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What about the US which has the second highest stockpile, AND happens to be the only country to have used a nuke which culminated in the death of 200,000. It surrounds Iran from 2 sides. Iraq and Afghanistan. No wonder the Iranians feel threatened.


my my this same excuse. we had to build the nuke. Nazi Germany knew about the potential of the Nuke and so did Imperial Japan, but in the latter they decided to go the biological weapons route and even tested it on poor Chinese :(


and the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was justified, and yet I don't hear no one cry about all the firebombing of Japan and Germany that killed many more, lol.

nukes are not just for show sometimes you gotta use them, and I think both Iran and Israel won't shy from that. annihilate each other for all I care.
 
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This is for anyone who thinks Iran is broke:


Iran’s car sales up 32%


Iran’s car sales rose 32 percent this year as the industry started emerging from years of sanctions, an official has said.


As many as 1.1 million units were sold in the current Iranian year which ends on March 21, 2015, head of the commerce and sales office of Saipa Co. Mohammad Reza Abbasi said.

The figures compared to 737,000 cars sold last year, he said. Abbasi said both production and sales by Saipa rose 32 percent during the period.

Saipa and Iran Khodro account for 82 percent of the country’s auto making market.

“Saipa has currently two sanctions-busting plans in order to increase sales,” Abbasi said.

He said the automaker will start producing a low-cost car, Saina, in the first half of the new Iranian year.

Saipa will also unveil more than 10 models at the next auto show in the central of Isfahan, he added.

Iran’s auto industry is the biggest in the Middle East which it has developed for five decades. The country produced 1.6 million vehicles in 2011, the year new sanctions were introduced by the Europeans.

PressTV-Iran’s car sales up 32%



Western firms in rush for Iran trade


Multinational companies are jockeying for position as nuclear talks between Iran and international negotiators shift to high gear amid hopes of a final deal.


“I am already seeing a rush to market by US and EU companies and no one wants to be left behind,” says Nigel Kushner, a director of British-Iranian Chamber of Commerce.

“There is certainly an element of competition between US and EU exporters and EU companies may feel they have strength in numbers by unifying,” he said in remarks published by The Wall Street Journal.

Kushner is the chief executive of W Legal Ltd., a law firm that specializes in sanctions.

Iran’s lucrative, untapped market has always offered a mouth-watering prospect to foreign firms, but a web of US-led sanctions has kept them at bay.

The Europeans now “fear their American rivals will be able to move first once sanctions are lifted”, The Journal wrote.

“Their main concern is that European companies face often-complicated national regimes to approve exports to Iran while their US counterparts operate with a unified, clearer export approval process,” it said.

Europeans feel sacrificed

US trade with Iran rose to $315 million in 2013 from $234 million in 2011, according to US Census Bureau data. During the same period, European trade fell to 6 billion euros ($8.2 billion) from 28 billion euros, European Commission figures show.

US company World Eco Energy has signed a preliminary agreement to invest $1.175 billion to generate electricity in Iran by turning solid waste into power.

Last October, US aerospace giant Boeing booked its first sales to Iran since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. American energy giants Halliburton and ExxonMobil have been testing the waters for work in Iran. Dell Inc. and General Electric Co. have approached potential Iranian distributors to sell personal computers and power-generation equipment.

Apple has been reported to be exploring the Iranian market for possible sales of iPhone should sanctions ease.

The Europeans are complaining. According to Marietje Schaake, a Dutch member of the EU parliament, the European Union needs to address concerns with the US.

“American sanctions vis-a-vis Iran have had undesired extra-territorial impact on EU business,” Schaake, who was in Iran in December, has told Bloomberg.

Wary of lagging behind, the Europeans have rolled up sleeves, forming a European-Iranian Business Alliance with the Iranian chambers of commerce.

The group intends to raise with the EU the hurdles which European exporters face in finding banks to handle their transactions with Iran.

Exporters say when banks refuse Iran transactions, EU governments cite it a commercial decision.

But in practice, “the US is bullying companies through the banks,” Norman Lamont, president of British-Iranian Chamber of Commerce, told The Wall Street Journal.

Iran’s potentials

In Iran, officials are sanguine. “Iran will soon achieve the best economic standing in the Middle East and North Africa,” Economy Minister Ali Tayyeb-Nia said.

