Iranian Arabs

[al-Hasani]

:rof: Actually I don't mind if it turns out I am part Arab. Trolling on PDF aside I have no problem with Arabs apart from some political issues.

The Southern coast of Iran has been heavily influenced by Arab culture. There is a dialect spoken there called Bandari, that is a mixture of Persian and Arabic. I can barely understand it. Also Bandari music and food are heavily influenced by Arabic as well.

Here is a video of an Afro-Iranian and some other southern Iranians speaking in Bandari. I can't understand it. Apparently they are making fun of northern Iranians. Do you understand any of it? Can you tell the Arabic influence?

LOL. I don't understand a thing. Maybe outside 2-3 words. It sounds like Swahili. It has the stereotypical "Black person accent" or is it just me?

They seem to have a lot of fun, LOL.

 

[rmi5]

Khan is an Mongolian title origin if I recall. Mirza comes from Arabic. Does Mirza not derive from Amirzade? Amir in Arabic means prince. Don't know if there is a connection there but it is very probable.

If I recall correctly, Khan is originally a Sanskrit word. Anyway, mongolians used it as well. BTW, mirza means a person whose mother is Sadat.(Sayyed means a guy from prophets descendants and Sadat means a women who is a descendant of prophet)

 

[al-Hasani]

Most of my family would still be atypical Arab. They can't pass for Arabs IMO. I do think there is some overlap, but the differences are still great.

Genetically speaking the differences are not great. That goes for all the people of the ME btw. In terms of appearance then that obviously varies since Arabs differ a lot depending on the region, country etc. Likewise with Iranians. But just by judging from my personal experience you can often not tell apart. That does not mean that there is not a "stereotypical" look etc.

I would say it is especially the case with some Kurds, Lurs and Persians from the Southern regions of Iran (Fars Province) etc. Which geographically speaking are also just next door to the Arab world in this case the Arabian Peninsula. Even European racialists when speaking about phenotypes grouped the Arabid and Perso-Afghan sub-races together into a Orientalid race which was a sub race of the Mediterranean race. Please google it for more information.

I mean good luck with telling people on the Arabian Peninsula that have Persian or Lurs ancestry or partial ancestry apart from the locals. Locals that are not Afro-Arabs or mixed with South Asians/South East Asians etc. Often you cannot. Until you see their surnames or notice that they speak Persian or Lur at home. Let alone if those people are wearing traditional Arab dresses.

 

[SinaG]

LOL. I don't understand a thing. Maybe outside 2-3 words. It sounds like Swahili. It has the stereotypical "Black person accent" or is it just me?

They seem to have a lot of fun, LOL.

Yeah man, southern Iranians are very carefree and like a good time. Lurs like to tear it up as well. Look at this Lur wedding lol.

 

[Surenas]

Genetically speaking the differences are not great. That goes for all the people of the ME btw. In terms of appearance then that obviously varies since Arabs differ a lot depending on the region, country etc. Likewise with Iranians. But just by judging from my personal experience you can often not tell apart. That does not mean that there is not a "stereotypical" look etc.

Even on genetics. You would rarely see an Iranian being clustered with Arabs, while most Arab speaking people do cluster with each other. See, for instance, the 23andme results of Iranians and Arabs. There is a significant difference in the results.

Haplogroups don't say everything. And you have even different subclasses of haplogroups.

I would say it is especially the case with some Kurds, Lurs and Persians from the Southern regions of Iran (Fars Province) etc. Which geographically speaking are also just next door to the Arab world in this case the Arabian Peninsula. Even ancient racialists when speaking about phenotypes grouped the Arabid and Perso-Afghan sub-races together into a Orientalid race which was a sub race of the Mediterranean race. Please google it for more information.

The ancient racialists were orientalists who probably never set foot in the region.

 

[ASQ-1918]

@rmi5

Khan is certainly of Turko-Mongol origin. Don't believe everything you read on internet.

