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[Hack-Hook]

There are four FABs in PGCC with just one in Kuwait and UAE. How many will be left operational if IRGC decides to launch 30 x Qiam-II, Khaybar Shikan, Dezful, Hoveyzeh CM at each of them targetting runways, hangars, and radar sites, towers etc? Yes the fighter after launching SOWs can return and land on highways but their FABs will be ruined. Iranian SAMs can still crawl out and operate. The IRGC launcher from underground bases and mobile TEL will still be able to target the enemy ground. If the goal of the enemy will be to destroy Iranian near-coast or southern military installations then they will achieve ~40-50% of that goal for 100 % of their own attack capability

completely wrong assumption .first GCC also have missiles of its own , there is one difference . GCC have anti basaltic missile capabilities , we somehow lack on that department.
2nd those F-15 can operate well outside the range of those missiles you mentioned.
the attack capabilities won't be destroyed completely . it'll be there if you hit the bases it would be harder to operate . and about underground bases . if you knew their position its not hard to deal with them and i many time mentioned how.
and you can clear an airfield fairly fast but clearing those underground bases won't be as fast.

Countries with long-range Search radars like Iran are constantly monitoring the Air activity of neighboring countries which is why we have them.

problem with long range search radar and OTH radars . you can't hide them and you can't move them as fast. they are the primary target for a first strike

I would safely say that IRGC can respond within 30 mins with Solid Fueled depressed trajectory

can do that but not in number and can sustain that

the notion of a uav centric airforce that have so much popularity between some people seems not based on the fact how successful were bayraktar in Ukraine conflict.

UAVs are suitable for army aviation not air force.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

Also, the assets which make up Iran's asymmetric defense infrastructure aren't static or frozen in time. Even under an asymmetrical operating doctrine, Iran cannot rest on her laurels. The missile, UAV, air defence and naval forces are in constant need of upgrades, much like continuous R&D and innovation is necessary to neutralize the enemy's own technological developments as well as their latest counter-(counter-)measures.

It's a permanent dynamic effort. Only that this whole process will be magnitudes cheaper with current types of weaponry as compared to fighter jets or other aircraft, which are more expensive to procure, more expensive to maintain and operate, on top of being less survivable in case of a war.

And then there's numbers. Here no ceiling exists, any expansion will only strengthen Iran and worsen the enemy's prospects: the more missiles, the more radars, the more AD batteries, the more electronic warfare units and jammers, the merrier. Especially since all of these are so much cheaper to operate than additional modern fighter jets would be.

So you want to hand over control of the skies to the enemy and effectively let them roam in our airspace at will while you scramble to somehow counter it? Enemy aircraft will come in waves repeatedly and saturate radars. Air defence batteries can only acquire so many targets at a time and even fewer can be engaged with no guarantee all bandits will be intercepted.

Plus even successfully hitting enemy airfields, hangars and runways is no guarantee they're down for the count - even extensive damage to these can be repaired within 6 weeks at most. And there needs to be an infinite number of such missiles to sustain such action, which one cannot manufacture enough of even in peacetime, let alone war.

Air defence isn't some end-all, be-all - it's used in conjunction with the air force which intercepts and engages where AA systems fail. IRIAF has few aircraft to dedicate to such a role and can't maintain enough sorties when hostilities begin because within weeks, all these planes will be grounded due to wear and tear and maintenance issues.

 

[Hack-Hook]

So you want to hand over control of the skies to the enemy and effectively let them roam in our airspace at will while you scramble to somehow counter it? Enemy aircraft will come in waves repeatedly and saturate radars. Air defence batteries can only acquire so many targets at a time and even fewer can be engaged with no guarantee all bandits will be intercepted.

Plus even successfully hitting enemy airfields, hangars and runways is no guarantee they're down for the count - even extensive damage to these can be repaired within 6 weeks at most. And there needs to be an infinite number of such missiles to sustain such action, which one cannot manufacture enough of even in peacetime, let alone war.

