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where is the link to a directed policy of psychological warfare conducted through orders passed down the established chain of command?

If you are looking for a written directive explicitly acknowledging such a policy, then there is none, and I don't expect the Indian government to be stupid enough to make one public.

My comment is about the effective policy and I substantiated that by links to systematic atrocities and how such atrocities are perceived by the Kashmiri people. Psychological intimidation is a well known tactic employed throughout history and the behavior pattern of Indian security forces in Kashmir matches such tactics.

You may refuse to accept that such a policy exists, short of an explicit government acknowledgement, and that's fine.
 
Militancy in Kashmir is waning....
It's writing on the wall which Pakistan refuses to see that it's Proxy war in Kashmir is a lost cause ....

Sooner it realizes better it will be for everybody !


Here is an old article by Nadeem Paracha regarding why militancy in Kashmir has failed ...


Failure of militancy - DAWN.COM



The moment (in the 1990s) the ‘Kashmir struggle’ allowed its militant aspect to rudely overshadow the doings of the more moderate All Party Hurriyat Conference (APHC) and the Jamuha Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) I was convinced the movement was doomed.
Alas, like most movements (involving Muslims) of the 20th Century that adopted what is called Political Islam as its calling card, the Kashmir militancy too collapsed under its own weight.
Now compare this with the uprising of the Kashmiris in the last two or three years, led by the APHC and JKLF against the Indian state.
One can clearly notice the difference. Like the three Palestinian Intifada movements, the recent Kashmiri uprising too has nothing to do with bombs, beheadings and assorted terrorist tactics. Instead, the movement is now unfolding on the streets with stones, flags, speeches and slogans confronting bullets, arrests and teargas.
This movement has put the Indian government and state under more domestic and international pressure than the armed militant movement was ever able to.
In fact, armed militancy in this respect has actually mutated and mangled the look of the whole issue, attracting more condemnation than sympathy.
And, barring Pakistan, this condemnation did not only come from countries that are expected to play a more sympathetic role towards the Kashmiris’ legitimate demands of self-determination. The bulk of the Kashmiris too were left feeling exhausted and cornered by the actions of the armed militants.
In other words, uprisings in Kashmir in the last five years are not only a conformation of the Kashmiris’ resolute commitment to look for its own destiny as a nation, but in a way, it is also a bold act of stamping a seal of disapproval against the tactics of the armed groups.
So what went wrong, or for that matter, right?
The movement that revived itself in 1987 when the Kashmiris accused the Indian government of rigging that year’s polls in the valley was soon overtaken and infiltrated by elements advocating an armed uprising against the Indian state.
The inspiration in this respect was the armed success of the mujahideen against the Soviet-backed regime in Afghanistan. The mujahideen were an armed movement of various Islamist groups driven by the philosophical dictates of Political Islam.
According to most political historians, the years between 1988 and 1997 were a vital period in the history of movements advocating Political Islam.
But it was a paradoxical event because this is also the period in which modern Political Islam witnessed a kind of an upsurge that also eventually led to its own downfall.
Modern Political Islam is closely associated with three central figures: Pakistan’s Abul Ala Madudi, Egypt’s Syed Qutb and Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini.
Political Islam, also called “Islamism,” is a collection of ideologies advocating Islam as a political system. It must be noted that there is a difference between Political Islam (whose advocates are also called Islamists), and Islamic Fundamentalism.
Islamists do not shun western science and philosophy like the fundamentalists do. Instead, Islamists have been known to advocate the thorough study of western intellectual, political and cultural trends in an attempt to challenge them through their understanding and interpretation of Islam.
