Iran's answer to all doubters! 22 of Bahman

[AmirPatriot]

Those are quality tools in construction sector across Europe, its a impressive archievement for such a small country actually.

Yeah @Draco.IMF ... don't dis Lichtenstein...

 

[WordsMatter]

Yes, and it's the only reason I'm being so patient with you.



You do know, propaganda goes both ways. You are clearly anti-IR and that is reflecting in your arguments.

I am pro-IR but my criticism is constructive and not misplaced.



Yes, you are. Only a few days ago you were lecturing people people on how IR was unable to "execute a complex project" and that's why it had never launched a satellite into space, even though it's sent multiple!

Here again you're saying mismanagement is the only problem... while it certainly is a problem, sanctions are by far the bigger problem.

Your eagerness to criticise the IR means you ignore the counter arguments. That is the definition of bias.



Such lies... Sanctions started in 1979, and the war was brought by Saddam you idiot! So it's Iran's fault for being attacked!

@AmirPatriot You are patient with me?! Do you assume this is IRI? I live in a free country and as such I will be pro/con of whatever position I WANT to be. This is not IRI where people like you can intimidate or scare people. You have no power over anyone here. Maybe in the back country where you THINK you have power, but here you don't.

You are full of hot air if you think YOUR criticism is constructive while mine isn't. Get a reality check from time to time.

It's funny that when anyone criticizes your beloved IRI either they are lecturing, uninformed, unable to read, etc. While anyone who agrees with you is a "bro".

My eagerness to criticize comes from your eagerness to exonerate. We have differing world views. So stop taking the high road.

Oh boy, just because someone disagrees with you then automagically they are uninformed. That's a very good way to win arguments, but only in your repressive IRI.

Don't go assuming again, it does you no service.

Here are your good leaders for you!
This is progress for them

And soon their women will be Driving too!!!!!!!!!! WOW! I mean can you believe it! LOL!

Pathetic!

@VEVAK Seriously?! So how about compulsory "hejab"? How about women as third class citizens? How about second class citizenship for anyone who is NOT "khodie"? And how about the way Bahais are being treated?

From an economic point of view they are not doing bad, that was my argument.

 

[Śakra]

iran is the poorest major oil producing country While the rest of the rentier states have a per capita income approaching or above 100,000 USD iran's per capita is only 5,000 USD. That's 1/20th of the others!! The ayatollah should stop building bombs and work on building bridges. Stop this nautanki Mr. khamenei

 

[scythian500]

I said in constant dollars. 1979 dollars were much higher than today.

You don't know what you are talking about.. Leave economy to economists and do your zionst propaganda. ISraelis are commintting suicide by put fuel on themselves and burn everyday in occupied palestine...

When you talk about how people of some country has access to well being, utilities and power of purchasing, you can not compare per capitals by constant dollars.. Constant dollars are subject to huge exchange rate flactuations and mstly appies to economies and people of countries that are net importers.

Iranian GDP per capital was and is around $18000 to 19000 today and it is considered a low figure. This means the amount of bread and meat and milk and gas and electricity and services that they can buy with their income is equal to $18000 to $19000 per year. This is to be compared with countries like Turkey, Russia, Brasil, Mexico, Romania, Malaysia, etc...

Country X has $40000 per capital in constant dollars. But if you want to buy a litter of petrol then you have to pay $4 per gallon while an Iranian can buy a little of petrol for something around 28 cen ts only... So that $40000 brings no well being and purchasing power to the people and it does not worth more than toilet papers.

An average Iranian enjoys a better quality of life than Turkish citizens.

So, please when you want to argue... Argue right...

Constant dollar GDP is not a good indicator of the wealth that buys all the commodities and food and services that they can buy in a country like Iran. Most life necessities of Iranians inside Iran is produced locally and is made by Iranian currency and this is exactly why the difference between Iranian GDP (purchasing power parity) and Iranian GDP constant dollars are one of the hugest in the world.

So, Iran is not yet a rich per capital country and never been one even before revolution. If Koreans we working in Iranian houses as servants before revolution and they are having a high GDP today, this is not because Iran was rich per capital nation before revolution but Koreans were so poor.

