Iranian Arabs

[Surenas]

Read the article completely. It contains data. it says that they are more close to south caucasians from paternal side, and they are close to Iranians from maternal side. Actually, it has been their tradition to take women outside their community and bring them into their families, and tribes. BTW, datas are available as well.
The Fst is 0.016 and 0.010 between Mazandaranis and S. Caucasus, which shows very close relation while it is 0.084 and 0.011 between them and Iranians.

There is no point arguing since every genetic test shows that:

1) Iranian Azerbaijanis are more closer to Persians and Kurds than to Turks from Anatolia or Turkmen.
2) Iranian Azerbaijanis and Kurds are the most closest to each other.
3) Azerbaijanis are Turkified Caucasians and Iranians that adopted a Turkish language.

 

[Indischer]

Probably the dumbest question around, but here goes: Is there any difference between the term Iranian-Arab and Arab-Iranian? As in, are there Arabized Iranian groups too?

 

[rmi5]

There is no point arguing since every genetic test shows that:

1) Iranian Azerbaijanis are more closer to Persians and Kurds than to Turks from Anatolia or Turkmen.
2) Iranian Azerbaijanis and Kurds are the most closest to each other.
3) Azerbaijanis are Turkified Caucasians and Iranians that adopted a Turkish language.

You did what you do always. I showed you data from a paper which is published in elsevier, and you repeated your BS. FYI, in contrast to stateless cavemen, many of our tribes including mine have family tree and we exactly know who we are. So, spare your BS for yourself.

 

[Surenas]

You did what you do always. I showed you datas from a paper which is published in elsevier, and you repeated your BS. FYI, in contrast to cavemen, many of our tribes including mine have family tree. So, spare your BS for yourself.

Your report didn't say anything about the relations between Azerbaijanis and Persians and Kurds. But I'll guess you are as dumb as your people nickname in Iran. There is no point arguing with someone who probably has never read serious academic works in his life.

Your people have proven to be the most weakest Iranian people throughout history. Getting Turkified by a bunch of pseudo-Mongolian people that dwelled in backward yurt-tents.

Must be a reason why your people have never been famous for their scientific contribution.

Playing tough guy on the internet. You are the most pathetic member around here.

 

[al-Hasani]

Some photos of Iranian Arabs:















Last Arab Sheikh of Ahwaz:

Not many photos of ordinary Iranian Arabs let alone Arabs from the Souther

I first started to read about Iranian Arabs today so I don't know any Iranian Arabs by name. Just using google. So correct me if I find non- Iranian-Arabs.

@Indischer

Iranian-Arabs are just Iranians of an Arab origin. Just like Arab-American etc. I could have called it Arabs of Iran but since those are citizens of Iran and have lived in Iran for centuries some before Islam it would be stupid to make such a title.

I have noticed that the Arabs of Iran seem quite dark. Must be due to Ahwaz being one of the hottest places on earth literary and thus the exposure to the sun.

 

[Surenas]

@al-Hasani

Abu Nuwas, probably the most famous Arab poet, was half Persian/Arabic if I'm right, correct?

 

[rmi5]

Your report didn't say anything about the relations between Azerbaijanis and Persians and Kurds. But I'll guess you are as dumb as your people nickname in Iran. There is no point arguing with someone who probably has never read serious academic works in his life.

Your people have proven to be the most weakest Iranian people throughout history. Getting Turkified by a bunch of pseudo-Mongolian people that dwelled in backward yurt-tents.

Must be a reason why your people have never been famous for their scientific contribution.

Playing tough guy on the internet. You are the most pathetic member around here.

Based on the fact you are simply a low IQ troll, who lacks the ability to understand basic scientific facts, I don't need to bother myself to find additional sources.
BTW, the last link for you to enjoy:
Average IQ by Country

 

[al-Hasani]

@al-Hasani

Abu Nuwas, probably the most famous Arab poet, was half Persian/Arabic if I'm right, correct?

Yes, he is one of one of the greatest classical Arabic poets. But there are a lot of Arab poets. Poetry has since ancient times and continues to be an important part of Arabic culture. In general Arabs and Persians were those who enriched the Islamic culture the most especially during the Islamic Golden Age. But the advancements of Al-Andalus are overlooked here by people from the ME. Most of the Arabs and Berbers of Northern Africa look towards Al-Andalus rather than the ME.

Yes, he was born in what is today Ahwaz nearly 1300 years ago to an Arab father and an Persian mother. Today 1300 years after that is the most common Arab-Iranian mixture. Even inside Iran. Lurs are second. The same is the case on the Arabian Peninsula. Quite funny.

Abu Nuwas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Surenas]

Based on the fact you are simply a low IQ troll, who lacks the ability to understand basic scientific facts, I don't need to bother myself to find additional sources.
BTW, the last link for you to enjoy:
Average IQ by Country

Our achievements have been known throughout history. In every country we migrate to, we are the highest educated group. You Turks on the other are known for your failed integration and low education.

That is why Islamic science was dominated by Persians and Arabs and not by Turks. That is why today we have more scientific output than Turkey and Azerbaijan combined.

 

[al-Hasani]

@rmi5 @Surenas Can't both of you make peace? You are both Iranians after all and seem to have similar political views. I don't understand the animosity between you. But not my business just saying.

 

[SinaG]

@al-Hasani, I do not know when their Arab ancestors migrated to Iran. Maybe some other users can shed some light on this.

Btw Iranian Arabs don't have a typical look. Some are dark and some are light. For example that poet who got hanged a few weeks ago on terrorism charges was light:

 

[Surenas]

Yes, he is one of one of the greatest classical Arabic poets. But there are a lot of Arab poets. Poetry has since ancient times and continues to be an important part of Arabic culture. In general Arabs and Persians were those who enriched the Islamic culture the most especially during the Islamic Golden Age. But the advancements of Al-Andalus are overlooked here by people from the ME. Most of the Arabs and Berbers of Northern Africa look towards Al-Andalus rather than the ME.