The West “must put an end to tyrannical sanctions on the Iranian nation as soon as possible”, he added.

Iran is the world’s 18th largest economy worth $1.2 trillion at purchasing-power parity.

The country of 80 million prides itself on a well-educated pool of population, sitting on the world’s third largest oil and second largest gas reserves.

Tehran’s stock exchange is the Middle East’s second largest, worth $150 billion.

“With the prudence and the guidelines of the Leader (Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei), the evil of sanctions will be removed.”

PressTV-Western firms in rush for Iran trade
 
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Maybe because Ali Khomeini support Bashar Al-Assad regime and send Hisbullah to Syria to back that authoritarian regime blindly. 200.000 death is something my friend. Iran should accept peace agreement condition by leaving Bashar alone. Muslim should unite of course, but why Ali Khomeini keep helping that criminal for the sake of his ego .....?

There will be a respond of any reaction. Before, Iran was good, even Indonesia helped Iran when we were still in UN security council by voting against US vote. The name of Iran was good in my country before, but Today is quite different though.

The Takfir-led war was imposed on Syria by the same powerful forces who created Israel in our midst. These are the same Takfiri forces who have been used against Libya, Iraq, Somalia and Pakistan. Don't fall for the campaign to create Sunni -- Shia internal civil war in Islam. Henry Kissinger has stated that they (Zionists) need 100-year war between the two houses of Islam: Sunni vs Shia. Whether you believe or not, Syrian government is the last Arab nationalist state that is standing. All others have already fell, and this war is to remove this remaining Arab nationalist state.
 
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This is for anyone who thinks Iran is broke:


Iran’s car sales up 32%


Iran’s car sales rose 32 percent this year as the industry started emerging from years of sanctions, an official has said.


As many as 1.1 million units were sold in the current Iranian year which ends on March 21, 2015, head of the commerce and sales office of Saipa Co. Mohammad Reza Abbasi said.

The figures compared to 737,000 cars sold last year, he said. Abbasi said both production and sales by Saipa rose 32 percent during the period.

Saipa and Iran Khodro account for 82 percent of the country’s auto making market.

“Saipa has currently two sanctions-busting plans in order to increase sales,” Abbasi said.

He said the automaker will start producing a low-cost car, Saina, in the first half of the new Iranian year.

Saipa will also unveil more than 10 models at the next auto show in the central of Isfahan, he added.

Iran’s auto industry is the biggest in the Middle East which it has developed for five decades. The country produced 1.6 million vehicles in 2011, the year new sanctions were introduced by the Europeans.

PressTV-Iran’s car sales up 32%



Western firms in rush for Iran trade


Multinational companies are jockeying for position as nuclear talks between Iran and international negotiators shift to high gear amid hopes of a final deal.


“I am already seeing a rush to market by US and EU companies and no one wants to be left behind,” says Nigel Kushner, a director of British-Iranian Chamber of Commerce.

“There is certainly an element of competition between US and EU exporters and EU companies may feel they have strength in numbers by unifying,” he said in remarks published by The Wall Street Journal.

Kushner is the chief executive of W Legal Ltd., a law firm that specializes in sanctions.

Iran’s lucrative, untapped market has always offered a mouth-watering prospect to foreign firms, but a web of US-led sanctions has kept them at bay.

The Europeans now “fear their American rivals will be able to move first once sanctions are lifted”, The Journal wrote.

“Their main concern is that European companies face often-complicated national regimes to approve exports to Iran while their US counterparts operate with a unified, clearer export approval process,” it said.

Europeans feel sacrificed

US trade with Iran rose to $315 million in 2013 from $234 million in 2011, according to US Census Bureau data. During the same period, European trade fell to 6 billion euros ($8.2 billion) from 28 billion euros, European Commission figures show.

US company World Eco Energy has signed a preliminary agreement to invest $1.175 billion to generate electricity in Iran by turning solid waste into power.

Last October, US aerospace giant Boeing booked its first sales to Iran since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. American energy giants Halliburton and ExxonMobil have been testing the waters for work in Iran. Dell Inc. and General Electric Co. have approached potential Iranian distributors to sell personal computers and power-generation equipment.

