Iranian Chill Thread

[Stryker1982]

you can put it at the sole of your shoe , you can hide it inside your trousers ,
you can sew it inside your hand bag ........

Would be interesting to see if they waive clothing policy + Hijab policy in Kish Island specifically. Otherwise the whole thing is probably pointless.

 

[SalarHaqq]

do you recall some years ago about videos of foreign pilgrim's to Mashhad and some houses there ? did you forget the protest it resulted.? so again don't ever think Iranian are above such things , specially with this economic situations ? by the way there are some documentary by some famous revolutionary and principalist film maker about these things if you want i can post their links here

I especially remember how the BBC, Manoto and similar media tried to create antagonism between Iranians and Iraqis by telling both that pilgrims of the other nationality come to their country for siqeh. While it's obvious that when you have literally many millions of pilgrims, inevitably you'll find some dubious ones among them, but it's not remotely as widespread as anti-Iran propaganda media have been trying to suggest with the ostensible goal of undermining brotherly ties between Iraq and Iran.

Also you're seemingly misinterpreting my comment, for I didn't claim Iranians are above such things and I'm also aware of less religious Iranians who travel to Pattaya and Krung Thep for obvious reasons. Modern day mass tourism as a whole is a social scourge if I'm asked.

I stated the law should be the same for all and that therefore, there can be no tolerance for massive infringement of legislation relating to intimate relationships. We can't deliberately invite on Iranian soil people of whom we know in advance that the extreme majority among them - unlike pilgrims, are accustomed to engaging in these illegal and un-Islamic activities, and for whom a holiday without these is simply unbearable - again unlike the majority of religious pilgrims. So it'd be irresponsible and shameful to encourage them to stay in Iran knowing full well what their customs are and how much they tend to conflict with Islamic Iranian law.

Furthermore, while siqeh is theoretically legal although largely frowned upon including and especially by religious people, extra-marital relations have no legal basis at all. Non-Muslim men have no legal possibility nor loophole whatsoever to contract casual intimate relationships in Islamic Iran.

come on don't be naïve . no country around Persians gulf consume as much alcohol as Iran .

Nonetheless it is and will stay illegal and it's absurd to invite foreigners among whom alcohol consumption is much more widespread than among Iranians, and whose needs you won't be able to satisfy other than by deliberately permitting outlaw dealers to sell them such beverages.

and i yet to see any high class hotel that don't serve it to its foreign guests, they are just need to be discreet .

No hotel is serving alcohol to guests in Iran. If anything, individual employees among hotel staff might be conducting illicit trade for personal profit, but this has nothing much to do with the hotel itself, nor are such practices condoned by the management. Any establishment proceeding with such activities in an organized and systematic fashion is going to get heavily sanctioned if not shut down.

in hospital when I'm at night shift , its drunk fights that we have to treat not to people who disagree on price of a refrigerator. if Iranian can get it that easy then be assured its far easier for foreigners.

It isn't easier for foreigners to procure illicit substances. A foreigner generally doesn't speak the local language and doesn't know any locals. Besides, it's the same issue once again: a state which allows people to enter its territory while being perfectly aware that the extreme majority are going to break the law, and that law enforcement will thus need to be instructed to turn a blind eye, is at risk of not being taken seriously.

you can put it at the sole of your shoe ,

We're talking not a few grams of narcotics but a knife, and probably quite a long one at that since it enabled a 14 year old to martyr two and seriously wound a third person in a matter of seconds and with a limited number of slashes.

you can hide it inside your trousers ,
you can sew it inside your hand bag ........

Trousers are patted and bags inspected by security.

 

[SalarHaqq]

They'll probably open up Kish Qeshm Island etc... They are already special economic zones and to be honest, alcohol is pretty available in Iran.

EdIt: I just realized it mentions Kish and other Islands as staying destinations.

Still, alcohol and extra-marital intimate relations are outlawed in Special Economic Zones including Kish. Also notice how they state in the article that the Minister of Roads "is now planning to create the grounds for foreign fans and tourists to travel to Iran during their leisure times to visit our country’s attractions as well", so the intention isn't to keep them confined on these islands.

In most countries anything illegal will be more or less available, unless their system of governance is as draconian as Korea's. Question is only whether law enforcement and state authorities take their duty seriously to clamp down on illicit businesses. It'd be unacceptable if they made exceptions for tourists, not least because this could gradually open the door for nationwide legalization, as both liberals at home and enemies abroad are hoping for.

 

[WudangMaster]

But, how is Iran going to cater to the needs of the many drinkers among these football fans, considering that alcoholic beverages are strictly outlawed in Islamic Iran and cannot be purchased legally anywhere? To many of them, spending even a day and especially a holiday without drinking is unthinkable. It'd be a shame if police were to turn a blind eye to dealers approaching these foreigners to sell them liquor.