 

[rmi5]

Yeah man, southern Iranians are very carefree and like a good time. Lurs like to tear it up as well. Look at this Lur wedding lol.

They are not Lur. They are a bunch of persians from ghasem abad, close to najaf abad and Isfahan.

 

[Surenas]

Oh, and after Khorasan, Azerbaijan was the second most popular place where Arabs migrated to.

 

[SinaG]

They are not Lur. They are a bunch of persians from ghasem abad, close to najaf abad and Isfahan.

If you would be so kind as not to quote me in the future. It would be much appreciated.

 

[rmi5]

@rmi5

Khan is certainly of Turko-Mongol origin. Don't believe everything you read on internet.

I am not sure. @ghara ghan told me that it is not Turkic-Mongolian. besides, I read it somewhere that it comes from Sanskrit. Anyway, I am not sure.

 

[al-Hasani]

Even on genetics. You would rarely see an Iranian being clustered with Arabs, while most Arab speaking people do cluster with each other. See, for instance, the 23andme results of Iranians and Arabs. There is a significant difference in the results.

Haplogroups don't say everything. And you have even different subclasses of haplogroups.



The ancient racialists were orientalists who probably never set foot in the region.

In terms of clustering then I am speaking about ME people versus non-ME people. In that case most people from the ME cluster more with other ME people than they do with every other people outside of the ME. That is in general. In terms of narrowing it down then yes, then you have regional differences. Everything else would be strange. But one thing is ancestry and the other thing is your phenotype. Those two things are often separate. Yes, haplogroups are not everything indeed. Just a small part of your overall ancestry due it does show your ancestral paternal lineage though which after all is what defines your ancestry in this world and nearly always did in most cultures.

No, this is actually quite well-documented. They were fairly accurate. You should really read about it.

Most outsiders barely see much difference between people from the ME either. It's like for us outsiders then every African (or most) look identical. Likewise with all Mongoloid people or Latin Americans. But the locals can also spot those difference that we can spot in the ME. But that does not mean that people of those regions are not related because they are as well but just like in the ME they do have regional differences.

 

[Surenas]

Khan is a Sanskrit suffix coming from the Sanskrit word 'khana'.

A Practical Sanskrit Dictionary with Transliteration, Accentuation, and ... - Arthur Anthony Macdonell - Google Boeken

 

[rmi5]

Trust me, many Persians, Lurs and Kurds could pass for Arabs and vice versa. I see it all the time. I know that it might be blasphemous for some nationalists but even if you notice genetics etc. all people of the ME cluster with each other more than they do with any other outsiders no matter what language they speak or what ethnicity they belong to. In general that is.

I mean you cannot nearly distinguish people of Persian/Lur ancestry in the Gulf or those that are mixed with the local population.

That's what we tell them as well. They, persians, and kurds can pass as arabs, and in the east, they look like afghans, Pashthuns and tajiks, specially.

 

[Surenas]

In terms of clustering then I am speaking about ME people versus non-ME people. In that case most people from the ME cluster more with other ME people than they do with every other people outside of the ME. That is in general. In terms of narrowing it down then yes, then you have regional differences. Everything else would be strange. But one thing is ancestry and the other thing is your phenotype. Those two things are often separate. Yes, haplogroups are not everything indeed. Just a small part of your overall ancestry due it does show your ancestral paternal lineage though which after all is what defines your ancestry in this world and nearly always did in most cultures.

If you compare to Europe or East Asia indeed, but there are significant regional differences. I think, If I've to make a list, Persians cluster most with:

1) Kurds
2) Azerbaijanis/Armenians
3) North Afghanistan/Tajikistan

 

[al-Hasani]

Some photos of Iranian Arabs to get back to topic slightly:




Asadollah Alam

Mohammad Reza Ameli Tehrani

Hamid Farrokhnezhad

Mohammad Reza Naqdi

Ali Akbar Salehi

Mohammad Khazaee

Mohsen Araki

Yusef Azizi

Jawad Salehi

Iranian Arabs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia