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Transient restrictions while sanctions are lifted and Iran can close the UNSC nuclear file while it develops more powerful centrifuges that will be ready for mass production when the restrictions expire

As if we didn't witness how much blindness it takes to assume Washington intends to respect any of those clauses in good faith.

Not just under Trump, Obama himself started slapping additional sanctions on Iran in violation of the JCPOA. Simultaneously, agents of the USA regime were actively threatening third parties, in particular their EU vassals, to refrain from trading with or investing in Iran or else.

Instead of building leverage by accelerating the pace of enrichment to 60%, Iran voluntarily decides to REDUCE the pace of enrichment to 60%. Genius

You talk of increasing leverage through continued 60% enrichment after the USA left the nuclear deal, yet it wasn't the Rohani administration you're trying to exonerate which proceeded with such. Instead, Rohani went on about the supposed necessity to keep negotiating, calling it "the revolutionary thing to do" in a speech before students. Likewise Mar'ashi, leading figure of the technocratic-liberal Kargozaran party just weeks ago declared that Iran should have negotiated with Trump!

In addition to the fact that 60% enrichment and already accumulated stockpiles do provide ample leverage in and onto themselves, Iran is now in possession of far greater leverage than she used to when the JCPOA was implemented.

More fundamentally though, the major issue lies not in the amount of leverage but in the flawed belief of the likes of Rohani that the starting point and precondition to any fruitful endeavor is a comprehensive agreement with the west. A mindset clearly not subscribed to by the present administration. Hence their ad hoc approach to negotiation topics coupled with their adamant refusal to return to the JCPOA unless Washington offers tangible guarantees.

This sheds doubt on the very concept of leverage in this context and begs the question, what exactly would Iran need it for? A "grand bargain" with western regimes, which contrary to the liberal narrative is neither feasible nor desirable? The Rai'si administration's move towards deepening of ties with alternate emerging powers is the only way to go.

No deal is perfect, but it was a good deal for Iran at the time, hence why the entire SNSC supported it,

That doesn't justify nor explain the Rohani cabinet's mind-boggling preparedness to content itself with the strictest envisageable minimum in the negotiations.

The JCPOA was not beneficial to Iran given that she reaped next to nothing from it while conceding a whole lot.

including your infallible hero Khamenei

Because Rohani enjoyed a popular mandate which the Supreme Leader did not wish to ignore.

Inform yourself about the theological tenets of Shia Islam: infallibility is a property exclusive to the Fourteen Ma'sumin.

This said, the term hero definitely describes seyyed Khamenei (h.A.) far better than the liberals. If it wasn't for seyyed Khamenei (h.A.) and Sepah, JCPOA's II and III would have been imposed on Iran by now and there would have been very little left of Iran's regional and military prowess you take pride in on a daily basis.

You claim victory from that? Pathetic

Simply put, the USA regime knows perfectly well that under the present Iranian administration it stands no chance of extracting through negotiations, the sort of concessions it ultimately seeks from Iran, whereas liberals in charge would offer Washington those same concessions on a silver platter. Dwelling in denial about this is absurd.

Equally absurd is the twin contention that acquiescing to <5% enrichment is somehow an achievement but 60% enrichment is capitulation.


It's all over the liberal press and recurrent in statements from liberal politicians. One example among countless others being Rohani's 2016 Noruz address during which he expressed hope of concluding JCPOA's II and III soon after.


You claimed they were aiming for a more unfavorable version of the JCPOA. This of course is entirely counter-factual since Ra'isi's negotiating team is on the record for insisting upon additional implementation guarantees from the USA, without offering the slightest thing in return. A fantastic display of principled steadfastness at the service of both the national interest and haqq.

Moreover, it should have been clear as day to any seasoned observer that the Biden regime would naturally reject such conditions. In other terms the Ra'isi administration conducted talks for a hypothetical revival of the JCPOA in such a way as to guarantee their failure beforehand. Knowingly so, in all probability.

The JCPOA was never popular in certain power centres in the US (including congress), and the protests in Iran made the US returning to the JCPOA even more untenable. Basic facts.

Protests were insignificant so they wouldn't likely have such an impact. As far as the violent riots are concerned, they were actively encouraged by the USA regime's propaganda, psy-ops and intelligence apparatus with the aim of bringing Iran to her knees. It failed miserably, given the resoluteness of the Leadership, of the revolutionary people of Iran and of the current administration, which cannot be blackmailed through such means.

