Iranian retaliation, scenarios (how to respond?)

[Philosopher]

There is only two attacks that are considered sabotage by Iranian authorities and rest are civilian accidents as per Iranian authorities. So no civilian areas were targeted and there is no desperation here.

Obviously the explosions that have occurred in the span of a week to each other are not likely to be "accidents".

They have ability to hit you from within, and you are twisting this and calling it desperation on their part? If anything, you are the desperate one trying to pain rosy picture about the situation.

Ability to pay some internal agents is nothing special. All nations will have such agents in other adversarial nations.

Israel is not under any pressure by Iran and strikes Iranian weapons storages and assets in Syria without consequences. If you are under pressure you step back and take the hits. They are not taking any hits from Iran nor its allies, only Palestinians from Gaza who are actually interested in 'resisting' Israel unlike Iranian regime.

Iran is opening a second front against Israel in Syria. This is the real "pressure" they are facing. If your struggling to see the full picture, then again, this is not an issue from my end.

You also claim Iran is playing long game but we don't see this when it launches attack on Saudi Arabia

Can you prove Iran launched an attack on Saudi Arabia?

or attacks on Turkish troops in Syria.

This is a made up claim.

Iran uses its cards against these Muslim nations but never use one card against Israel even though it can do so and would risk only a small Israeli retaliation. So either you guys are scared or you consider Israeli's as your brothers.

Iran is the only nation that is actively against Israel. Hezbollah has been the only Arab entity to face and defeat Israel. Just because they are not attacking Israel in a suicidal manner to make you feel happy does not mean there is a secret friendship going on. Of course this is obvious for people to see, but not for those that have a sectarian agenda.

Did you not just serve a ban for spreading sectarianism? Are you working your up to the point again?

Sorry dude but we are not tolerating Iran's sectarianism anymore. You guys tell us Arab regimes like Al-Saud are backwards and incompetent and can't do anything against Iran. Now Israel attack you and you blame Al-Saud for having a hand in it. Now they are suddenly very competent. And we know any military reprisal by Iran won't even target the culprit Israel. You guys are now talking about targeting a Gulf Muslim nation instead. Either shows fear of war or shows love of Israel. Make up your mind. Are you guys afraid of small skirmish with Israel and want to attack weak country instead or you guys have no hate with Israeli's and see only Arabs as enemy?

What is the relevance of this to the quoted comment my friend?

 

[Beny Karachun]

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@Philosopher Another explosion in Iran. Was Israel humiliated even more?

 

[Muhammed45]

There is only two attacks that are considered sabotage by Iranian authorities and rest are civilian accidents as per Iranian authorities. So no civilian areas were targeted and there is no desperation here.

They have ability to hit you from within, and you are twisting this and calling it desperation on their part? If anything, you are the desperate one trying to pain rosy picture about the situation.

Israel is not under any pressure by Iran and strikes Iranian weapons storages and assets in Syria without consequences. If you are under pressure you step back and take the hits. They are not taking any hits from Iran nor its allies, only Palestinians from Gaza who are actually interested in 'resisting' Israel unlike Iranian regime.

You also claim Iran is playing long game but we don't see this when it launches attack on Saudi Arabia or attacks on Turkish troops in Syria. Iran uses its cards against these Muslim nations but never use one card against Israel even though it can do so and would risk only a small Israeli retaliation. So either you guys are scared or you consider Israeli's as your brothers.



Sorry dude but we are not tolerating Iran's sectarianism anymore. You guys tell us Arab regimes like Al-Saud are backwards and incompetent and can't do anything against Iran. Now Israel attack you and you blame Al-Saud for having a hand in it. Now they are suddenly very competent. And we know any military reprisal by Iran won't even target the culprit Israel. You guys are now talking about targeting a Gulf Muslim nation instead. Either shows fear of war or shows love of Israel. Make up your mind. Are you guys afraid of small skirmish with Israel and want to attack weak country instead or you guys have no hate with Israeli's and see only Arabs as enemy?