This has made the writings of Islamists rather fascinating. However, the discourse between Islam and Western secularism that the Islamists present eventually mutates from being an absorbing, intellectual exercise into becoming a somewhat frail ostentation, especially when the Islamists use the discourse to derive a suggestive political program.
For example, at the culmination of their otherwise well-informed intellectual discourses, Abul Ala Madudi (who in turn inspired Syed Qutb), ended up suggesting the reinstatement of the traditional caliphate system in place of Western political and economic systems like democracy and socialism.
Of course, in spite of the sound intellectuality behind their discourses, it was rather casually forgotten by the Islamist intellectuals that the history of the caliphate system that they were using to justify their argument too was riddled with the cynicism and cut-throat politics that they were decrying about the so-called western political ideologies.
When questioned and criticised in this regard, the Islamists suggest that the “true implementation of Islamic Law (the sharia),” will take care of such an eventuality. It’s just like saying that had Stalin not distorted Marxism, Communism would have been the finest politico-economic system. It’s a hurried, vague and Utopian assumption.
The truth is that the founding members of modern Political Islam were first and foremost interested in positioning Islam against Marxism and Socialism.
This was because at the time of these learned gentlemen, Socialism and Marxism were the two ideologies that were influencing Muslim nationalists the most (in the 1950s and ‘60s).
For example, Syed Qutb’s “Muslim Brotherhood” was opposed to Gamal Abul Nasser’s “Arab Socialism” in Egypt, and against “Ba’ath Socialism” that was taking root in Iraq and Syria.
The “Islamic Socialism” behind the Algerian independence movement against the French too was looked down upon.
On the other end, Maududi’s Political Islam became the basis of movements against Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s “Islamic Socialism” in Pakistan and against the left-leaning dictatorship of Sukarno in Indonesia in the 1960s.
It was ironic that thanks to the dynamics of the Cold War, Islamists found themselves in the “American camp” due to Nato and the United States’ opposition to Muslim leaders who were considered to be anti-West, “Socialist” and thus pro-Soviet Union.
As a result throughout the Cold War the Islamists’ radical anti-West angle largely remained to be nothing more than a literary and an intellectual exercise, whereas the political and active sides of the ideology were mostly reflected through movements against the left (Marxism, Socialism, Arab Socialism, Islamic Socialism, etc.).
This is at least one reason why when Political Islam, even in countries where it managed to find some implementation (such as Pakistan and Sudan in the 1980s and Afghanistan in the 1990s), only managed to generate superficial changes.
What’s more, due to the ethnic, tribal and religious pluralism of the societies in which Political Islam aspired to implement itself as a singular concept of “true Islam”, caused huge social and political fissures and fractures.
Political Islam’s consequent failure to produce the desired results that its intellectuals had promised, and also its doctrinal involvement in the armed “jihad” in Afghanistan, generated the creation of modern-day Islamic militancy.
This militancy too faced the same problems in trying to triumph with a singular concept of Islam and the sharia in the face of the social and religious complications that run across Muslim countries.
So much so that by the late 1990s, Political Islam had devolved into what we now call “Islamic fundamentalism,” and/or stripped clean off its intellectual moorings and reduced to being an ideology of pure terror and having a myopic and narrow understanding of Islam and of the West. Entities like the al Qaeda, Tehreek-e-Taliban and the many militant outfits that were active in Kashmir (Harakat ul-Mujahedeen, Jaish-e-Muhammad, Lashkar-e-Taiba), are clear examples.
So it was heartening to hear Kashmir leaders like Bhatt and Yasin distancing themselves from those aspects of the movement that have caused nothing more than bloodshed, pain and chaos, more at the cost of the Kashmiris’ rather than their ‘occupiers.’
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Nadeem F. Paracha is a cultural critic and senior columnist for Dawn Newspaper and Dawn.com