Apple has been reported to be exploring the Iranian market for possible sales of iPhone should sanctions ease.

The Europeans are complaining. According to Marietje Schaake, a Dutch member of the EU parliament, the European Union needs to address concerns with the US.

“American sanctions vis-a-vis Iran have had undesired extra-territorial impact on EU business,” Schaake, who was in Iran in December, has told Bloomberg.

Wary of lagging behind, the Europeans have rolled up sleeves, forming a European-Iranian Business Alliance with the Iranian chambers of commerce.

The group intends to raise with the EU the hurdles which European exporters face in finding banks to handle their transactions with Iran.

Exporters say when banks refuse Iran transactions, EU governments cite it a commercial decision.

But in practice, “the US is bullying companies through the banks,” Norman Lamont, president of British-Iranian Chamber of Commerce, told The Wall Street Journal.

Iran’s potentials

In Iran, officials are sanguine. “Iran will soon achieve the best economic standing in the Middle East and North Africa,” Economy Minister Ali Tayyeb-Nia said.

The West “must put an end to tyrannical sanctions on the Iranian nation as soon as possible”, he added.

Iran is the world’s 18th largest economy worth $1.2 trillion at purchasing-power parity.

The country of 80 million prides itself on a well-educated pool of population, sitting on the world’s third largest oil and second largest gas reserves.

Tehran’s stock exchange is the Middle East’s second largest, worth $150 billion.

“With the prudence and the guidelines of the Leader (Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei), the evil of sanctions will be removed.”

PressTV-Western firms in rush for Iran trade

These kinds of fantasy like claims come only from a certain number of people in this forum. And I already know their answer to your post: Press TV??? Ha ha ha!

You can wake up a person who is asleep but you can't do the same to a person who is pretending to be asleep.

I'd also like to add this:

List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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any words on anka yet , butthurt torks ? :lol:

look , once again , for the millionth time : if our military industries shyte and that shyte crap itself to death , the shitty result will be light years ahead of you in technology .

you can ridicule others till you die , this is what you do like other muslims in the region : you make fun of others cause you are not capable of keeping up with them .

i'd love to see you when in 2018 first iranian astronaut finishes his sub-orbital exploration and you are still busy posting carp :lol:

@Serpentine please remove off-topic butthurtness
My comment is entirely about that funny video, i didnt lost a word about Iran, why so sensitive? :what: I think we dont need to compare anything here, everything is pretty obvious. ;)


And since you asked Anka block B made its maiden flight. :)

Anka MALE UAV Program | Page 53
 
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There is no way to place RD-33 engines inside!

Only something like F-20 tiger shark will be possible with a single RD-33 smoking engine!

پیشرانه این هواپیما دو دستگاه موتور RD-33 می باشد که امکان پرواز تا سرعتهای 5/1تا 8/1 ماخ را به این هواپیما می دهد. رادار این هواپیما از نوع N019-ME می‌باشد که کارایی آن بر ضد اهداف زمینی است. بیشترین وزن محموله این هواپیما 4,400 کیلوگرم و وزن خالی این هواپیما 8,000 کیلوگرم و بیشترین وزن برخاست این هواپیما 15,000 تا 18,000 کیلوگرم بوده و بردی در حدود 600 کیلومتر را داراست.

آشنایی با جنگنده شکاری صاعقه
صاعقه هواپیمای جت جنگنده بمب‌افکن ساخت جمهوری اسلامی ایران است. در این هواپیما از بدنه هواپیمای اف-۵ استفاده شده است. تفاوت ظاهری این هواپیما با اف-۵ وجود دو سکان عمودی V شکل است که برای ایجاد توانایی لازم برای مانور پذیری بهتر جنگنده صورت گرفته است. هواپیمای جنگنده صاعقه ۱۰ تا ۱۵ درصد بزرگ‌تر شده هواپیماهای اف-۵ است که دو سکان عمودی V شکل (برای کاهش سطح مقطع راداری) و سیستم های الکترونیک و موتورهای روسی آر دی-۳۳ (RD-۳۳) دارد.
جنگنده صاعقه ارتش جمهوری اسلامی ایران
Fighter aircraft Azarakhsh was built by Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industrial on the basis of the U.S. fighter plane F-5E produced in the 1960s. The United States sold these aircrafts to Iran’s shah before 1979. 50 F-5Es are still in the arsenal of the Iranian army. Iranian engineers increased the length and weight of the F-5 and changed the shape of its tail fin and engine unit. Two American engines J85-GE-21B were replaced by Russian RD-33s. The plane also received a new radiolocation station. According to media repots, this may be an Iranian radar with Russian component parts or the N-019ME Topaz radar produced by Russia’s Fazotron-NIIR. The Azarakhsh performed its first flight in June 1997. Four jets with engines taken from old Russian MiG-29s have already been successfully tests. The planes are to be equipped with new Russian engines.

Iranian Fighters to Fly with Russian Engines - Kommersant Moscow
 
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Here are some interesting comparison. Looking at this, one should be convinced that even so Saegheh and F-5 look alike, they are totally different airplanes and thus claiming that it is totally redesigned is not false. I wonder why nobody had done this comparison before?

RD-33:

  • Type: afterburning turbofan
  • Length: 4,229 mm (166.50 in)
  • Diameter: 1,040 mm (40.94 in)
  • Dry weight: 1,055 kg (2,326 lb)
J-85:
  • Type: Turbojet engine (with or without afterburner)
  • Length: 45.4–51.1 in (115–130 cm) (depending on accessory equipment installed)
  • Diameter: 17.7 in (45 cm)
  • Dry weight: 396–421 lb (180–191 kg) (depending on accessory equipment installed)
RD-33 is only 30cm (little more than width of a hand) larger on each side. Looking at the bulged Body of Saegheh where the engine fits, it is quite credible that they have fitted 2 RD-33 inside that airplane.

The only question is how they maintained the balance with almost 1728kg additional wight added at the tail? They need to have pushed the wings further back to maintain the balance.

Comparing the two, Saegheh is almost 1.45 m longer. It is probably added length to the nose section which adds more space for radar and avionics and also kind of balances the additional weight of the engines.

Saegheh:

  • Crew: 1
  • Length: 15.89 m ()
  • Wingspan: 8.13 m ()
F-5:

  • Crew: 1
  • Length: 47 ft 4¾ in (14.45 m)
  • Wingspan: 26 ft 8 in (8.13 m)
I'm not sure how accurate these sketches are but even here you can see that the Saegheh doesn't have that tapered body of F-5 where the engines are.

In the nose section, Segheh has a curved surface on the lower surface while F-5 has flat surface. This should indicate larger radar or avionics.
1358px-Saeqeh.svg.png

1579px-F5-E_Tiger_II.svg.png
 
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They just took the F-5 freedom fighter and optimized it. That is all they had and they have made the best of it.
They might make their own reverse engineered F-14 Tomcat one of these days and optimize it too. That will be quite an achievement, and is quite possible again since they have overhauled it and have a good knowledge of all its parts.
If they can do the F-14, they will become more than a force to recon with. This bird was and I believe still one of the best designed and most sophisticated warplanes ever made, it already had the phoenix BVR missiles, variable geometry wings and an extremely powerfull radar and avionics, This bird was made in the 70's and could already track 24 enemy airplanes and shoot down 6 at a time. I see nothing newer in the most recent and sophisticated 4++ generation warplanes.
Iran can add composites where they should be, an AESA radar and stealth paint based on nano-carbon fiber, all technologies that Iran masters already.
The remaining question will be the engines, and why not they too can be reverse engineered if it is not already done or on its way to be finished.
This is optimistic, but based on reality with nothing fantastic about it but the achievement when it will be done.
 
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Impressive jet. Twin tail will give it outstanding maneuvering capabilities on pair with the Su-35. Brown-yellow nano-molecular ferromagnetic stealth paint reduces RCS level to to -1.24 dB. Plasma technology would decrease RCS even further. Nano-fiber-carbon wing and fuselage construction materials reduces its weight and increases T/W capabilities to Eurofighter Typhoon level. Seems it is also equipped with side looking L-band AESA radars. Little antennas under the fuselage and behind cabin indicate that it is equipped with modern JTIDS/MIDS for net enabled operations and state of the art ELINT systems. I think that overall performance should be similar to Rafale in air to air missions and Grippen NG in air to ground missions.
 
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Impressive jet. Twin tail will give it outstanding maneuvering capabilities on pair with the Su-35. Brown-yellow nano-molecular ferromagnetic stealth paint reduces RCS level to to -1.24 dB. Plasma technology would decrease RCS even further. Nano-fiber-carbon wing and fuselage construction materials reduces its weight and increases T/W capabilities to Eurofighter Typhoon level. Seems it is also equipped with side looking L-band AESA radars. Little antennas under the fuselage and behind cabin indicate that it is equipped with modern JTIDS/MIDS for net enabled operations and state of the art ELINT systems. I think that overall performance should be similar to Rafale in air to air missions and Grippen NG in air to ground missions.
Yeah, I was wondering where you were? Your comments were kind of missing in this thread.
 
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The Takfir-led war was imposed on Syria by the same powerful forces who created Israel in our midst. These are the same Takfiri forces who have been used against Libya, Iraq, Somalia and Pakistan. Don't fall for the campaign to create Sunni -- Shia internal civil war in Islam. Henry Kissinger has stated that they (Zionists) need 100-year war between the two houses of Islam: Sunni vs Shia. Whether you believe or not, Syrian government is the last Arab nationalist state that is standing. All others have already fell, and this war is to remove this remaining Arab nationalist state.

You are so easy to be brainwashed, every one knows that FSA is the first major opposition power fighting against Bashar regime, another power like Al-Nusra and ISIL come later. Actually it should be done before the war, but Bashar keep fighting for the sake of his own power, not letting his country to transform into democracy right away before it is too late and civil war comes.

Enough for A vs B argument, it is the time where we should thing something bigger than that and start to feel about what Syrian people right now feel and suffer. Just accepting the peace condition imposed by Syrian oppositions group by sacrificing Bashar in Syria future politics should not be very difficult to do.

And it is the choice of the people to determine whether his country want to be a secular or not. And the political system should also be set in flexible mode to hinder any chaos like what we are seeing now in ME region. If the secular or Shia or Sunni or Islamist wins the election, every one on the system should accept this, and they can try to get into power again 5 years from now, It is the essence of democracy. Thinking in a wide and longer perspective.
 
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Here are some interesting comparison. Looking at this, one should be convinced that even so Saegheh and F-5 look alike, they are totally different airplanes and thus claiming that it is totally redesigned is not false. I wonder why nobody had done this comparison before?

RD-33:

  • Type: afterburning turbofan
  • Length: 4,229 mm (166.50 in)
  • Diameter: 1,040 mm (40.94 in)
  • Dry weight: 1,055 kg (2,326 lb)
J-85:
  • Type: Turbojet engine (with or without afterburner)
  • Length: 45.4–51.1 in (115–130 cm) (depending on accessory equipment installed)
  • Diameter: 17.7 in (45 cm)
  • Dry weight: 396–421 lb (180–191 kg) (depending on accessory equipment installed)
Length wise they are almost the same and RD-33 is only 30cm (little more than width of a hand) larger on each side. Looking at the bulged Body of Saegheh where the engine fits, it is quite credible that they have fitted 2 RD-33 inside that airplane.

The only question is how they maintained the balance with almost 1728kg additional wight added at the tail? They need to have pushed the wings further back to maintain the balance.

Comparing the two, Saegheh is almost 1.45 m longer. It is probably added length to the nose section which adds more space for radar and avionics and also kind of balances the additional weight of the engines.

Saegheh:

  • Crew: 1
  • Length: 15.89 m ()
  • Wingspan: 8.13 m ()
F-5:

  • Crew: 1
  • Length: 47 ft 4¾ in (14.45 m)
  • Wingspan: 26 ft 8 in (8.13 m)
I'm not sure how accurate these sketches are but even here you can see that the Saegheh doesn't have that tapered body of F-5 where the engines are.

In the nose section, Segheh has a curved surface on the lower surface while F-5 has flat surface. This should indicate larger radar or avionics.
1358px-Saeqeh.svg.png

1579px-F5-E_Tiger_II.svg.png

o_O

There is a bigger engine in there. If not RD-33, then something else but it is definitely not J-85.

I'm completely sure...

لطفا این بحث رو تمام کن ... آبروریزی میشه
 
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