Is Pakistan aiding Syrian rebels?

[Pakistani E]

Basher al Assad is a homicidal bloody thirsty mad dictator who's security forces pick up random innocent civilians and kill them, and Hezbullah are acting like nothing but tools for this mass murdered. That said, I hope the Pak government is not helping takfiri terrorists or bending over backwards for the Saudis. All this sectarian bullshit in Pakistan started because the wahabi Saudis attempted to undermine Shia Iran through Pakistan after the Iranian revolution. I hope these middle eastern nations take their crap out of Pakistan, so I'm not even that mad if illegitimate Saudi takfiri children (Taliban/LeJ/alqaeda) are leaving Pakistan for Syria. Less trash for us to throw out.

 

[illusion8]

conspiracy theories.

Not really..

Riyadh wins Islamabad’s support on Syria
Ouster of Assad regime: Riyadh wins Islamabad’s support on Syria – The Express Tribune

Qaeda Militants Seek Syria Base, U.S. Officials Say
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/26/world/middleeast/qaeda-militants-seek-syria-base-us-officials-say.html?_r=0

Pakistani Taliban sets up base in Syria; sends Arab, Uzbek fighters
Pakistani Taliban sets up base in Syria; sends Arab, Uzbek fighters

Turkey Says Pakistan-trained Militants Fighting In Syria ‹ Newsweek Pakistan

 

[F117]

I largely agree with you - but you need to consider this too.

NATO brought in a helluva lot of sophisticated firepower and army personnel compared to what the whole SAA has.

the taliban retreated into Pakistani sanctuaries because that's how they fight.

The SAA is fighting in a 80% hostile population area in Syria where they are a minority.

I am sure you have heard how the Taliban have been faring in Pakistan, and that too against a stronger army than the SAA.
Quetta, Peshawar, Karachi is teeming with Taliban and they attack at will. This proves that over the years they have adopted newer strategies and can cause trouble in urban settings.

The Talibani ranks are not just made up of native fighters anymore but have additions of fighters from other countries too. Plus - a near non exhaustive supply of arms, funding and men from their masters and handlers.

It would be a mistake for the Syrian government if it tries to retake the entire country. They already control the western part of Syria with most of the cities: Template:Syrian civil war detailed map - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The war is now basically a stalemate.

And I do not think it's possible for terrorists to infiltrate cities and cause mayhem, as in Pakistan. They have a Basij-style citizen's militia (NDF) made up of local people who know the human terrain.

 

[ای ایران]

I largely agree with you - but you need to consider this too.

NATO brought in a helluva lot of sophisticated firepower and army personnel compared to what the whole SAA has.

the taliban retreated into Pakistani sanctuaries because that's how they fight.

The SAA is fighting in a 80% hostile population area in Syria where they are a minority.

I am sure you have heard how the Taliban have been faring in Pakistan, and that too against a stronger army than the SAA.
Quetta, Peshawar, Karachi is teeming with Taliban and they attack at will. This proves that over the years they have adopted newer strategies and can cause trouble in urban settings.

The Talibani ranks are not just made up of native fighters anymore but have additions of fighters from other countries too. Plus - a near non exhaustive supply of arms, funding and men from their masters and handlers.

Not really, the initial US invasion of Afghanistan started out with just an air campaign and a very small detachment of CIA officers and special op's forces planted on the ground. Much of the early fighting and advance was carried out by the Northern Alliance at the front, but with American oversight. The American force on the ground increased after the Taliban was already on the retreat.

Anyway you missed my point that the Taliban and other foreigners cannot wear the mask of civilians in Syria, like they can do in all those places you mentioned. In Syria they wont have the luxury of a ready stash of arms, supplies and ability to melt into the local population - which among the Sunni Arabs may be anti-Assad by and large, but isnt pro-foreign terrorists.

 

[Bilal.]

Pakistan has no control over TTP and al Qaeda, these are the same people who have been carrying out terrorist activities in Pakistan. Now if they have decided to slip into Syria then how is it Pakistan's involvement?

The whole purpose of this thread is to make Pakistani and Irani members fight.

