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Iran ready to give U.S. 'slap in the face' - commander

Because you are refusing to sell su-30 to us while offer su-35 to pgcc Arabs ....



Back then when they want , they could invade me countries and topple government s but now , they can't ...

delusions aside, they still can invade and destroy countries, as we speak they are operating in Afghanistan, syria and Iraq of whom two are your neighbours.

Do you think Assad will rule stable syria again? he will ever be force of unity again in syria?
 
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Correct Fafnir, nukes are useless, because they can't be used.

Iran has accomplished victory after victory without nukes. :-)

No need for nukes!
That's an absurd logic. Nukes are meant as means of deterrence meaning to avoid war in the 1st place. They bring stability in the region.
 
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They haven't prevented hundreds of wars since 1945! Between nuclear nations and nuclear and non nuclear nations! Hundreds of wars have been fought.

The fact is that nukes are now obsolete.

That's an absurd logic. Nukes are meant as means of deterrence meaning to avoid war in the 1st place. They bring stability in the region.
 
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bro i suggest to Iran dont mess with US kindly. do your work silently and dont hope too much with others like russia or china or even Pak, India. we can support you on UN platform we can delay US threat for you. but we cant stop US if US decide to invade you, please try to understand instead of saying blah blah, try to build good relation with others. and try to build strategic partnership on ground with other nations
 
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I want more than anything, for someone to give a slap on the face to USA, the tyrant. But I don't see it happening anytime soon. The Americans are just too smart. They used stuxnet to destroy some of Iran's nuclear program and Iran could do nothing. When your enemies are stronger it is best to make alliances with them, which Pakistan did.
 
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Shahbaz, the U.S. can't put on its own diaper these days. Iran bust them up in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen. Not only that but now Iran occupy these countries too. These are defeats the U.S. can't recover from.:omghaha:

Then Pakistan defeat them badly in AfPak........:omghaha:
Then Russia beat the hell out of them in Georgia.....:omghaha:
Then Russia beat the hell out of them again in Ukraine and occupy Crimea.......:omghaha:
South China Sea battle is over before it even begin!.....:omghaha:
Now, with the U.S. economy in the toilet and China rising, these guys in Washington know there days are numbered. Trump can't do anything except surrender to Iran, like Obama before him.

it's over bro..........Russia/ China/ Iran troika with the Eurasian Integration, AIIB, OBOR and SCO are the new reality. Lets hope Pakistan join it too. The world is changing.

bro i suggest to Iran dont mess with US kindly. do your work silently and dont hope too much with others like russia or china or even Pak. we can support you on UN platform but we cant stop US if US decide to invade you
 
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Shahbaz, the U.S. can't put on its own diaper these days. Iran bust them up in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen. Not only that but now Iran occupy these countries too. These are defeats the U.S. can't recover from.:omghaha:

Then Pakistan defeat them badly in AfPak........:omghaha:
Then Russia beat the hell out of them in Georgia.....:omghaha:
Then Russia beat the hell out of them again in Ukraine and occupy Crimea.......:omghaha:
South China Sea battle is over before it even begin!.....:omghaha:
Now, with the U.S. economy in the toilet and China rising, these guys in Washington know there days are numbered. Trump can't do anything except surrender to Iran, like Obama before him.

it's over bro..........Russia/ China/ Iran troika with the Eurasian Integration, AIIB, OBOR and SCO are the new reality. Lets hope Pakistan join it too. The world is changing.
:hitwall: wish you very good luck
 
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They haven't prevented hundreds of wars since 1945! Between nuclear nations and nuclear and non nuclear nations! Hundreds of wars have been fought.

The fact is that nukes are now obsolete.
Who said they haven't prevent wars and were nukes even present until world war 2 where US used against Japan and that too at the end of the war.
You need to revisit your history class. The reason US and USSR never went to war was because of nukes. This is the same reason US always hesitated in intervening in the Taiwan conflict even when China was not advanced because of Chinese threat of using nukes. In case of India and Pakistan again the reason 2001 remained a standoff and so did 2008 was because of the presence of nukes.
Tell me which two nuclear countries have fought wars and i am talking about direct wars and not proxy wars?
If nukes were so obsolete, countries wouldn't be spending in them so much. There is a reason US and Russia still hold the world's largest nuclear stockpile.
 
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Can't post any links or articles yet........but the point is, the use of nukes is suicidal, specially on the aggressor party, because he knows he is committing suicide. It will guarantee a pariah status by the rest of the world, instantaneously! Who ever uses them now. If something that can't be used, no matter what......that makes it useless. Does that make sense to you? Strategic disarming precision weaponry is in full development now by the larger powers, where conventional weapons and space based weapons are being developed to initiate a disarming strike and render your nuke pile/ facilities useless. Pak nukes, just like anyone else's nukes are useless to say the least. Not only the fact that they can't be used, but if it comes down to it, larger powers have the ability to disarm and dismantle your nuke capability, not to mention respond with overwhelming nuke attack to totally wipe you out, before you even initiate anything, nuclear attack preparations or such. And you can't match larger powers in that criteria. You have 100's at best and they have 10's of thousands!