Air defence isn't some end-all, be-all - it's used in conjunction with the air force which intercepts and engages where AA systems fail. IRIAF has few aircraft to dedicate to such a role and can't maintain enough sorties when hostilities begin because within weeks, all these planes will be grounded due to wear and tear and maintenance issues.

a runway damage can be fixed in 2-3 hours max

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

Acquiring a large and brand new air force will not be possible, even over a 10-year period, without significant budgetary cuts to higher priority defence sectors. Either that, or it would have to be done at the expense of the civilian budget, which in turn would suppose Korean-style social control.

GOOD! A North Korean style system which regulates you is exactly what is needed, at least temporarily. Iranian self-centeredness, greed and selfishness is unparalleled - I observe it in my own family, although in Iran's case, it's being done on a level with far-reaching generational consequences.

Most of you are stuck in the mentality of screaming "EY VAI!" when the slightest thing goes wrong and hamesheh giryeh mikooni, wailing non-stop about trivialities. Were you to spend even 6 months in india in analogous conditions to how you lived in Iran, you would probably kill yourselves out of depression.

Curb your corruption and boost your defence budget little by little as the GDP grows - there'll be enough money for rebuilding the IRIAF.

a runway damage can be fixed in 2-3 hours max

I meant like the damage done to Damascus International Airport - it was back on track in 6 weeks.

 

[SalarHaqq]

So you want to hand over control of the skies to the enemy and effectively let them roam in our airspace at will while you scramble to somehow counter it? Enemy aircraft will come in waves repeatedly and saturate radars. Air defence batteries can only acquire so many targets at a time and even fewer can be engaged with no guarantee all bandits will be intercepted.

Their air power will be neutralized after its static support infrastructure is struck by Iran. Without said infrastructure, no sustained large-scale air campaign is possible.

Plus even successfully hitting enemy airfields, hangars and runways is no guarantee they're down for the count - even extensive damage to these can be repaired within 6 weeks at most.

Radars, munitions storage, maintenance equipment and facilities, towers, power stations etc can't. Employment of a modern air force is dependent upon a very bulky infrastructure. They can't have fighter jets carry out successive sorties from roads or highways.

Also, it's not as if Iran will be sitting idle and allowing them to repair their damaged air bases unhindered. On the contrary, they'll keep getting hit in the midst of any attempted repair works.

And there needs to be an infinite number of such missiles to sustain such action, which one cannot manufacture enough of even in peacetime, let alone war.

There need to be thousands of missiles to incapacitate the limited number of enemy airbases, and Iran is fielding missiles in the many tens of thousands.

Air defence isn't some end-all, be-all - it's used in conjunction with the air force which intercepts and engages where AA systems fail.

In classical thinking, which is inadequate for Iran. In Iran's case the IADS is used in conjunction with a ballistic and cruise missile force as well as UAV's.

And this has successfully deterred military aggression against Iran.

IRIAF has few aircraft to dedicate to such a role and can't maintain enough sorties when hostilities begin because within weeks, all these planes will be grounded due to wear and tear and maintenance issues.

The IRIAF's role is subordinate in Iran's defence doctrine.

GOOD! A North Korean style system which regulates you is exactly what is needed, at least temporarily. Iranian self-centeredness, greed and selfishness is unparalleled - I observe it in my own family, although in Iran's case, it's being done on a level with far-reaching generational consequences.

Needed or not, it's never going to be implemented. It isn't helpful to cogitate on unrealistic eventualities when discussing the Iranian defence budget.

Most of you are stuck in the mentality of screaming "EY VAI!" when the slightest thing goes wrong and hamesheh giryeh mikooni, wailing non-stop about trivialities. Were you to spend even 6 months in india in analogous conditions to how you lived in Iran, you would probably kill yourselves out of depression.

Yeah, well not me. You'll know if you pay attention to my comments.

I meant like the damage done to Damascus International Airport - it was back on track in 6 weeks.

The enemy's attack wasn't designed to jeopardize the normal operation of Damascus International Airport. Also in six weeks Iran would wreak havoc on high value targets across a potential enemy's unprotected territory.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

The enemy's attack wasn't designed to jeopardize the normal operation of Damascus International Airport. Also in six weeks Iran would wreak havoc on high value targets across a potential enemy's unprotected territory.