If you ask me, considering all the hardship Iran were put through in last 40 years. Including a 4 year long revolution and chaos inside Iran + an 8 year full scale war against the whole world through Saddam + all the sanctions, Iran has one of the brightest performances in human history. Even better than China.

and btw Iranian advanced situation in science and tech and industry is not something only accknoledged by Iranian sources. You can bother your precious time once and search web for sources and then you figure that most sources that say Iran is a leading advanced nation today in science and tech and improving very fast are not even Iranians and mostly even situated inside borders of the enemies of Iran.


so please once more...

Bring a solid argument or just go kill some more Palestinian children... This is what you are good at...
Btw, the funniest part is that a citizen of Saudi stone age oil snake Arabia is talking about Iranian science and tech and GDP!!

What people are turning into these days is beyond shocking!!

 

[AmirPatriot]

@AmirPatriot You are patient with me?! Do you assume this is IRI? I live in a free country and as such I will be pro/con of whatever position I WANT to be. This is not IRI where people like you can intimidate or scare people. You have no power over anyone here. Maybe in the back country where you THINK you have power, but here you don't.

You are full of hot air if you think YOUR criticism is constructive while mine isn't. Get a reality check from time to time.

It's funny that when anyone criticizes your beloved IRI either they are lecturing, uninformed, unable to read, etc. While anyone who agrees with you is a "bro".

My eagerness to criticize comes from your eagerness to exonerate. We have differing world views. So stop taking the high road.

Oh boy, just because someone disagrees with you then automagically they are uninformed. That's a very good way to win arguments, but only in your repressive IRI.

Don't go assuming again, it does you no service.



@VEVAK Seriously?! So how about compulsory "hejab"? How about women as third class citizens? How about second class citizenship for anyone who is NOT "khodie"? And how about the way Bahais are being treated?

From an economic point of view they are not doing bad, that was my argument.

What the hell are you talking about, bro?

At what point did I say I have any power over you or anyone on this shitstained corner of the internet?

When I say I have "patience", it would imply I am not "impatient", no? Impatience is reserved for Saudi/Israeli trolls, Shahis and Rajavi supporting swines. I am impatient with these sort of people because I have no interest in conversing with them with any microcosm of respect, because they rarely, if ever, deserve it.

Funny how should turn even me expressing the degree of my willingness to talk to you into some slight on the IRI.

And as for your lack of knowledge, let's just say not knowing for 8 years that Iran had already launched a satellite into space makes a bad first impression.

I have already told you multiple times why you are misinformed and you continue to ask me why I came to this conclusion. I understand you can read, so maybe you should put that ability to test when it comes to anything you disagree with.

Allow me to emphasise this last point so you cannot avoid addressing it like you have done continually.

8 years

8 years

8 years

8 years

8 years

 

[mohsen]

iran is the poorest major oil producing country While the rest of the rentier states have a per capita income approaching or above 100,000 USD iran's per capita is only 5,000 USD. That's 1/20th of the others!! The ayatollah should stop building bombs and work on building bridges. Stop this nautanki Mr. khamenei

without security there is no nothing else to work on. our missiles are a deter to bloodthirsty Americans. after all, we don't like to be a puppet like india.
but you may offer your advices to India government, whatever Iran is, at least our poor people don't live like the poor indians.

 

[Erl]

without security there is no nothing else to work on. our missiles are a deter to bloodthirsty Americans. after all, we don't like to be a puppet like india.
but you may offer your advices to India government, whatever Iran is, at least our poor people don't live like the poor indians.

Don't feed the troll

 

[Śakra]

but you may offer your advices to India government, whatever Iran is, at least our poor people don't live like the poor indians.

India is not a rentier state with vast oil reserves. Besides India being poor is irrelevant to my statement that iran is the poorest oil-producing state.

without security there is no nothing else to work on. our missiles are a deter to bloodthirsty Americans. after all, we don't like to be a puppet like india.

I see the ayatollah has tainted your vision. The world views iran as a rogue state not America.

 

[mohsen]

India is not a rentier state with vast oil reserves. Besides India being poor is irrelevant to my statement that iran is the poorest oil-producing state.

Yes, India isn't rich, yet is the biggest arms importer, and sixth in the military expenditure.

Iran isn't poorest-oil producer, yet since the revolution has been the subject of imposed war and sanctions, and right now doesn't even receive it's oil money. oil income is limited to what we sell, divide that to our population, then compare it with Saudi Arabia with higher sale, lower population, and isn't sanctioned, yet has a $100 billion annual budget shortage.

