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No what I'm saying is that any modern tank can be destroyed by a modern ATGM, TOW, JAVELIN, wtv as long as you hit a weak spot. Tanks like any weapon need to be used properly in a combined arms doctine, but no tank or weapon is invincible. Pretty much any tank will go sky high if it goes over a mine or IED. If one if not enough, the enemy will use two, or 4. Even an MRAP will go sky high if the IED is loaded with enough explosive material.

There are so many Americans online who actually believe that it's impossible for Russia to destroy a HIMARS. When in reality the only thing that makes it remarkable is that it's rockets/missiles are GPS guided. Other than that, it's just a truck mounted rocket/missile launching system. That's it. It doesn't have a force field, it's not invisible. Any weapon can be destroyed, any army can be beaten.

With this logic, you might as well build nothing. Might as well build no missiles cause they have Arrow-3.


That's not a big deal being on the rear
 
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You are comparing T-72 that cost ~$1M to Abrams tank that cost $9M+

No logic in such a discussion. It’s quantity vs quality —the underlying theme of Soviet doctrine.
i'm not comparing t-72 with Abram , even our raksh upgrade for t-72 is more survivable than T-72 at least karrar have blow out pannels something t-72 lack and that make it a lot better for crew
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. I'm comparing internal layout of Abram with internal layout of t-72 , I assume as Karrar is based on T-72 its internal layout must be fairly similar . do you have any picture of internal layout of karrar ?
Merkava 4 has engine in front, at the back it has doors
well that is storage room and alot equipment to maintain the tank there
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This is filmsy narrative..

First of all Russia will not join and they won't fight in another war for the next few decades as they have wasted resources in Ukraine.

Your lack of knowledge of the region makes sense since you are south asian with zero relation to West Asia. Russia post soviet times has always eyed a return to Caspian region and surroundings. They have official claims in Caspian sea and they meddle heavily in oil-politics of the region. Now they have Iran as a strong ally and Syria as a base too.

Russia will never fight Turkey without using Nuclear weapons hence one of the reasons they never engaged Turkey they do realize that conventionally Russia can't overcome Turkey on the ground hence Russia will only engage Turkey for serious issue which will require the use of Nuclear war heads.

Not exactly. Again lack of knowledge from a south asian outsider who is trying to come across as some sort of general for Russians and Iranians. Russia has been engaging Turkey since 1980s. Who do you think founded PKK? I can bet you have zero knowledge of it. It was Russian KGB in Baku. Do you want to know whose brainchild PKK was in KGB ? It was Heydar Aliyev, the father of Azeri Republic and of current president. Even after 20+ years of its formation, the Azeri republic did not recognize PKK as a terrorist organization which massacers Turkish forces for lunch. They not only created PKK, they harboured them for a long time too. Funny enough the same Azeri republic refused to harbour any anti Iran terror element which is why we have zero violence in Azerbaijan, except for few media clowns who bark but do nothing else. Here is something interesting, the first publication on incoming Kurdish majority population change in Turkey came from ... nowhere but Moscow.

Do you want to know why ? Because Azeris are the people who invented Shiaism in the region and the Qizilbash Military order that created Saffavid Empire. Tell some Azeri from republic or from iran that will he will side with any anti Shia force he will laugh at you.

Russia never engaged Turkey in Syria nor had any intentions of that it is based on the conventional ground reality.. Taking on a nearly 100mio population armed to the teeth only conventionally is not viable option.

Turkey is less populated than Iran, also the region that connects Turkey to Iran is infested with Azeris (Shias) and Kurds (hate Turkish). In order to make a move against Iran on ground Turkish forces will have to pass through PKK infested corridors in their own region let alone entering Iran through tough mountainous region. Even if some of the forces enter Iran they will meet hardcore tribal Shia Azeris or Kurds. My family is from Khoy, Azerbaijan so trust me I know more about that region than you.

And btw Turkey is not armed to teeth. In case of conflict, IRGC will fire some 500-1000 pinpoint accurate MaRVs/CM on 3 Turkish FABs that house 6 squadrons facing Iran and the Turkish attack arm will be gone. IRGC's GVs rain down at 4-5 mach so good luck intercepting them. What will Turkish do then ? they have near to zero missile power and their UCAVs cant pass through multi layered AD of Iran (covered with SHORADS, TVC-HIMADS). With mild re-structuring Russian AD has brought down 20 bayraktars in hostile region. What will happen to them in Iranian skies which even American Stealth UCAVs (RQ-170, RQ-4) have failed to pass through?

Iran doesn't want to fight Turkey-Azerbaijan it is just not a winnable fight for them.

Multiple times through history Iran has blasted Ottoman forces out of our region. Which is why despite being ruling Arabs and Berbers for centuries Ottomans couldnt establish rule over an inch out of Iranian land. Instead, as soon as any Turkoman or Azeri empire took over Iran, they attacked Ottomans.