They wanted to destroy it completely in order to leave it useless for months on end. Syrian air defenses intercepted most of the silos launched at the site but those that did get through did enough to put operations on hold for over a month, requiring the traffic to be redirected to Aleppo.

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

completely wrong assumption .first GCC also have missiles of its own , there is one difference . GCC have anti basaltic missile capabilities , we somehow lack on that department.

It's PGCC, you Arab traitor! Go and read your Saudi International. You forgetting Aramco and how their anti-missile capabilities work lol admit it, you love the west and the enemies of Iran more than Iran itself. Iransetiz to the hilt!

 

[WudangMaster]

In one of the question and answer videos a while back, he said something about being "darejeh daar"; not sure if that means commissioned as an officer or an enlisted career soldier as opposed to someone drafted?

what rank , i'm interested as Kad-ban is no rank in Iranian military . it simply mean Sir in old Persian language.

In one of the question and answer videos a while back, he said something about being "darejeh daar"; not sure if that means commissioned as an officer or an enlisted career soldier as opposed to someone drafted?

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

It's PGCC, you Arab traitor! Go and read your Saudi International. You forgetting Aramco and how their anti-missile capabilities work lol admit it, you love the west and the enemies of Iran more than Iran itself. Iransetiz to the hilt!

The Houthi strikes into saudi arabia showed how utterly worthless their patriot AA system is, even with americans sitting at the controls.

Interestingly, they even ran a report on the chances of intercepting a North Korean ICBM aimed at their homeland and their consensus was that in the practice runs they conducted, there was a mere 50% success rate under scenarios with ideal circumstances. Note that the DPRK hasn't even mastered MIRV yet - this is just how much amerikwa overhypes itself by use of it's propaganda machine.

 

[Hack-Hook]

It's PGCC, you Arab traitor! Go and read your Saudi International. You forgetting Aramco and how their anti-missile capabilities work lol admit it, you love the west and the enemies of Iran more than Iran itself. Iransetiz to the hilt!

dear daylamite please come back and live in Iran here we needs your patriotism

 

[Hack-Hook]

In one of the question and answer videos a while back, he said something about being "darejeh daar"; not sure if that means commissioned as an officer or an enlisted career soldier as opposed to someone drafted?

if he said "daraje-dar" it mean he is somewhere between Sergant 3rd class to chief warrant officer
in air force

in army

this was mine when i was conscripted in police force

 

[drmeson]

completely wrong assumption .first GCC also have missiles of its own

Only KSA among them has few purchased DF-21 (C?) without launchers. The missile has a CEP of ~50-100m and Saudi are known to possess only 12 x TEL's that actually belonged to DF-3 from 80s. There is no evidence that DF-21 has any TEL or is eve deployed. If another War of Cities like exchange starts up between PGCC and Iran, they have nothing but to lose in the conflict. Iranian Missiles, UCAV firepower will just overwhelm them. Their water resources, oil terminals, fields are lying in open. Situation can change very quickly if Saudis or UAE purchase more DF-21 and TELs from China which can happen any time. We know Chinese companies will do anything for money and are masters of under the table deals.

GCC have anti basaltic missile capabilities

Houthis with Qiam-I have many times breached the MIM-104. Why are you assuming that only one type of trajectory will be used to fire at a SAM site? IRGC has always mixed up its attack options. With Qassem and KS the trajectory is getting even more depressed and the terminal speed is enhanced.

List of Iranian Ballistic Missile attacks

Day	Date	Target	No. of missiles
Sunday	18 June 2017	ISIS after they detonated Bombs in Iran, killing children	6 (Solid Zolfaghar, Liquid Qiam-1)
Saturday	8 September 2018	Terror group KDPI that often targetted Iranian soldiers on the border	7 (Solid Zolfaghar)
Monday	01 October 2018	ISIL	6 (Zolfaghar, Liquid Qiam-1) + UCAV Shahed 191
Wednesday	08 January 2020	US bases for martyrdom of Gen. Qassem Soleimani (Status of war)	22 (Solid Fateh 313, Liquid Qiam-II)
Monday	13 March 2022	Anti Iranian Training Facility/Potential Threat	12 (Solid Fateh-110)

If you include Houthis strikes on KSA and UAE they also use a combination of BM and loitering UAVs, Cruise missiles. THAAD can be neutralized this way if the system is overwhelmed from multiple tracjectories of:

Ballistic
Quasi Ballistic
Glide
Skip Glide
Cruise
Skim Cruise
loitering UAVs

2nd those F-15 can operate well outside the range of those missiles you mentioned.