Also have to consider that the alcohol sold to the tourists by dealers might blind or even kill them. If Iran is to relax the rules or create some sort of exception for the "dhimmi" visitors, then the government would be obligated to ensure the alcohol is safe.
I was always under the impression that religious minorities have permission to import & possess at least wines for religious sacraments and I even saw a travel documentary in English where the jewish shop keeper in Isfahan was bragging about he actually has vodka and other liquors legally while the majority of muslims around him couldn't. The documentary was on youtube as a two part bbc program.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Also have to consider that the alcohol sold to the tourists by dealers might blind or even kill them. If Iran is to relax the rules or create some sort of exception for the "dhimmi" visitors, then the government would be obligated to ensure the alcohol is safe.
I was always under the impression that religious minorities have permission to import & possess at least wines for religious sacraments and I even saw a travel documentary in English where the jewish shop keeper in Isfahan was bragging about he actually has vodka and other liquors legally while the majority of muslims around him couldn't. The documentary was on youtube as a two part bbc program.

Exactly. At the end of the day, there are merely two possible ways around this:

1) Tolerate dealers selling tourists alcohol and instruct law enforcement not to intervene. Not only shameful, not only a privilege granted to foreigners, but moreover a potential health risk for these same tourists.

2) Grant them a special legal exemption, similar to the exemptions local religious minorities are enjoying as you mentioned.

However there's a slight problem with that: religious minorities in Iran represent no more than 1% to 2% of the population, and they have no problem being discrete enough with their alcohol consumption - they won't drink ostensibly in public nor walk around in a state of complete intoxication. Tourists however can hardly be expected to conform to these norms. A foreign tourist will want to sip their drink on the beach, and socialize with locals while high on alcohol. Can you imagine them acquiescing to consume only in their hotel rooms and making sure they won't visibly act like drunkards nor smell up public places? Not a chance.

So this will create serious issues, and if implemented it risks leading to a gradual revision of the law and outright legalization as the only means to solving the inherent contradiction pointed to above.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Would be interesting to see if they waive clothing policy + Hijab policy in Kish Island specifically. Otherwise the whole thing is probably pointless.

That's yet another important aspect indeed. Beside a few exceptions, female football fans from international backgrounds won't want to observe Islamic hejab whilst on their "World Cup" trip. As you noted it'd be pretty pointless.

Of course liberals are rubbing their hands already at the prospect of the dress code being temporarily lifted on Kish island, in hopes that this will then be permanently extended to the rest of the country. Afterall, many liberals essentially dream of turning Iran into the next Thailand (with all due respect for the people of Thailand, who've been exposed to various forms of oppression at the hands of imperialist powers).

But here's hoping that given what's at stake, revolutionary forces will surge in time to prevent this.

 

[sha ah]

 

[sha ah]

More than 1000 Ukrainian troops and marines have now surrendered to Russia in Mariupol.

Russia says over 1,000 Ukrainian marines surrender in Mariupol

Russia's defence ministry said on Wednesday that 1,026 soldiers of Ukraine's 36th Marine Brigade, including 162 officers, had surrendered in the besieged Ukrainian port city of Mariupol.

www.reuters.com

This map shows how most of humanity does not support the western backed sanctions on Russia

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1514178422037262337

Sweden to officially apply for NATO in June.

 

[jauk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1513777205960220672

These baboons did it once....threat should be taken seriously. Send a team in to liquidate this monkey, then hang him in the streets of Afghanistan so Taliban knows what happens when you make threats.

Terrible idea.

 

[sha ah]

After the Cold War, there war a huge buffer zone in between Russia and NATO. Unfortunately NATO kept expanding and now the world is closer to a nuclear war than ever before. NATO and the military industrial complex in the US has become a massive threat to global peace and stability. This is why the majority of humanity does not support the sanctions against Russia.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1514178422037262337

Sweden to officially apply for NATO in June.

 

[jauk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1514069725868871688

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

 

[TheImmortal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1514069725868871688

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

Gerald Ford took around 13 years to build, not 23 years!

But who cares about facts...

 

[lydian fall]

That's yet another important aspect indeed. Beside a few exceptions, female football fans from international backgrounds won't want to observe Islamic hejab whilst on their "World Cup" trip. As you noted it'd be pretty pointless.

Of course liberals are rubbing their hands already at the prospect of the dress code being temporarily lifted on Kish island, in hopes that this will then be permanently extended to the rest of the country. Afterall, many liberals essentially dream of turning Iran into the next Thailand (with all due respect for the people of Thailand, who've been exposed to various forms of oppression at the hands of imperialist powers).

But here's hoping that given what's at stake, revolutionary forces will surge in time to prevent this.

تبديل کردن کیش به یه فاحشه خونه اصلا کار درستی نیست

کیش میتونه به یه مرکز تجاری خوب تبديل بشه نه یه فاحشه خونه

 

[Hack-Hook]

تبديل کردن کیش به یه فاحشه خونه اصلا کار درستی نیست

کیش میتونه به یه مرکز تجاری خوب تبديل بشه نه یه فاحشه خونه

and why you think Kish will become .......