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[skyshadow]

https://www.farsnews.com/news/13970501000508/خط-تولید-موشک-هوا-به-هوای-فکور-افتتاح-شد

 

[mohsen]

After 5 years of suspension and 3 unveiling, removing the 90 after the name (so nobody would notice it's actual production date)!

Fakour mid-range air to air missile
range: 160km
smart guidance system

 

[VEVAK]

After 5 years of suspension and 3 unveiling, removing the 90 after the name (so nobody would notice it's actual production date)!
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Fakour mid-range air to air missile
range: 160km
smart guidance system

There wasn't 3 unveilings!!!
One is the introduction of the Fakour Project (Mocked prototype)
Then it was the Testing of a production Model
And this is about starting the production line of the Fakour-90 ( Inauguration of the production line)

 

[mohsen]

There wasn't 3 unveilings!!!
One is the introduction of the Fakour Project (Mocked prototype)
Then it was the Testing of a production Model
And this is about starting the production line of the Fakour-90 ( Inauguration of the production line)

افتتاح دستاورد موشکی دولت دهم توسط دولت یازدهم! / «فکور ۹۰» نخستین موشک هوا به هوای ایرانی

Project started in 1390, successfully test fired in 1391 (2013), 8 months later was unveiled in 1392 parade, went to sleep during Rouhani (Dehghan) glorious days (like everything else), then in 1396 (2017) was unveiled by Rouhani again, and now in 2018 they want to fool people again by showing a few of them!

 

[Hack-Hook]

wonder if its a middle range missile then from where that 160km come?

probably we are going a new standard in missile classification . probably our long range A2A Missile will have a range about 400-500km .

But honnestly if it only can be fired from F-14 you must ask yourself for how long we are going to use f-14?

 

[TheImmortal]

wonder if its a middle range missile then from where that 160km come?

probably we are going a new standard in missile classification . probably our long range A2A Missile will have a range about 400-500km .

But honnestly if it only can be fired from F-14 you must ask yourself for how long we are going to use f-14?

Tomcats will be in service till 2030’s

 

[Hack-Hook]

Tomcats will be in service till 2030’s

well that's 10 years and designing a system just for 10 years ? very strange move.
well I believe this system is continuation of project Sejjil not Project Fakur 90 and the defense ministry is again playing with names to make some confusion But

the designation name for the missile is AIM-23M
defense ministry said the missile is compatible with the rest of Iranian airplanes.
also on the engine of the missile they write M112 and that was the marking of Hawk missile family
they introduced the missile as middle range missile not long range one.
the missile rely on the Aircraft Radar to hit the target.

I believe Maqsud would be the the result of Fakour -90 project and based on AIM-54

 

[AmirPatriot]

افتتاح دستاورد موشکی دولت دهم توسط دولت یازدهم! / «فکور ۹۰» نخستین موشک هوا به هوای ایرانی

Project started in 1390, successfully test fired in 1391 (2013), 8 months later was unveiled in 1392 parade, went to sleep during Rouhani (Dehghan) glorious days (like everything else), then in 1396 (2017) was unveiled by Rouhani again, and now in 2018 they want to fool people again by showing a few of them!

So what you're saying is, Rouhani is the one who put it into production. Got it.

 

[mohsen]

So what you're saying is, Rouhani is the one who put it into production. Got it.

No I mean it's production restarted. Got it?

 

[AmirPatriot]

No I mean it's production restarted. Got it?

Production hadn't started in the first place. A few prototypes =/= mass production.

 

[VEVAK]

wonder if its a middle range missile then from where that 160km come?

probably we are going a new standard in missile classification . probably our long range A2A Missile will have a range about 400-500km .

But honnestly if it only can be fired from F-14 you must ask yourself for how long we are going to use f-14?

Iran is categorizing it as a Medium Ranged A2A missile! And most likely than not it's characteristics are much like the AiM-54.

And the MAX range of an Air to Air missile like this is more like an imaginary number that has nothing to do with Missiles Capabilities against other Fighter Jets! So 160km for it's MAX range sounds correct!

The capabilities of Air to Air Missiles such as this varies depending on the altitude & speed they are fired from and the altitude, heading and speed capabilities of their target!!!!!!

افتتاح دستاورد موشکی دولت دهم توسط دولت یازدهم! / «فکور ۹۰» نخستین موشک هوا به هوای ایرانی

Project started in 1390, successfully test fired in 1391 (2013), 8 months later was unveiled in 1392 parade, went to sleep during Rouhani (Dehghan) glorious days (like everything else), then in 1396 (2017) was unveiled by Rouhani again, and now in 2018 they want to fool people again by showing a few of them!

All this 1st started when Iran installed foreign made HAWK's SAM on Iranian F-14's then they moved on to upgraded Iranian made versions until they got to this point!!!!
And Iran has NEVER had a production line of the Fakour-90 for it to be restarted!!!!!!!

And of course there have been other tests because you don't start a production line by testing a missile ONCE!
They would have needed years of testing and adjustments and starting the development and testing of various components until they can start a production line!

 

[mohsen]

Production hadn't started in the first place. A few prototypes =/= mass production.

Missile was in the production stage when Rouhani ended all the funds.

1393.mehr (2014.sep)
جنگنده‌های F14 به موشک فکور 90 مجهز شدند

امیر سرتیپ خلبان «علیرضا برخور» جانشین فرمانده نیروی هوایی ارتش در گفتوگو با خبرنگار دفاعی امنیتی دفاع پرس، با اعلام این خبر اظهار داشت: موشک فکور محصول مشترک وزارت دفاع و پشتیبانی نیروهای مسلح و نیروی هوایی ارتش است، که هماکنون به مرحله تولید رسیده است

It's not like we create a dedicated production line just for a missile, such a line isn't economical when you have a limited order (unless you think we have that kind of funds). there is a line, which produces multiple products based on the funds for each product.
Now whether it was zero output at that time or 6 output like today, it makes no difference, it wont change the fact that Rouhani stopped an already ready product, then 4 years later fooled people by re unveiling it and one extra year later (5 years delay in total) just started to produce six of them, as a sign of mass production!

 

[Hack-Hook]

Missile was in the production stage when Rouhani ended all the funds.

1393.mehr (2014.sep)
جنگنده‌های F14 به موشک فکور 90 مجهز شدند


It's not like we create a dedicated production line just for a missile, such a line isn't economical when you have a limited order (unless you think we have that kind of funds). there is a line, which produces multiple products based on the funds for each product.
Now whether it was zero output at that time or 6 output like today, it makes no difference, it wont change the fact that Rouhani stopped an already ready product, then 4 years later fooled people by re unveiling it and one extra year later (5 years delay in total) just started to produce six of them, as a sign of mass production!

Fakour-90 was produced , but at the time Air force said that it needs fine tuning, its mentioned in one of the links you post in other thread

 

[TheImmortal]

Fakour-90 was produced , but at the time Air force said that it needs fine tuning, its mentioned in one of the links you post in other thread

Don’t listen to that individual he is obsessed with Rouhani.

Most of Iran’s military is stuck with Iraq war equipment for the past 30 years, yet he thinks Rouhani is the one stunting Iran’s military progress all of a sudden?

Can’t argue with such simple minded individuals.

 

[07_SeppDietrich]

Don’t listen to that individual he is obsessed with Rouhani.

Most of Iran’s military is stuck with Iraq war equipment for the past 30 years, yet he thinks Rouhani is the one stunting Iran’s military progress all of a sudden?

Can’t argue with such simple minded individuals.

he is Ahmadinejad fanboy (even though i like Ahmadinejad tho)