Yes, he was born in what is today Ahwaz nearly 1300 years ago to an Arab father and an Persian mother. Today 1300 years after that is the most common Arab-Iranian mixture. Even inside Iran. Lurs are second. The same is the case on the Arabian Peninsula. Quite funny.

Abu Nuwas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, I know. I currently have lessons in literature of the Middle East, containing pre-Islamic poetry by Arabs. I agree that Persians and Arabs (and also Jews) enriched Islamic culture the most. In fact, I think without Persians, Islam would have looked differently.

Al-Andalus is somehow overlooked in the Middle East, although it hasn't much to do with Iranian history.

 

[al-Hasani]

@al-Hasani, I do not know when their Arab ancestors migrated to Iran. Maybe some other users can shed some light on this.

Btw Iranian Arabs don't have a typical look. Some are dark and some are light. For example that poet who got hanged a few weeks ago on terrorism charges was light:

Well Arabs are Caucasian people belonging to the Semitic people who traditionally were always considered Caucasian ("white"). even by European racialists in modern time. And I think we know that Europeans had a problem with Jew for instance hence the "Anti-Semitism" label. I mean you have radical racists in the US and Europe who do not consider Jews as Caucasian people despite them being that.



1820 drawing of a Book of Gates fresco of the tomb of Seti I, depicting (from left) four groups of people: Libyans, Nubians, Semitics, Egyptians.[2]

White people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The pseudo-Aristotelian Physiognomica (2nd century BC) in keeping with the Aristotelian doctrine of the golden mean postulates that the ideal skin tone was to be found somewhere between very dark and very light:

"Those who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians. But those who are excessively white are also cowards, as we can see from the example of women, the complexion of courage is between the two."[8]
Similar views were held by a number of Arabic writers during the time of the medieval Caliphate period. Some Arabs at the time viewed their "swarthy" skin as the ideal skin tone, in comparison to the darker Sub-Saharan Africans and the fairer "ruddy people" to the northeast (which included Turks, Greeks, Slavs and at times Persians).[9]

When many people from outside the Arab and ME think about Arabs they somehow nearly always have that stereotypical tanned and tall Bedouin with a beard in their imagination. I mean that's a tiny minority of Arabs. Look at the ruling families in the Arab world or the "pure" Arab families. They are all light-skinned mostly. The Hashemites, Al-Saud etc. The darkest ruling families in the Arab world are those from Qatar and UAE and surprise, surprise both descend from a Bedouin stock not long ago especially those from UAE (Abu Dhabi). You can read about that.

He looks like a person that has some African in him. A very distinctive look. Like a hybrid between an Afro-Arab, Arab and Persian. By no means your typical Iranian Arab, Arab, Persian or Iranian if you ask me.

If we was dark skinned as in Black I would not think twice about him not being an native African.

 

[SinaG]

Well Arabs are Caucasian people belonging to the Semitic people who traditionally were always considered Caucasian ("white"). even by European racialists in modern time. And I think we know that Europeans had a problem with Jew for instance hence the "Anti-Semitism" label. I mean you have radical racists in the US and Europe who do not consider Jews as Caucasian people despite them being that.



1820 drawing of a Book of Gates fresco of the tomb of Seti I, depicting (from left) four groups of people: Libyans, Nubians, Semitics, Egyptians.[2]

When many people from outside the Arab and ME think about Arabs they somehow nearly always have that stereotypical tanned and tall Bedouin with a beard in their imagination. I mean that's a tiny minority of Arabs. Look at the ruling families in the Arab world or the "pure" Arab families. They are all light-skinned mostly. The Hashemites, Al-Saud etc. The darkest ruling families in the Arab world are those from Qatar and UAE and surprise, surprise both descend from a Bedouin stock not long ago especially those from UAE (Abu Dhabi). You can read about that.

He looks like a person that has some African in him. A very distinctive look. Like a hybrid between an Afro-Arab, Arab and Persian. By no means your typical Iranian Arab, Arab, Persian or Iranian if you ask me.

If we was dark skinned as in Black I would not think twice about him not being an native African.

In that picture from your post, it lists semites and then lists Egyptians. But ancient Egyptians where semites. So I don't know what type of semites they are talking about. Maybe Canaanites or Phoenicians? I have been to Dubai and from what I saw there where some average skin color Emiratis and some dark tanned Emiratis. I didn't see any Emiratis with light features that you would find in Syria or Lebanon. But maybe this has to do with UAE being a very hot place. Also I seem to notice (not taking into consideration Afro-Saudis) that wealthier Saudi people tend to be lighter skinned. I don't know if this is a correct assumption or not, just something that I noticed.

 

[Surenas]

In that picture from your post, it lists semites and then lists Egyptians. But ancient Egyptians where semites. So I don't know what type of semites they are talking about. Maybe Canaanites or Phoenicians?

I've read on other sites that the third guy portrays a Jew/Israelite. I doubt the ancient Egyptians knew anything about 'Semites', which has much later be coined. And ancient Egyptians were not Semites, but Afro-Asiatic Sina. Its the same family group, but not the same sub-group.

I have been to Dubai and from what I saw there where some average skin color Emiratis and some dark tanned Emiratis. I didn't see any Emiratis with light features that you would find in Syria or Lebanon. But maybe this has to do with UAE being a very hot place. Also I seem to notice (not taking into consideration Afro-Saudis) that wealthier Saudi people tend to be lighter skinned. I don't know if this is a correct assumption or not, just something that I noticed.

I think that is correct.