So troll, tell us how Ale Saud a family supported by West to make fitna among Muslims becomes the whole Arabian people of Middle East?

The way you speak of Ale Saud as if there is only 1 tribe in whole Arabia and it is Ale Saud. Tell us about Khashoggi murder, was he a Shia or an Iranian citizen Btw?

And tell me the reason why kiss Ale Saud ***?

 

[Mithridates]

draw red line, state that if anyone does such attacks we will respond non proportionally. if they did again launch 50 missile on one target area, next day 200, next 300...
we need EMP, israel is small country we can neutralize them with EMP bombs.

 

[Philosopher]

@Philosopher Another explosion in Iran. Was Israel humiliated even more?

If this indeed occurred, you are basically saying Israel being pushed to pay some saboteurs to plant explosives in civilian sectors is not embarrassing? You are basically acting like ISIS at the moment.

 

[Falcon29]

If you struggle to put 2+2 together then this is not really an issue from my end. Obviously the explosions that have occurred in the span of a week to each other are not likely to be "accidents".

When the attack in Natanz you downplayed it and told everyone to wait for investigation by respective authorities. After which it was said to be gas tank explosion. Later it was revealed to be attack on centrifuge development building which Iran now confirms was an act by foreign nation. The other three explosions were considered accidents by Iranian authorities.

Ability to pay some internal agents is nothing special. All nations will have such agents in other adversarial nations.

These are people with access to sensitive sites in Iran and likely can go under the radar while planting explosives. This is a capability you do not have in for Israel, for instance. You can't pay any Israeli to blow up a military or nuclear site in Israel, they just won't do it. So obviously this is a problem for Iran and Iranian security apparatus is taking it seriously.

It was also a problem in Gaza, they planted explosives and sent special forces disguised as Arabs inside Gaza. Those ones were caught in the act but the activity surely didn't stop and Hamas armed wing took it very seriously and took lots of measures since then.

Iran is opening a second front against Israel in Syria. This is the real "pressure" they are facing. If your struggling to see the full picture, then again, this is not an issue from my end.

Iran is not doing anything against Israel in Syria and never will. You guys keep saying you are doing something against Israel but we never see attacks against them. And that's over a very long period, we gave you benefit of doubt to say the least.

Can you prove Iran launched an attack on Saudi Arabia?

Not going to convince, but everyone knows who conducted the attack on the Al Baqiq refinery in Saudi Arabia.

This is a made up claim.

It is not, Iran sent Hezbollah to the Idlib front and they were involved in shelling Turkish troops. Turkish AF targeted Hezbollah and implicated them during the whole ordeal.

Iran is the only nation that is actively against Israel. Hezbollah has been the only Arab entity to face and defeat Israel. Just because they are not attacking Israel in a suicidal manner to make you feel happy does not mean there is a secret friendship going on. Of course this os obvious for people to see, but not for those that have a sectarian agenda.

Hezbollah was not expecting to get into a war with Israel, Israel overreacted and therefore Hezbollah had moral reason to put up a fight and Israel did not have justification to take the war so far. They put a fight up against Israeli troops but otherwise Israel itself was mostly left unharmed. My definition of defeating Israel is different than yours.

So now you say it is suicidal to retaliate to these attacks? You attacked US base in Iraq after they attacked you, if you can buildup case against Israel what is preventing you from responding to them? At most Israel would conduct few air strikes at Iran's coast. Is Iran's regime just worried about humiliation because they will be under pressure to back up their rhetoric against Israel in event of attack on Iran?

This is the real case my friend. They gonna lose 'resistance' image across whole regional public at that point which is what worries them. So it is better to keep it at rhetorical level.

 

[Muhammed45]

When the attack in Natanz you downplayed it and told everyone to wait for investigation by respective authorities. After which it was said to be gas tank explosion. Later it was revealed to be attack on centrifuge development building which Iran now confirms was an act by foreign nation. The other three explosions were considered accidents by Iranian authorities.