Nadeem F. Paracha is widely regarded to be a traitor, kuffar sympathizing snake.
 
It is amazing that these people just refuse to change their views despite the world having completely changed around them.

They still continue to support the same terrorists who kill and attack them as well! That is something they hope against hope will be a passing phase and they will be back to murdering kaffirs soon enough.

Of course the propaganda fed since childhood (all those Kashmir diaries on PTV, all those Indian soldiers "halaq"ed and the terrorists "martyr"ed every day in their report, enough for the entire IA to be "halaq"ed over the period of the decades of propaganda) would have an effect.

And it is not easy for pliable minds not encouraged to think beyond rote learning and hating "Hindu India" (that saved them from Islamist persecution in their own country) to change and learn to accept facts.
One does hope such terror support is being monitored somewhere and will lead to consequences.



Every second posters hates Hindu person be it Pakistani or Indian Hindu

Passing phase.................... yes living in denial or dreams?????

Saying Kashmir is troubled when only few terrorist attacks a year while calling Pakistan a jannat when terrorists attack every day
 
Nadeem F. Paracha is widely regarded to be a traitor, kuffar sympathizing snake.

People can question Nadeen Paracha or likes ...they may also question the truth about Kashmir

but sooner or later truth will show up itself

People of Kashmir are tired of militancy ....
and whatever local support may have existed has been dwindling fast ...

had it not been article 370 which created barrier for Kashmir's integration with rest of India .. we may witnessed altogether different Kashmir today .

Pakistan's proxy war to bleed India with thousand cuts has failed ....

and that's the truth ....People may not be able to accept that as yet . But can't help it ...some people are meant to be fooled with utter lies ....It's their nature to day dream ...
 
If you are looking for a written directive explicitly acknowledging such a policy, then there is none, and I don't expect the Indian government to be stupid enough to make one public.

My comment is about the effective policy and I substantiated that by links to systematic atrocities and how such atrocities are perceived by the Kashmiri people. Psychological intimidation is a well known tactic employed throughout history and the behavior pattern of Indian security forces in Kashmir matches such tactics.

You may refuse to accept that such a policy exists, short of an explicit government acknowledgement, and that's fine.

And I guess you will now substantiate the above with exhaustive analysis of said behavior pattern on a case by case basis of all the missteps which have occurred.

In short you cannot prove that the missteps, which are of an appreciable quantum only because the conflict in question is now well into the third decade since its beginning in 89-88, are not aberrations but rather derived from policy and therefore constitute complicity at the highest level of the Indian state. After all the sheer number of said missteps must be contextualized within the chronological span of the conflict and the number of citizens of the Indian state of Kashmir who have been safeguarded from Islamic extremists and terrorists.

At best you are lamenting the collateral damage and the missteps which occur due to the psychological conditions and atmosphere associated with a low intensity conflict zone and/or asymmetrical combat (a phenomenon which has been widely researched since the Vietnam war days), as such take heart in the fact that we too lament the loss of our citizens and always endeavor to provide justice when the loss is caused by our own actions, a loss to which the likes of the LeT and whoever their masters maybe have contributed directly by engaging in said protracted asymmetrical warfare in the Indian state of Kashmir.
 
And I guess you will now substantiate the above with exhaustive analysis of said behavior pattern on a case by case basis of all the missteps which have occurred.

In short you cannot prove that the missteps, which are of an appreciable quantum only because the conflict in question is now well into the third decade since its beginning in 89-88, are not aberrations but rather derived from policy and therefore constitute complicity at the highest level of the Indian state. After all the sheer number of said missteps must be contextualized within the chronological span of the conflict and the number of citizens of the Indian state of Kashmir who have been safeguarded from Islamic extremists and terrorists.

At best you are lamenting the collateral damage and the missteps which occur due to the psychological conditions and atmosphere associated with a low intensity conflict zone and/or asymmetrical combat (a phenomenon which has been widely researched since the Vietnam war days), as such take heart in the fact that we too lament the loss of our citizens and always endeavor to provide justice when the loss is caused by our own actions, a loss to which the likes of the LeT and whoever their masters maybe have contributed to directly by engaging in said protracted asymmetrical warfare in the Indian state of Kashmir.

The pattern of brutality by Indian security forces has been documented. Such a consistent and widespread pattern of behavior (mass rapes, summary executions, abductions, torture) by occupation forces amounts to psychological intimidation. It has been observed in other conflict-zones throughout history -- from Africa to Europe and Asia -- and Kashmir is no exception.

It is only your intellectual dishonesty which prevents you from acknowledging it.

The rest of your post is regurgitated Indian propaganda and can be summarily ignored.
 
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Just as a question.. who else ran this apart from ToI?

After all, one starts questioning ToI after they report accurate details of a supposedly top secret intelligence operation in another country. "The Hindu" is a much more ethical and trustworthy source for news IMHO.

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The pattern of brutality by Indian security forces has been documented. Such a consistent and widespread pattern of behavior by occupation forces amounts to psychological intimidation.

It is only your intellectual dishonesty which prevents you from acknowledging it.