I see the ayatollah has tainted your vision. The world views iran as a rogue state not America.

why!? because we didn't let the U.S backed Iraqi dictator to defeat us!? because Americans shot down our passenger jet!? because we didn't invade Iraq and Afghanistan!? because we don't support American's world wide coups and dictators!? because we don't support the Zionist's war crimes and occupation in Palestine!? because we didn't let U.S backed ISIS, Al-Qaeda and the rest of terrorist groups to capture Iraq and Syria!?

Change the "world" to "American controlled media".

 

[500]

Iranian GDP per capital was and is around $18000 to 19000 today and it is considered a low figure. This means the amount of bread and meat and milk and gas and electricity and services that they can buy with their income is equal to $18000 to $19000 per year. This is to be compared with countries like Turkey, Russia, Brasil, Mexico, Romania, Malaysia, etc...

Country X has $40000 per capital in constant dollars. But if you want to buy a litter of petrol then you have to pay $4 per gallon while an Iranian can buy a little of petrol for something around 28 cen ts only... So that $40000 brings no well being and purchasing power to the people and it does not worth more than toilet papers.

You have subsided socialist prices that increases ur PPP. If you buy only milk and bread then Iranian will be like poor Mexican. But if you want to buy gadgets, car, travel abroad etc then you realize that average Iranian is two times more poor than Mexican because in actual dollars Mexican GNP per capita is two times higher than Iranian.

If you ask me, considering all the hardship Iran were put through in last 40 years. Including a 4 year long revolution and chaos inside Iran + an 8 year full scale war against the whole world through Saddam + all the sanctions,

All these "hardships" are nothing but policies of your crazy rulers.

Here recent example of this idiocy. Two years ago Obama lifted sanctions and granting 150 billion dollars. What would any sane person do? - Invest them in crippling economy. What did ur mullahs do? - started a campaign in Syria, sending swarms of poor Afghan migrants and Iraqi mercenaries to slaughter Syrian kids.

Bring a solid argument or just go kill some more Palestinian children... This is what you are good at...
Btw, the funniest part is that a citizen of Saudi stone age oil snake Arabia is talking about Iranian science and tech and GDP!!

You slaughtered over million people in Syria and dare to talk about Palestinians who are rapidly growing?

 

[AmirPatriot]

@Serpentine @waz

 

[VEVAK]

@AmirPatriot You are patient with me?! Do you assume this is IRI? I live in a free country and as such I will be pro/con of whatever position I WANT to be. This is not IRI where people like you can intimidate or scare people. You have no power over anyone here. Maybe in the back country where you THINK you have power, but here you don't.

You are full of hot air if you think YOUR criticism is constructive while mine isn't. Get a reality check from time to time.

It's funny that when anyone criticizes your beloved IRI either they are lecturing, uninformed, unable to read, etc. While anyone who agrees with you is a "bro".

My eagerness to criticize comes from your eagerness to exonerate. We have differing world views. So stop taking the high road.

Oh boy, just because someone disagrees with you then automagically they are uninformed. That's a very good way to win arguments, but only in your repressive IRI.

Don't go assuming again, it does you no service.



@VEVAK Seriously?! So how about compulsory "hejab"? How about women as third class citizens? How about second class citizenship for anyone who is NOT "khodie"? And how about the way Bahais are being treated?

From an economic point of view they are not doing bad, that was my argument.

From an economic point of view they are not doing bad, that was my argument.[/QUOTE]

It seems facts mean nothing to you
http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13951122000111
Take a good look at the video at the bottom of the page on that site and that's a video from all across Iran! Millions out in every city! Whether you like it or NOT Iranians WANT this system with all it's imperfections & they show it here and at the ballot box!

FYI Iran is ranked among the top ten countries in the world in the
% of Female University Students, % Female University Graduates, % Of women working in Industry and in the economic activity growth of women!
And NONE of these figures are according to Iranian government! All are from none Iranian NGO that came to Iran & got their answers!