These are people with access to sensitive sites in Iran and likely can go under the radar while planting explosives. This is a capability you do not have in for Israel, for instance. You can't pay any Israeli to blow up a military or nuclear site in Israel, they just won't do it. So obviously this is a problem for Iran and Iranian security apparatus is taking it seriously.

It was also a problem in Gaza, they planted explosives and sent special forces disguised as Arabs inside Gaza. Those ones were caught in the act but the activity surely didn't stop and Hamas armed wing took it very seriously and took lots of measures since then.



Iran is not doing anything against Israel in Syria and never will. You guys keep saying you are doing something against Israel but we never see attacks against them. And that's over a very long period, we gave you benefit of doubt to say the least.



Not going to convince, but everyone knows who conducted the attack on the Al Baqiq refinery in Saudi Arabia.



It is not, Iran sent Hezbollah to the Idlib front and they were involved in shelling Turkish troops. Turkish AF targeted Hezbollah and implicated them during the whole ordeal.



Hezbollah was not expecting to get into a war with Israel, Israel overreacted and therefore Hezbollah had moral reason to put up a fight and Israel did not have justification to take the war so far. They put a fight up against Israeli troops but otherwise Israel itself was mostly left unharmed. My definition of defeating Israel is different than yours.

So now you say it is suicidal to retaliate to these attacks? You attacked US base in Iraq after they attacked you, if you can buildup case against Israel what is preventing you from responding to them? At most Israel would conduct few air strikes at Iran's coast. Is Iran's regime just worried about humiliation because they will be under pressure to back up their rhetoric against Israel in event of attack on Iran?

This is the real case my friend. They gonna lose 'resistance' image across whole regional public at that point which is what worries them. So it is better to keep it at rhetorical level.

What did i just not Read? Lol, a Long list of BS from a known troll.

 

[Falcon29]

draw red line, state that if anyone does such attacks we will respond non proportionally. if they did again launch 50 missile on one target area, next day 200, next 300...
we need EMP, israel is small country we can neutralize them with EMP bombs.

You have weapons but you don't have political will. Iranian Supreme leader is lying to regional public and to his own Iranian people. He is not interested in active fight against Israel. He can even order limited reprisal attack and Israeli's can't do much about it. You think Israel can start doing dozens of air strikes on Iran over a limited drone/bm attack? You know how far that is for them?

 

[Dariush the Great]

When the attack in Natanz you downplayed it and told everyone to wait for investigation by respective authorities. After which it was said to be gas tank explosion. Later it was revealed to be attack on centrifuge development building which Iran now confirms was an act by foreign nation. The other three explosions were considered accidents by Iranian authorities.



These are people with access to sensitive sites in Iran and likely can go under the radar while planting explosives. This is a capability you do not have in for Israel, for instance. You can't pay any Israeli to blow up a military or nuclear site in Israel, they just won't do it. So obviously this is a problem for Iran and Iranian security apparatus is taking it seriously.

It was also a problem in Gaza, they planted explosives and sent special forces disguised as Arabs inside Gaza. Those ones were caught in the act but the activity surely didn't stop and Hamas armed wing took it very seriously and took lots of measures since then.



Iran is not doing anything against Israel in Syria and never will. You guys keep saying you are doing something against Israel but we never see attacks against them. And that's over a very long period, we gave you benefit of doubt to say the least.



Not going to convince, but everyone knows who conducted the attack on the Al Baqiq refinery in Saudi Arabia.



It is not, Iran sent Hezbollah to the Idlib front and they were involved in shelling Turkish troops. Turkish AF targeted Hezbollah and implicated them during the whole ordeal.



Hezbollah was not expecting to get into a war with Israel, Israel overreacted and therefore Hezbollah had moral reason to put up a fight and Israel did not have justification to take the war so far. They put a fight up against Israeli troops but otherwise Israel itself was mostly left unharmed. My definition of defeating Israel is different than yours.