The rest of your post is regurgitated Indian propaganda and can be summarily ignored.

Indeed, I am sure it can be.

You are yet to provide any substantiation for your original claim that half a million soldiers have been deployed to police the Kashmir valley in the Indian state of Kashmir, that the army formations at the AGPL are in fact not present at the AGPL but rather are used to police said region in order to oppress the Indian citizens who populate said region, and/or that by dint of being deployed in the proximity of said region (said proximity of deployment being a direct consequence of geography and the fact that the border is a hot border due to the actions of Pakistan) they are part of some doctrine of psychological warfare which hinges upon a large quantum of force being deployed in said proximity for said purpose rather than for the purpose of guarding the border against external military aggression.

This argument is after all limited to that very specific assertion of yours.


As I said, if we were to simply depend upon our opinions sans hard facts then a lot of allegations/reports/exposes could be used to assert a lot of things as fundamentally factual and therefore true. So much for intellectual dishonesty.
 
The pattern of brutality by Indian security forces has been documented. Such a consistent and widespread pattern of behavior by occupation forces amounts to psychological intimidation. It has been observed in other conflict-zones throughout history -- from Africa to Europe and Asia -- and Kashmir is no exception.

It is only your intellectual dishonesty which prevents you from acknowledging it.

The rest of your post is regurgitated Indian propaganda and can be summarily ignored.

Pakistan has contributed to the violence that has been going on in Kashmir for last several decades ...
and it's your intellectual dishonesty that's preventing you from acknowledging it .

You are contradicting yourself ..in one breath you talk of brutality of Indian security forces and in another you accept that it's pattern seen across all conflict zones ....from asia , Europe to Africa ....Kashmir being no exception .

Now you will have to find way to wriggle out of your own mumbo-jumbo !
 
Indeed, I am sure it can be.

You are yet to provide any substantiation for your original claim that half a million soldiers have been deployed to police the Kashmir valley in the Indian state of Kashmir, that the army formations at the AGPL are in fact not present at the AGPL but rather are used to police said region in order to oppress the Indian citizens who populate said region, and/or that by dint of being deployed in the proximity of said region (said proximity of deployment being a direct consequence of geography and the fact that the border is a hot border due to the actions of Pakistan) they are part of some doctrine of psychological warfare which hinges upon a large quantum of force being deployed in said proximity for said purpose rather than for the purpose of guarding the border against external military aggression.

As I said, if we were to simply depend upon our opinions sans hard facts then a lot of allegations/reports/exposes could be used to assert a lot of things as fundamentally factual and therefore true. So much for intellectual dishonesty.

You attempt at pseudo-legalese to try and give legitimacy to your post is comical, since there is no actual substance to your post.

All you are saying -- in so many words -- is that you won't believe anything unless there is a written directive from the Indian government.

As I already explained, I don't expect the Indian govt. to be dumb enough to make such a policy public. My argument is based on documented behavior patterns. Patterns which are consistent with psychological intimidation in other conflict zones. I also explained the role of the army at large but I don't expect you to understand it.
 
Indeed, I am sure it can be.

You are yet to provide any substantiation for your original claim that half a million soldiers have been deployed to police the Kashmir valley in the Indian state of Kashmir, that the army formations at the AGPL are in fact not present at the AGPL but rather are used to police said region in order to oppress the Indian citizens who populate said region, and/or that by dint of being deployed in the proximity of said region (said proximity of deployment being a direct consequence of geography and the fact that the border is a hot border due to the actions of Pakistan) they are part of some doctrine of psychological warfare which hinges upon a large quantum of force being deployed in said proximity for said purpose rather than for the purpose of guarding the border against external military aggression.

As I said, if we were to simply depend upon our opinions sans hard facts then a lot of allegations/reports/exposes could be used to assert a lot of things as fundamentally factual and therefore true. So much for intellectual dishonesty.

Truth is that some people are unable to get over the fact that Indian deployment in Kashmir has nullified their proxy war in there .

and hence Indian security forces are thorn in their flesh ....

that's the reason why we see perennial propaganda of brutality by Indian security forces .

Isolated cases of brutality are whipped up periodically to militancy alive ...
 
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