Liberals however are known to instrumentalize such events like these in order to push through their defeatist foreign policy. Historically, the so-called "Green movement" fitna of 2009 was capitalized upon by Rafsanjani and his protégés to pressure the system into moving towards what would then result in the JCPOA.

And they did try to extract further concessions, Biden refused to lift the poison pill terrorist designation of the IRGC. But they don't even need to enter a deal or lift sanctions to extract concessions when Iran voluntarily reduces enrichment anyway

Iran is enriching at 60% as we speak, a right liberals were more than glad to negotiate away with no intention of reversal after Trump tore the JCPOA.

And again your comment obfuscating the essence of USA policy towards Iran. Iran simply reducing the pace of her 60% enrichment - which remains to be proven by the way (enough lies about the prisoner exchange were debunked so far), is nothing to write home about from Washington's perspective. What they're obviously after is neutralization of Iran's nuclear break out capability, which the JCPOA provided them to a large extent but which Iran's current enrichment policy (complete with the building of new underground facilities) obviously does not. In other terms the USA today are much further away from their goal than during the Rohani years.

Furthermore Washington always considered the JCPOA as a springboard toward follow-on deals whereby the Islamic Republic's network of regional alliances as well as her missile power would be dismantled. The idea was to stop short from implementing their JCPOA engagements while having Iran implement hers, and then keep formulating demand upon demand all the while of dangling the fallacious prospect of sanctions relief, up until the point where Iran would be deprived of the bulk of her deterrence assets. As opposed to principlists and revolutionaries, liberals were and are enthusiastic about playing along.

As a matter of fact reformists / moderates are advocating such deals all the time, and through the JCPOA they were about to entrap Iran into a mechanism which would inevitably have led to this very outcome, had they had way. Thankfully though the Ra'isi administration understands NATO objectives and contrary to reformists and moderates it harbors no nostalgia for Iran's pre-revolutionary state of neo-colonial submission, which is why it will never adhere to such a dangerous mechanism in the first place. The JCPOA was conceived of as a comprehensive process to be expanded upon in other areas step by step. The recent prisoner exchange isn't. It's literally like night and day, something no informed and honest person can possibly deny.
 
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Truth however is that when it comes to the application of the dress code, the Iranian government has never shown as much laxity as it's doing now, tolerating far greater excesses by the westoxicated lot than ever before.
laxity in dress code!!..:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Iranian women in 21 century according to mullah government!!
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What exactly are photographs of two random persons during a protest in front of the Swedish embassy, and of a few others at a traditional costumed Ashura play supposed to prove about the current application of the dress code?

Over the past centuries the latter has never been implemented with the present amount of laxity and that's a simple fact.
 
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What exactly are photographs of two random persons during a protest in front of the Swedish embassy, and of a few others at a traditional costumed Ashura play supposed to prove about the current application of the dress code?

Over the past centuries the latter has never been implemented with the current amount of laxity and that's a simple fact.
The only laxity I hear about is that they are not killing them .....they just fine them ...one month salary......more profitable this way and less headache for mullahs I guess.:undecided:
 
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The only laxity I hear about is that they are not killing them .....they just fine them ...one month salary......more profitable this way and less headache for mullahs I guess.:undecided:

Show me a person fined the equivalent of a monthly salary, then we'll talk. Never have people been able to violate the dress code without prosecution as they are today.

Contrary to your repeated suggestions that said law's application has been tightened, which is simply untrue. So whatever happens from here on, you've already posted incorrect information.
 
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We shall see how the new so called "improved" application of the Hijab law is going to be implemented..I have an open mind.
 
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Helicopter crash at Kermanshah, all passengers alive
police force need to revise its maintenance program for its aviation it seems the rate of accident in that branch is higher than other civilian and armed force branches
 
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What exactly are photographs of two random persons during a protest in front of the Swedish embassy, and of a few others at a traditional costumed Ashura play supposed to prove about the current application of the dress code?

Over the past centuries the latter has never been implemented with the present amount of laxity and that's a simple fact.
when the new law put a fine of 10million toman something around 20 month of minimum wage or 10-15 time of average wage and it deduced from your banking account automatically without a court hearing or any mechanism in the law to challenge it , can you explain it how its lax
by the way the same law remove your civil right such as the right of having a passport and leaving the country if you decide you can't accept it . it also remove your right to complain about the law or mandatory hijab on the pain of arrest and barring you from voicing your taught on social medias

in short the law in any aspect is against our constitution funny part they decided to pass it without discussing it in parliament in a questionable voting that mr. Qalibaf accidentally decided not to mention how many people were against discussing it only by 13 people and how many wanted to discuss it in parliament . not to mention there was 1600 request filed for adding amendment and fixing the law.

