims

So this can only be possible only by bringing all Muslims under the single umbrella as Muslims are scattered all over the place from from secular to christian societies.