They are much better armed and slightly out number Iran.

Turkey has no missile power like Iran so their airbases are at mercy of IRGC's MaRVs which Turkish AD can't intercept. IRGC can fire barrages of MaRVs from their underground bases deep from the Southern territory (our highest range is 3000+ km for BM, 2000KM for CM). The F-16s will blast to fragments on ground and runways will be gone.

Any bookmakers prior to such conflict will make the Turkey side favourites.

You are deluded in Turkish love while Turkish nationalist will call you a converted Indian. Trust me, I know them esp their nationalists more than you will ever do. You think of them as some Islamic warriors and your equals, they in reality are European wannabe liberals who see you as stupid clients they can generate easy money from.

It won't be an entirely rollover of Iran but it will instead take a different shape. Turkey and Azerbaijan will be able to occupy 15-20% of iran after a gruelling 3-4 years war ending with a mutual ceasefire.

Historically it has always been Iran who has occupied Anatolia. Below is the not so distant history of Azeris with Turkish. Tabriz being emptied by Azeri forces of ottoman invaders in some classic azeri way.

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Some may think well why not a roll-over etc etc because this is not how real wars work especially when both populations are large on each side it will be a drawn out war where Iran will be bested and lose about 15-20% land territory but not entirely rolled over or annihilated.

You are suffering from some conflicted self-identity crisis which is resulting into love for Turkish nation that you have no blood or historical link with. Closest you ever got to touch a Turk was when Turko-Iranics ruled you (Mamluks, Uzbek Moghals) or attacked you (Azeris of Iran, Afshars, my people).

Will both sides want to engage in this? not really because Turkey-Azerbaijan don't want to waste alot of resources and manpower for only 15-20% of Iran and Iran doesn't want to enter a conflict where they are the underdogs in a potential small loss of territory

Potential result will be that Shia Azerbaijan which was taken from iran by force by Russia will return to Iran the same way Shia Iraq rolled back into Iranian fold. Us Azeris did not choose to leave Iran we were over-powered because of inner weak government of Iran at that time. Even then, the warrior clans of Qizilbash of Baku fought to the point that Russians almost lost the war. They had to cross over Qizilbash soldier's bodies to enter the fort. We are Shias, Qizilbash warriors who have massacred Russians, Ottomans, Indians. Only stupid outsiders with no knowledge of region think we will side with anything other than Shia or Azeri/Iranian.

I have noticed that majority of this forum a layman sometimes I have even seen a filmsy or cartoonish descriptions of wars but that is just not possible in the realm of reality and in the real probability of conventional engagement

Only cartoonish comments are coming from you here. A South Asian man with some delusional fetish for Turkish because you think doing so will turn you into west asian. I never understand why does Pakistan produce the highest number of these self hating types who love other nations more than they love their own country.
 
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Your lack of knowledge of the region makes sense since you are south asian with zero relation to West Asia. Russia post soviet times has always eyed a return to Caspian region and surroundings. They have official claims in Caspian sea and they meddle heavily in oil-politics of the region. Now they have Iran as a strong ally and Syria as a base too.



Not exactly. Again lack of knowledge from a south asian outsider who is trying to come across as some sort of general for Russians and Iranians. Russia has been engaging Turkey since 1980s. Who do you think founded PKK? I can bet you have zero knowledge of it. It was Russian KGB in Baku. Do you want to know whose brainchild PKK was in KGB ? It was Heydar Aliyev, the father of Azeri Republic and of current president. Even after 20+ years of its formation, the Azeri republic did not recognize PKK as a terrorist organization which massacers Turkish forces for lunch. They not only created PKK, they harboured them for a long time too. Funny enough the same Azeri republic refused to harbour any anti Iran terror element which is why we have zero violence in Azerbaijan, except for few media clowns who bark but do nothing else. Here is something interesting, the first publication on incoming Kurdish majority population change in Turkey came from ... nowhere but Moscow.

Do you want to know why ? Because Azeris are the people who invented Shiaism in the region and the Qizilbash Military order that created Saffavid Empire. Tell some Azeri from republic or from iran that will he will side with any anti Shia force he will laugh at you.



Turkey is less populated than Iran, also the region that connects Turkey to Iran is infested with Azeris (Shias) and Kurds (hate Turkish). In order to make a move against Iran on ground Turkish forces will have to pass through PKK infested corridors in their own region let alone entering Iran through tough mountainous region. Even if some of the forces enter Iran they will meet hardcore tribal Shia Azeris or Kurds. My family is from Khoy, Azerbaijan so trust me I know more about that region than you.