What would the F-15 do when the base of the F-15 be gone ? KSA has them in 2 FABs. Yes Saudi can theoretically pull some stunt and land back at highways whatever jets will not be taken out by Iranian HIMADS (RCS of 25 m2). But the base is gone. To get into battle zone again the plane will have to be Re-fueled, Re-armed, Re-checked, New mission has to be planned, New pilots need to get to the plane etc etc. Will all of this happen when the jet is parked on a high way in the desert in 50 degrees Celsius while its hangars, maintenance equipment, mission rooms, towers, and armament caches are gone in its home base?

This is what happened to a large base that received 11 Fateh313/Zolfaghars and Qiam-1 missiles. I was talking about 30-40 Missile per base so imagine the havoc.

and you can clear an airfield fairly fast but clearing those underground bases won't be as fast.

No you cant clear up the airfield very quickly. IRGC is not stupid that they would not target the logistics and Communications of the base first.

problem with long range search radar and OTH radars . you can't hide them and you can't move them as fast. they are the primary target for a first strike

By that theory, Salman's palace in Riyadh can also be destroyed with 15 Haj Qassems GV's carrying thermobaric munitions (10 tons in total) in the first wave. Countries escalate the conflict based upon what kind of retaliation they may face as a consequence. OTHR of Iran are deeper into territory and won't be fired at easily atleast not by PGCC. They get targetted means conflict escalation to the point that even the red sea coast infrastructure will be targetted by IRGC using bigger weapons.

the notion of a uav centric airforce that have so much popularity between some people seems not based on the fact how successful were bayraktar in Ukraine conflict.

UAVs are suitable for army aviation not air force.

If I am a planner of PGCC my best bet will be to arm my large AF's with as many long range SOWs as possible and launch them in bulk towards coast near-coast military infrastructure of IRIN, IRGN, IR-AD, IRIAF, UCAV bases to just cut short the arm of Iranian attack capability. Repeated softening of the targets will just put more and more stress on the IADS of Iran because IRIAF will offer little deterrence. Its too small a force. Again, I am in favor of the survival of IRIAF. I want leadership to realize this, and increase the current 200 Million USD budget to atleast 800 USD. A robust interceptor force of atleast 200+ fighters comprising of F-14AM (40), MIG-29M (50), Kowsar-I/II (120) are required along with SIGINT, ELINT UCAVs to enforce A2/AD zones over PG. Currently they are hell bent on murder of IRIAF.

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[Hack-Hook]

The Houthi strikes into saudi arabia showed how utterly worthless their patriot AA system is, even with americans sitting at the controls.

the houthi attacks are interesting , the question is how many intercepted and how many passed the defense . it all come to quality and quantity.
let put a better example . look at iserael iron dome , how many rocket Palestinian fired , how many intercepted and how many passed the defense

 

[drmeson]

It's PGCC, you Arab traitor! Go and read your Saudi International. You forgetting Aramco and how their anti-missile capabilities work lol admit it, you love the west and the enemies of Iran more than Iran itself. Iransetiz to the hilt!

we should not fight with each other. we will be foolish if we keep underestimating the enemy's capabilities. they have $ and western support. this is how they underestimated Iran while Iran was building its missile arm

revival of IRIAF atleast as an interceptor force is a must at all costs

 

[Hack-Hook]

Only KSA among them has few purchased DF-21 (C?) without launchers. The missile has a CEP of ~50-100m and Saudi are known to possess only 12 x TEL's that actually belonged to DF-3 from 80s. There is no evidence that DF-21 has any TEL or is eve deployed. If another War of Cities like exchange starts up between PGCC and Iran, they have nothing but to lose in the conflict. Iranian Missiles, UCAV firepower will just overwhelm them. Their water resources, oil terminals, fields are lying in open. Situation can change very quickly if Saudis or UAE purchase more DF-21 and TELs from China which can happen any time. We know Chinese companies will do anything for money and are masters of under the table deals.