 

[illusion8]

It would be a mistake for the Syrian government if it tries to retake the entire country. They already control the western part of Syria with most of the cities: Template:Syrian civil war detailed map - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The war is now basically a stalemate.

And I do not think it's possible for terrorists to infiltrate cities and cause mayhem, as in Pakistan. They have a Basij-style citizen's militia (NDF) made up of local people who know the human terrain.

Not really, the initial US invasion of Afghanistan started out with just an air campaign and a very small detachment of CIA officers and special op's forces planted on the ground. Much of the early fighting and advance was carried out by the Northern Alliance at the front, but with American oversight. The American force on the ground increased after the Taliban was already on the retreat.

Anyway you missed my point that the Taliban and other foreigners cannot wear the mask of civilians in Syria, like they can do in all those places you mentioned. In Syria they wont have the luxury of a ready stash of arms, supplies and ability to melt into the local population - which among the Sunni Arabs may be anti-Assad by and large, but isnt pro-foreign terrorists.

I am not disagreeing with it, I know it will be difficult, probably near impossible - but that is probably the best the Saudi's could come up with, especially after how the present lot of fighters in Syria are faring - they are anyways cannon fodder, but a potent and troublesome one.

 

[Desert Fox]

See, now if Iran starts supporting the BLA insurgency in Pakistan and the other anti-Pakistan militant organizations in Afghanistan they would be justified in doing so since it seems that Pakistan STILL hasn't learned to keep its nose out of others wars.

 

[Informant]

Not really..

Riyadh wins Islamabad’s support on Syria
Ouster of Assad regime: Riyadh wins Islamabad’s support on Syria – The Express Tribune

Qaeda Militants Seek Syria Base, U.S. Officials Say
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/26/world/middleeast/qaeda-militants-seek-syria-base-us-officials-say.html?_r=0

Pakistani Taliban sets up base in Syria; sends Arab, Uzbek fighters
Pakistani Taliban sets up base in Syria; sends Arab, Uzbek fighters

Turkey Says Pakistan-trained Militants Fighting In Syria ‹ Newsweek Pakistan

How is TTP complicit with the govt that it fights? Really man? Riyadh has other better things to milk from us than Syria which is a non issue.

Is it me or do you actually try to tag team with Iranians? Come on. C- for effort and D for content.

Expect better from you.

 

[illusion8]

How is TTP complicit with the govt that it fights?

The article in the OP is self explanatory.

The fighting's stopped right now while so called peace talks are on, it's not a first - after the Soviets left Afghanistan Pakistan did divert them to India, this now it seems is what's happening with Syria.

Riyadh has other better things to milk from us than Syria which is a non issue.

Like what? Syria and the failure to oust Assad is one of the biggest concerns of the Saudi's - so it's quite logical that they turn to Pakistan and Nawaz being pro Saudi's helps a lot.

Is it me or do you actually try to tag team with Iranians? Come on. C- for effort and D for content.

I am not - This probably is the first time I am replying to Iranian members here.

 

[Informant]

The article in the OP is self explanatory.

The fighting's stopped right now while so called peace talks are on, it's not a first - after the Soviets left Afghanistan Pakistan did divert them to India, this now it seems is what's happening with Syria.



Like what? Syria and the failure to oust Assad is one of the biggest concerns of the Saudi's - so it's quite logical that they turn to Pakistan and Nawaz being pro Saudi's helps a lot.

Express Tribune is a PPP centric party. Their articles represent a socialist or left wing sway. So take it with a pinch of salt. Saudi dont care about Syria, Iran lost it's foot hold there, it's busy in trying to prop up Assad man. Assad's power is gone, he doesnt have half the country, his armed forces are in shambles. He doesnt have enough men to fight for him. Iran doesnt pose a threat to middle east in Syria.

Syria is just Aghanistan 2.0 or Iraq if am right in a few years. A cock fight ring. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[illusion8]

Saudi dont care about Syria, Iran lost it's foot hold there, it's busy in trying to prop up Assad man. Assad's power is gone, he doesnt have half the country, his armed forces are in shambles. He doesnt have enough men to fight for him. Iran doesnt pose a threat to middle east in Syria.