So now you say it is suicidal to retaliate to these attacks? You attacked US base in Iraq after they attacked you, if you can buildup case against Israel what is preventing you from responding to them? At most Israel would conduct few air strikes at Iran's coast. Is Iran's regime just worried about humiliation because they will be under pressure to back up their rhetoric against Israel in event of attack on Iran?

This is the real case my friend. They gonna lose 'resistance' image across whole regional public at that point which is what worries them. So it is better to keep it at rhetorical level.

so oh dear magnificient hazzy. instead of going offtopic (which i have not reported you for yet) can you enlighten us how Iran could take a retaliatory measure? STAY ON TOPIC.

 

[Falcon29]

so oh dear magnificient hazzy. instead of going offtopic (which i have not reported you for yet) can you enlighten us how Iran could take a retaliatory measure? STAY ON TOPIC.

It is not off topic, @Philosopher is twisting things around and claiming it is a non-issue.

Iran needs a policy and not just a measure against Israel. A policy is what it claims to have but in practice doesn't. Hezbollah in Lebanon is not going to attack Israel, neither Syrians in Syria nor Iranians in Syria. If their focus was on Israel and they really put into practice 'resisitance' against Israel, then all these areas, Syria , Lebanon and Gaza would be ready to always respond to Israel. Lebanon Hezbollah is more interested in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria and Yemen and has no interest in Israel at the moment. Syria has its own issues now and Iran itself never showed us what it is considering against Israel so it's hard to assess what Iran itself would do. Iran needs political will first before anything.

 

[Philosopher]

When the attack in Natanz you downplayed it and told everyone to wait for investigation by respective authorities.

Who downplayed it? properly reference your comments

After which it was said to be gas tank explosion.

You are confusing two separate incidents. The explosion at Parchin was a gas tank explosion, not at Natanz

The other three explosions were considered accidents by Iranian authorities.

Like I said earlier, the issue is you cannot see the obvious. The explosions are clearly not unrelated given the close proximity (time wise) they occurred in.

. This is a capability you do not have in for Israel, for instance. You can't pay any Israeli to blow up a military or nuclear site in Israel, they just won't do it.

Iran not using its assets as recklessly as Israel does not mean they do not exist. These parochial comments are frankly showing your lack of understanding regarding these topics. All nations have spies and saboteurs on the land of their adversaries.

Gonen Segev: Israel ex-minister admits spying for Iran
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-46808797

Iran is not doing anything against Israel in Syria and never will. You guys keep saying you are doing something against Israel but we never see attacks against them. And that's over a very long period, we gave you benefit of doubt to say the least.

You're just repeating yourself now. I do not need to keep addressing why Iran is not responding.

Not going to convince, but everyone knows who conducted the attack on the Al Baqiq refinery in Saudi Arabia.

"everybody knows" is not a proper line of evidence. Go familiarise yourself with the fallacy of Argumentum ad populum.

It is not, Iran sent Hezbollah to the Idlib front and they were involved in shelling Turkish troops. Turkish AF targeted Hezbollah and implicated them during the whole ordeal.

There were plenty of such fake news available, you are choosing to believe them simply because they suite your agenda and narrative.

Hezbollah was not expecting to get into a war with Israel, Israel overreacted and therefore Hezbollah had moral reason to put up a fight and Israel did not have justification to take the war so far. They put a fight up against Israeli troops but otherwise Israel itself was mostly left unharmed. My definition of defeating Israel is different than yours.

You can invent your own definition of victory, but that does not change the reality the Hezbollah was the first Arab entity that fought and defeated them as far as the general definition of victory went in that war (and wars in general).

So now you say it is suicidal to retaliate to these attacks? You attacked US base in Iraq after they attacked you

Apples and oranges.

if you can buildup case against Israel what is preventing you from responding to them? At most Israel would conduct few air strikes at Iran's coast. Is Iran's regime just worried about humiliation because they will be under pressure to back up their rhetoric against Israel in event of attack on Iran?

Just out of curiosity, how many times do you need to be told why Iran is not responding to Israeli attacks? If you choose not to accept it, that is one thing, but do not keep repeating yourself.