The only laxity I hear about is that they are not killing them .....they just fine them ...one month salary......more profitable this way and less headache for mullahs I guess.:undecided:
they must be very rich that 1 month salary for them be 150 million toman, its 20 time minimum wage and 10-15 time average monthly wage.
 
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Show me a person fined the equivalent of a monthly salary, then we'll talk. Never have people been able to violate the dress code without prosecution as they are today.

Contrary to your repeated suggestions that said law's application has been tightened, which is simply untrue. So whatever happens from here on, you've already posted incorrect information.
the new law supposed to get implemented in one month , how he supposed to show any one who have been fined with it ?
 
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Arab worshipping mullahs of Iran at it again:

As if sending 4 million Iranians to Iraq at a cost of one billion dollars to Iranian economy ($200 dollars per person hard currency alone) was not enough our roads minister give away the Iranian river part also to make Iraqis happy!!!. what is next ..our islands or Persian gulf..!!!:pissed:

Iranian road minister give away Iranian side of the river (ARVAND ROUD) to Iraq and calls it "Shatt al arab".


بذرپاش: پل متحرک بر روی رود شط العرب توسط ایران احداث می‌شود​


وی افزود: مقرر شد تا زمین‌های موردنیاز اطراف رودخانه شط‌العرب برای احداث پل در اختیار جمهوری اسلامی ایران قرار بگیرد و طرق عراقی متعهد شد این امر هرچه سریعتر انجام شود.
 
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when the new law put a fine of 10million toman something around 20 month of minimum wage or 10-15 time of average wage and it deduced from your banking account automatically without a court hearing or any mechanism in the law to challenge it , can you explain it how its lax
by the way the same law remove your civil right such as the right of having a passport and leaving the country if you decide you can't accept it . it also remove your right to complain about the law or mandatory hijab on the pain of arrest and barring you from voicing your taught on social medias

in short the law in any aspect is against our constitution funny part they decided to pass it without discussing it in parliament in a questionable voting that mr. Qalibaf accidentally decided not to mention how many people were against discussing it only by 13 people and how many wanted to discuss it in parliament . not to mention there was 1600 request filed for adding amendment and fixing the law.


they must be very rich that 1 month salary for them be 150 million toman, its 20 time minimum wage and 10-15 time average monthly wage.

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Although your comprehension of the English language is notoriously shaky, you're fully aware for having read the past few posts - which happened to be formulated in such an accessible fashion that even you stand to grasp their meaning, that I never uttered the slightest comment on whether or not the dress code (past or present) is lax.

What I stated is absolutely and undeniably factual. No amount of hollow strawmen will change this.

the new law supposed to get implemented in one month , how he supposed to show any one who have been fined with it ?

Strawman and feigned ignorance again. Was this basically about the new law? Or rather about certain falsehoods the user has been issuing over the past twelve months? Answer's obvious, and you know it.



We shall see how the new so called "improved" application of the Hijab law is going to be implemented..I have an open mind.

Point isn't whether the newly voted law is really going to be implemented in a systematic fashion (far from certain, given past practice and the level of legal security in Iran in general) or if authorities will fail to do so as with the current dress code.

Rather, it's that you have repeatedly been insinuating over the past twelve months that application of the existing dress code in 2023 has become stricter than it used to be. This is simply not true, the exact opposite actually happens to be the case.

My concern here is that political partisanship ought not be viewed as a valid reason for bending and misrepresenting ground reality.
 
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Arab worshipping mullahs of Iran at it again:

As if sending 4 million Iranians to Iraq at a cost of one billion dollars to Iranian economy ($200 dollars per person hard currency alone) was not enough our roads minister give away the Iranian river part also to make Iraqis happy!!!. what is next ..our islands or Persian gulf..!!!:pissed:

Iranian road minister give away Iranian side of the river (ARVAND ROUD) to Iraq and calls it "Shatt al arab".


بذرپاش: پل متحرک بر روی رود شط العرب توسط ایران احداث می‌شود​


وی افزود: مقرر شد تا زمین‌های موردنیاز اطراف رودخانه شط‌العرب برای احداث پل در اختیار جمهوری اسلامی ایران قرار بگیرد و طرق عراقی متعهد شد این امر هرچه سریعتر انجام شود.
 
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