Syria is just Aghanistan 2.0 or Iraq if am right in a few years. A cock fight ring. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's not's what's really happening there. Back it up with some articles.

I would be interested in the "saudi's don't care about Syria".
"Iran's lost it's foothold", "Assad's power is gone", "SAA is in shambles", "Iran doesn't pose a threat in Syria" - proper articles and not propaganda pieces.

 

[Informant]

That's not's what's really happening there.

And what is? No **** arms have been sighted there. If a terrorist slips in there, we know these guys are resourceful and when people are helping them slip away, they do mostly.

Govt isnt helping Syria, the govt before was against intervention citing exactly what happened now as the reason not to. Boom it's thugs vs terrorists. And there you have a perfect combination of a long lasting civil war that will just end at once, but in a distant future. Think Lebanon just more longer and bloodier.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Not ousting Assad is the biggest concern to us but settling the score is all what matter.

Assad lost have of the country, and the Iranians are pouring billions of dollars to save him whilst starving their own people to death.

Nawaz isn't the only Pakistani politicians who happens to be pro-KSA. Even Zadari himself supported KSA not just in a manner of speaking, but else.

The article in the OP is self explanatory.

The fighting's stopped right now while so called peace talks are on, it's not a first - after the Soviets left Afghanistan Pakistan did divert them to India, this now it seems is what's happening with Syria.



Like what? Syria and the failure to oust Assad is one of the biggest concerns of the Saudi's - so it's quite logical that they turn to Pakistan and Nawaz being pro Saudi's helps a lot.



I am not - This probably is the first time I am replying to Iranian members here.

How is TTP complicit with the govt that it fights? Really man? Riyadh has other better things to milk from us than Syria which is a non issue.

Is it me or do you actually try to tag team with Iranians? Come on. C- for effort and D for content.

Expect better from you.

We don't milk Pakistan bro.

Life is bigger than give and take.

 

[illusion8]

And what is? No **** arms have been sighted there. If a terrorist slips in there, we know these guys are resourceful and when people are helping them slip away, they do mostly.

Govt isnt helping Syria, the govt before was against intervention citing exactly what happened now as the reason not to. Boom it's thugs vs terrorists. And there you have a perfect combination of a long lasting civil war that will just end at once, but in a distant future. Think Lebanon just more longer and bloodier.

I would wait a while before the proofs and the details come out - that has already been the case with Pakistan - Pakistani denial does not mean it's not true - that has happened plenty of times before.

Not ousting Assad is the biggest concern to us but settling the score is all what matter.

Assad lost have of the country, and the Iranians are pouring billions of dollars to save him whilst starving their own people to death.

Nawaz isn't the only Pakistani politicians who happens to be pro-KSA. Even Zadari himself supported KSA not just in a manner of speaking, but else.

We don't milk Pakistan bro.

Life is bigger than give and take.

I am not denying that. As for Iranian's support to Syria - they do what's in their interest.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

I would wait a while before the proofs and the details come out - that has already been the case with Pakistan - Pakistani denial does not mean it's not true - that has happened plenty of times before.


I am not denying that. As for Iranian's support to Syria - they do what's in their interest.

No body said you're. It just is worth-mentioning that the vast majority of Pakistan politicians are pro-KSA, and likewise.

It isn't up to Iran to determine who's winning or who's losing. As you can see, despite the thousands of Iranian Basijists being sent to fight in Syria, later shipped back home in bags, and the billions of dollars Iran is paying to keep Assad alive, they failed to reclaim what's rightfully Assad's Syria, that is too regardless of the air superiority the later enjoys against the Free Syrian Army.

I am not disagreeing with it, I know it will be difficult, probably near impossible - but that is probably the best the Saudi's could come up with, especially after how the present lot of fighters in Syria are faring - they are anyways cannon fodder, but a potent and troublesome one.

I wish they were, otherwise they wouldn't have captured Latakia, the second stronghold of Assad.