And btw Turkey is not armed to teeth. In case of conflict, IRGC will fire some 500-1000 pinpoint accurate MaRVs/CM on 3 Turkish FABs that house 6 squadrons facing Iran and the Turkish attack arm will be gone. IRGC's GVs rain down at 4-5 mach so good luck intercepting them. What will Turkish do then ? they have near to zero missile power and their UCAVs cant pass through multi layered AD of Iran (covered with SHORADS, TVC-HIMADS). With mild re-structuring Russian AD has brought down 20 bayraktars in hostile region. What will happen to them in Iranian skies which even American Stealth UCAVs (RQ-170, RQ-4) have failed to pass through?



Multiple times through history Iran has blasted Ottoman forces out of our region. Which is why despite being ruling Arabs and Berbers for centuries Ottomans couldnt establish rule over an inch out of Iranian land. Instead, as soon as any Turkoman or Azeri empire took over Iran, they attacked Ottomans.



Turkey has no missile power like Iran so their airbases are at mercy of IRGC's MaRVs which Turkish AD can't intercept. IRGC can fire barrages of MaRVs from their underground bases deep from the Southern territory (our highest range is 3000+ km for BM, 2000KM for CM). The F-16s will blast to fragments on ground and runways will be gone.



You are deluded in Turkish love while Turkish nationalist will call you a converted Indian. Trust me, I know them esp their nationalists more than you will ever do. You think of them as some Islamic warriors and your equals, they in reality are European wannabe liberals who see you as stupid clients they can generate easy money from.



Historically it has always been Iran who has occupied Anatolia. Below is the not so distant history of Azeris with Turkish. Tabriz being emptied by Azeri forces of ottoman invaders in some classic azeri way.

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You are suffering from some conflicted self-identity crisis which is resulting into love for Turkish nation that you have no blood or historical link with. Closest you ever got to touch a Turk was when Turko-Iranics ruled you (Mamluks, Uzbek Moghals) or attacked you (Azeris of Iran, Afshars, my people).



Potential result will be that Shia Azerbaijan which was taken from iran by force by Russia will return to Iran the same way Shia Iraq rolled back into Iranian fold. Us Azeris did not choose to leave Iran we were over-powered because of inner weak government of Iran at that time. Even then, the warrior clans of Qizilbash of Baku fought to the point that Russians almost lost the war. They had to cross over Qizilbash soldier's bodies to enter the fort. We are Shias, Qizilbash warriors who have massacred Russians, Ottomans, Indians. Only stupid outsiders with no knowledge of region think we will side with anything other than Shia or Azeri/Iranian.



Only cartoonish comments are coming from you here. A South Asian man with some delusional fetish for Turkish because you think doing so will turn you into west asian. I never understand why does Pakistan produce the highest number of these self hating types who love other nations more than they love their own country.

What in the actual fuk is this.... This sounds like someone who has mental fartness wrote it. What is all this with sectrianism, ethnic outcries have to do with what I said.. Are you retarded or something I pointed out something clear but you replied with a bunch of gibberish and off-topic elements..

PKK? how is that Russia engaging Turkey..:lol: Are you on drugs or something what does PKK even have anything to do with this or in that matter some Shia peasant farmers in this is also irrelevant..

Also Azerbaijan is with Turkey they have signed a defense treaty pact get with the program. Iran suppports Armenia over Azerbaijan. this is not as how you like it and ground reality is different and they don't have less populations and they have nearly 25-30millions outside of the country making them nearly 110mio.

Also I don't understand all this shia shia stuff you screaming about Iran itself has been under Sunni control for over 1000 years.. Sunni don't see Shia some sort of great evil but just another branch that is small that they have always protected.. Turkics have ruled Iran for nearly 1000 years and you talking shxt. All that gibberish was off-topic and irrelevant.

Whatever I was talking about was academic and ground realities.. I said they won't engage the turks I meant the Russians without a nuclear warfare nobody contested that because it is a simple fact from a militaristic point of view or conventional stragetic point of view..

The Turks are in Iraq, Syria and Azerbaijan not because they are weak because they are strong.

It will play out conventionally as I said you don't need to be math genius to understand it unless you are just a layman then I won't blame you for that
 
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Battalion is more of a Turk nationalist than actual Turks lol. So strange to see. Absorbed with too much propoganda. He thinks an army of 110 million will show up on Iran's border lol.

Within the next few years, or sooner. Iran will walk into the fake Autonomous Republic of Nakhchivan without a fight, and no one will do anything about it. The political, and social ground is being prepared. Remember this post. Bookmark this post.
 
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Battalion is more of a Turk nationalist than actual Turks lol. So strange to see. Absorbed with too much propoganda. He thinks an army of 110 million will show up on Iran's border lol.

Within the next few years, or sooner. Iran will walk into the fake Autonomous Republic of Nakhchivan without a fight, and no one will do anything about it. The political, and social ground is being prepared. Remember this post. Bookmark this post.
I agree the IRI is preparing the ground for some sort of action. Not sure military or not.
 
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