Yes Hejab by force is BAD! And I am against Hijab by force, ban on alcoholic beverages and any other thing that effects Iran's tourism industry in all of Iran!
Quran say's "La ekraha fed deen" so I believe that laws needs to be implemented in 1%-5% of Iranian soil. (NOT all of Iran but some parts) Why? So whomever wants to live that type of life can freely do so within his or her country & Iran can become a more attractive tourism destination! For Tourism is the most important industry in the world for it's direct & indirect benefits not only out way any other industry but it's an industry that effects the masses!

People like you need to accept that there is also a large portion of Iranians that want Hejab by force including women! And large portion that don't want their kids to go to mixed schools & be exposed to western culture!

But Hejab is one issue & if enough Iranians unit they can achieve that within the confines of the laws and regulations of this system & for me it's either within this system or NONE at all!

Fact is sitting outside Iran and talking about Hijab is easy but if you go talk to the vast majority (NOT ALL) of the girls who don't cover fully they'll tell you Hijab shouldn't be forced but even if it wasn't they would dress the same way!

My issue with Hijab is more of an economic nature and has more to do with Tourism than anything else!

 

[WordsMatter]

From an economic point of view they are not doing bad, that was my argument.

It seems facts mean nothing to you
http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13951122000111
Take a good look at the video at the bottom of the page on that site and that's a video from all across Iran! Millions out in every city! Whether you like it or NOT Iranians WANT this system with all it's imperfections & they show it here and at the ballot box!

FYI Iran is ranked among the top ten countries in the world in the
% of Female University Students, % Female University Graduates, % Of women working in Industry and in the economic activity growth of women!
And NONE of these figures are according to Iranian government! All are from none Iranian NGO that came to Iran & got their answers!

Yes Hejab by force is BAD! And I am against Hijab by force, ban on alcoholic beverages and any other thing that effects Iran's tourism industry in all of Iran!
Quran say's "La ekraha fed deen" so I believe that laws needs to be implemented in 1%-5% of Iranian soil. (NOT all of Iran but some parts) Why? So whomever wants to live that type of life can freely do so within his or her country & Iran can become a more attractive tourism destination! For Tourism is the most important industry in the world for it's direct & indirect benefits not only out way any other industry but it's an industry that effects the masses!

People like you need to accept that there is also a large portion of Iranians that want Hejab by force including women! And large portion that don't want their kids to go to mixed schools & be exposed to western culture!

But Hejab is one issue & if enough Iranians unit they can achieve that within the confines of the laws and regulations of this system & for me it's either within this system or NONE at all!

Fact is sitting outside Iran and talking about Hijab is easy but if you go talk to the vast majority (NOT ALL) of the girls who don't cover fully they'll tell you Hijab shouldn't be forced but even if it wasn't they would dress the same way!

My issue with Hijab is more of an economic nature and has more to do with Tourism than anything else![/QUOTE]

@VEVAK I don't disagree that many Iranians do in fact like IRI. And I do believe they rather have IRI than an imposed "order", or be told what they should have for government. My point is that IRI is imperfect, deceitful, imprisons its citizens for criticizing the elite, mis-treats religious and ethnic minorities, is corrupt and is mis-managed. If you truly love your country and IRI, you must be honest with yourself about its imperfections, and admit that those defects exist and must be remedied. There is no shame in admitting failure. What would be shameful is to ignore, rather cover-up, the moral bankruptcy of IRI. IRI claims to represent the downtrodden, and yet is plagued with some of the worst elite corruption on earth. Let alone the violence that it hands out to its critics. And yes corruption is not exclusive to IRI, even the US suffers from elite corruption as we witnessed during the 2008 financial melt down, perpetrated by bankers' greed, and yet no criminal charges were brought up against any of the CEOs, CFOs, or politicians who made it possible. The difference is that I freely and willingly admit it, publish it, and can talk about it without fear of retribution. Can you freely criticize Mr. Khamenie in Iran? Can a journalist question his wisdom the way we do our elected officials?

And perhaps the Iranians are OK with IRI's imperfections, there is no free and unbiased study to prove me wrong or right, and that's the tragedy. The promise of Iran's 1979 revolution was liberty, freedom, and independence. I should know, I was among the many millions of Iranians who participated in the revolution. But now I live in the US, fearful to ever go back, unwilling to live under the yolk of religious zealotry and dogma, and willing to be a minority in my second home. But I am free here. I have rights here. And I am unafraid to speak my mind.