This is the real case my friend. They gonna lose 'resistance' image across whole regional public at that point which is what worries them. So it is better to keep it at rhetorical level.

Whilst you are singing this typical conspiracy tunes, Iran is busy creating a new front against Israel. The only "rhetorical level" campaigns are coming from the likes of you. Unfortunately for you, your disinformation campaign changes nothing on the ground nor is it fooling anyone.

 

[Dariush the Great]

It is not off topic, @Philosopher is twisting things around and claiming it is a non-issue.

Iran needs a policy and not just a measure against Israel. A policy is what it claims to have but in practice doesn't. Hezbollah in Lebanon is not going to attack Israel, neither Syrians in Syria nor Iranians in Syria. If their focus was on Israel and they really put into practice 'resisitance' against Israel, then all these areas, Syria , Lebanon and Gaza would be ready to always respond to Israel. Lebanon Hezbollah is more interested in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria and Yemen and has no interest in Israel at the moment. Syria has its own issues now and Iran itself never showed us what it is considering against Israel so it's hard to assess what Iran itself would do. Iran needs political will first before anything.

How do you know there isn't a policy or some kind of grand plan in the making ? Does it make sense to you the lack of retaliation ? It doesn't make any sense, for no one, hence the strong suggestion for a long term plan.

He can even order limited reprisal attack and Israeli's can't do much about it. You think Israel can start doing dozens of air strikes on Iran over a limited drone/bm attack? You know how far that is for them?

That is the core issue. We don't know how insane the Israelis are but judging from their past actions they are pretty insane. Iranian soil is a red line and can not be risked to be targeted by Israel, the US or any enemy.

 

[Falcon29]

@Philosopher

You posted nothing of substance as usual, so there is nothing to discuss, but since you asked, look at your posts at #33 and #40 in this thread, it turned out you were wrong:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huge-explosions-in-iran.673094/page-3

How do you know there isn't a policy or some kind of grand plan in the making ? Does it make sense to you the lack of retaliation ? It doesn't make any sense, for no one, hence the strong suggestion for a long term plan.

It makes sense to everyone, Iran does not view Israeli's as more enemies than Arabs. Iran views Arabs and Turkey as greater enemy and dedicates its resources to fight against them. It will not play any card against Israel as it has no problems with Israel in long term. It just has nuclear program to make sure they don't interfere with process of spreading Iranian influence in ME region.

So if that's what you mean by long term plan than yes. But, if you mean some long term plan against Israel it simply doesn't exist. It has long term plan against Iraq, Yemen and Saudi Arabia is in process of executing those plans.

 

[Salmanov]

Iran has no ideological problems with Israel and never gonna go to war with it. Irans interests is in Saudi/Gulf/Iraq. Ultimately, if war in region happened Iran will just talk with US and assure them their war is not with Israel but that they want to be allowed to attack Saudi Arabia, Iraqis and other Gulf nations in region.



Why don't you just be honest with Iranian people, Iranian gov't is scared of real war and direct involvement of theirs in war. And also Iran has no ideological problem with Israel thus it's very hard for Iranian regime to justify attacking them for any reason. While also Iranian regime officials are corrupt and are the wealthy in Iran and they don't care about resistance or whatever they sell to their people. It's not a serious thing but way to get into power and make money.

They not gonna sacrifice their standing and wealth in society . It is not about strategic thinking. There is no strategic thinking by this regime when it orders it's militias to attack Saudis and Iraqi protesters/activists.

Hazzy the glorious strikes again

 

[Philosopher]

@Philosopher

You posted nothing of substance as usual, so there is nothing to discuss,

On the contrary, it was your usual line of narrative that was debunked. It seems every few weeks you start posting the exact same comments as if they were not addressed already. Perhaps you enjoy deja vu?

but since you asked, look at your posts at #33 and #40 in this thread, it turned out you were wrong:

The gas explosion was a separate incident to the centrifuge site in Natazan. The gas explosion was in a military base in Parchin and was confirmed to have been caused by an explosion due to the gas containers.