maybe yes maybe no

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Houthis with Qiam-I have many times breached the MIM-104. Why are you assuming that only one type of trajectory will be used to fire at a SAM site? IRGC has always mixed up its attack options. With Qassem and KS the trajectory is getting even more depressed and the terminal speed is enhanced.

as i said how many time they failed and how many time they succeed

List of Iranian Ballistic Missile attacks

Day	Date	Target	No. of missiles
Sunday	18 June 2017	ISIS after they detonated Bombs in Iran, killing children	6 (Solid Zolfaghar, Liquid Qiam-1)
Saturday	8 September 2018	Terror group KDPI that often targetted Iranian soldiers on the border	7 (Solid Zolfaghar)
Monday	01 October 2018	ISIL	6 (Zolfaghar, Liquid Qiam-1) + UCAV Shahed 191
Wednesday	08 January 2020	US bases for martyrdom of Gen. Qassem Soleimani (Status of war)	22 (Solid Fateh 313, Liquid Qiam-II)
Monday	13 March 2022	Anti Iranian Training Facility/Potential Threat	12 (Solid Fateh-110)

that is an interesting missile , how many day after the attack iran responded ? why you believe this time will be faster.

What would the F-15 do when the base of the F-15 be gone ? KSA has them in 2 FABs. Yes Saudi can theoretically pull some stunt and land back at highways whatever jets will not be taken out by Iranian HIMADS (RCS of 25 m2). But the base is gone. To get into battle zone again the plane will have to be Re-fueled, Re-armed, Re-checked, New mission has to be planned, New pilots need to get to the plane etc etc. Will all of this happen when the jet is parked on a high way in the desert in 50 degrees Celsius while its hangars, maintenance equipment, mission rooms, towers, and armament caches are gone in its home base?

their base is gone but also this can be said about Iranian under ground missile bases will be out of question . do you believe USA already didn't shared its satellite imagery of these underground bases with ksa , do you think they are not already aware of their entrance . you think how long it take for ksa to fix its base , you want fuel , they can send some tanker as stopgap for the refueling capacity of the base , and the runway can be fixed in 2-3 hours now answer me how many hours it take to clear the entrance of those bases if they get bombed.

no, relying on air defense is not the answer they never will be able to prevent those base from being bombed , its air force that can do that. by our current strategy in case of enemy attack we only can rely on t6he missiles which are on tels outside those bases in case of enemy attack

This is what happened to a large base that received 11 Fateh313/Zolfaghars and Qiam-1 missiles. I was talking about 30-40 Missile per base so imagine the havoc.

did the base destroyed ? did it stop work ?

No you cant clear up the airfield very quickly. IRGC is not stupid that they would not target the logistics and Communications of the base first.

communication can be fixed with mobile terminals . logistic can be protected . look at those zolfaqar craters , do you believe they can penetrate underground reinforced craters. how many we used to attack a reinforced structure in iraqi kurdistan
by the way around those bases is desert , they just can disperse the logistic around those bases in desert in small caches

By that theory, Salman's palace in Riyadh can also be destroyed with 15 Haj Qassems GV's carrying thermobaric munitions (10 tons in total) in the first wave. Countries escalate the conflict based upon what kind of retaliation they may face as a consequence. OTHR of Iran are deeper into territory and won't be fired at easily atleast not by PGCC. They get targetted means conflict escalation to the point that even the red sea coast infrastructure will be targetted by IRGC using bigger weapons.

yes it can , but i wonder if he will be there in case of war , serriously doubt that.

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thats correct but i don't knew hid rank wudang master says said he was Darajeh-Dar . that mean گروهبان سه تا استوار یک in iran military it means the guy at most can have a high school diploma and also never did attend military academy , also he must never had shown an outstanding act in his career or he is new to military.
when i was conscripted because i had a medical doctorate i got first lieutenant rank