IRI is the order that millions of Iranians have chosen. I don't dispute that and I respect their right to choose. I choose to speak the truth about it, it's failures, and shameful conduct when it comes to its own citizenry. I differ with you and your beliefs, but I still respect your opinion.

 

[VEVAK]

It seems facts mean nothing to you
http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13951122000111
Take a good look at the video at the bottom of the page on that site and that's a video from all across Iran! Millions out in every city! Whether you like it or NOT Iranians WANT this system with all it's imperfections & they show it here and at the ballot box!

FYI Iran is ranked among the top ten countries in the world in the
% of Female University Students, % Female University Graduates, % Of women working in Industry and in the economic activity growth of women!
And NONE of these figures are according to Iranian government! All are from none Iranian NGO that came to Iran & got their answers!

Yes Hejab by force is BAD! And I am against Hijab by force, ban on alcoholic beverages and any other thing that effects Iran's tourism industry in all of Iran!
Quran say's "La ekraha fed deen" so I believe that laws needs to be implemented in 1%-5% of Iranian soil. (NOT all of Iran but some parts) Why? So whomever wants to live that type of life can freely do so within his or her country & Iran can become a more attractive tourism destination! For Tourism is the most important industry in the world for it's direct & indirect benefits not only out way any other industry but it's an industry that effects the masses!

People like you need to accept that there is also a large portion of Iranians that want Hejab by force including women! And large portion that don't want their kids to go to mixed schools & be exposed to western culture!

But Hejab is one issue & if enough Iranians unit they can achieve that within the confines of the laws and regulations of this system & for me it's either within this system or NONE at all!

Fact is sitting outside Iran and talking about Hijab is easy but if you go talk to the vast majority (NOT ALL) of the girls who don't cover fully they'll tell you Hijab shouldn't be forced but even if it wasn't they would dress the same way!

My issue with Hijab is more of an economic nature and has more to do with Tourism than anything else!

@VEVAK .[/QUOTE]

For 38 years the U.S. Media hasn't been able to go a single year without showing Iran in a negative light!
That is a FACT!
For 38 Years the U.S. has funded & provided a voice for every anti Iranian group whether they be the Pahlavi supporters who are still stuck in the 60's or MKO nut job traitors who have 0 support in Iran to any other anti Iranian group!
So Iran's response in terms of many social freedoms at home is reactionary to the actions and behavior of the most powerful country on the planet who has attempted coups in Iran before!

America has it's war party who are the Christian Conservative right wings Republicans for 38 years Iran has been threatened, attacked, sanctioned & meddled with so currently every political party in Iran is a war party from the reformist to the ultra conservatives
You can't constantly be under threat & expect to behave like Switzerland!

Fact is if you are trusted you can criticize but someone like you or me can't go to Iran and write articles but that has more to do with U.S. behavior against Iran in the past 38 years! Iran's response is only reactionary to that!
Or else here

 

[Asghar1234]

Haters gonna die.

We probably don't have good economy but the least we have independence.

Yes Hejab by force is BAD! And I am against Hijab by force, ban on alcoholic beverages and any other thing that effects Iran's tourism industry in all of Iran!
Quran say's "La ekraha fed deen" so I believe that laws needs to be implemented in 1%-5% of Iranian soil. (NOT all of Iran but some parts) Why? So whomever wants to live that type of life can freely do so within his or her country & Iran can become a more attractive tourism destination! For Tourism is the most important industry in the world for it's direct & indirect benefits not only out way any other industry but it's an industry that effects the masses!

People like you need to accept that there is also a large portion of Iranians that want Hejab by force including women! And large portion that don't want their kids to go to mixed schools & be exposed to western culture!

But Hejab is one issue & if enough Iranians unit they can achieve that within the confines of the laws and regulations of this system & for me it's either within this system or NONE at all!

Fact is sitting outside Iran and talking about Hijab is easy but if you go talk to the vast majority (NOT ALL) of the girls who don't cover fully they'll tell you Hijab shouldn't be forced but even if it wasn't they would dress the same way!

My issue with Hijab is more of an economic nature and has more to do with Tourism than anything else!

Iran will never become a liberal country like Turkey, if hijab, drinking etc... is pain in your head go to Turkey.

La ikraha feddin means you are not allowed to threaten a pagan to death to become Muslim by force, but society values are completely different from that Quranic aya.