Argentina went head on into the Falklands, knowing full well that GB was a nuke state. Did that prevent war?
Dissolution of the USSR happened, when they had the largest stockpile of nukes. Did nukes save the Soviet Union?
Israel is widely believed to possess nukes since the late 60's. Did that prevent the 67, 73, 82 and 91 wars? Did Saddam think of IDF nuke retaliation when he lobbed scuds at Tel Aviv? South Africa's nukes were carted out the back door when the blacks came to power. What happened? Did SA nukes prevent the ANC and Namibia and Angola from taking SA head on in multiple wars?
Could Bush use nukes against Afghanistan or Saudi yahoodi in the aftermath of 9-11?

India/ Pak wars and skirmishes continue unabated. Despite nukes. Full scale wars are not prevented because of nukes, or because conventional war will eventually reach the point of using nukes, but because conventional death and destruction will destroy both nations anyway........there will be nothing left for to use your nukes on. Also economically neither can afford full scale conventional war, what to speak of going nuclear. Both are poor countries.

The dynamics of nuke brinkmanship have been studied and debunked long after the 1962 Cuban missile standoff. It was after this brinkmanship, that finally paved the eventual way for the nukes to be relegated as useless.

Search Colin Powell saying the exact same thing. He commanded 28,000 U.S. nuclear weapons in 1989. His assessment is that they were utterly useless.

Iran controls 4 Arab capitals today, without having any nukes, much to the chagrin of hillbillys or their toadys. Iran also knows very well that nukes can't be used, hence refuses to weaponize its nuclear program. The West is intimately aware of this fact. Iranian sanctions are not due to its non existant nuclear program, but because Iran is a growing imperial power.

How many capitals do you control with your nukes?

Who said they haven't prevent wars and were nukes even present until world war 2 where US used against Japan and that too at the end of the war.
You need to revisit your history class. The reason US and USSR never went to war was because of nukes. This is the same reason US always hesitated in intervening in the Taiwan conflict even when China was not advanced because of Chinese threat of using nukes. In case of India and Pakistan again the reason 2001 remained a standoff and so did 2008 was because of the presence of nukes.
Tell me which two nuclear countries have fought wars and i am talking about direct wars and not proxy wars?
If nukes were so obsolete, countries wouldn't be spending in them so much. There is a reason US and Russia still hold the world's largest nuclear stockpile.
 
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Can't post any links or articles yet........but the point is, the use of nukes is suicidal, specially on the aggressor party, because he knows he is committing suicide. It will guarantee a pariah status by the rest of the world, instantaneously! Who ever uses them now. If something that can't be used, no matter what......that makes it useless. Does that make sense to you? Strategic disarming precision weaponry is in full development now by the larger powers, where conventional weapons and space based weapons are being developed to initiate a disarming strike and render your nuke pile/ facilities useless. Pak nukes, just like anyone else's nukes are useless to say the least. Not only the fact that they can't be used, but if it comes down to it, larger powers have the ability to disarm and dismantle your nuke capability, not to mention respond with overwhelming nuke attack to totally wipe you out, before you even initiate anything, nuclear attack preparations or such. And you can't match larger powers in that criteria. You have 100's at best and they have 10's of thousands!

Argentina went head on into the Falklands, knowing full well that GB was a nuke state. Did that prevent war?
Dissolution of the USSR happened, when they had the largest stockpile of nukes. Did nukes save the Soviet Union?
Israel is widely believed to possess nukes since the late 60's. Did that prevent the 67, 73, 82 and 91 wars? Did Saddam think of IDF nuke retaliation when he lobbed scuds at Tel Aviv? South Africa's nukes were carted out the back door when the blacks came to power. What happened? Did SA nukes prevent the ANC and Namibia and Angola from taking SA head on in multiple wars?
Could Bush use nukes against Afghanistan or Saudi yahoodi in the aftermath of 9-11?

India/ Pak wars and skirmishes continue unabated. Despite nukes. Full scale wars are not prevented because of nukes, or because conventional war will eventually reach the point of using nukes, but because conventional death and destruction will destroy both nations anyway........there will be nothing left for to use your nukes on. Also economically neither can afford full scale conventional war, what to speak of going nuclear. Both are poor countries.

The dynamics of nuke brinkmanship have been studied and debunked long after the 1962 Cuban missile standoff. It was after this brinkmanship, that finally paved the eventual way for the nukes to be relegated as useless.

Search Colin Powell saying the exact same thing. He commanded 28,000 U.S. nuclear weapons in 1989. His assessment is that they were utterly useless.

Iran controls 4 Arab capitals today, without having any nukes, much to the chagrin of hillbillys or their toadys. Iran also knows very well that nukes can't be used, hence refuses to weaponize its nuclear program. The West is intimately aware of this fact. Iranian sanctions are not due to its non existant nuclear program, but because Iran is a growing imperial power.

How many capitals do you control with your nukes?
Dissolution of USSR happened because their economy bankrupted. It was not an outside invasion.
Russia took crimea right under from the US and NATO nose when they had a treaty to protect the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Why did US and NATO stopped short of intervening? Because they knew the consequence of engaging a nuclear Russia. When the same USSR threaten NATO, it was the nuclear threat that kept than the USSR at bay.
And what do you mean how many capitals do you control? Pakistan does not interfere through proxies in other counties affairs unlike Iran which has made a mess of the ME through their proxies as did SaudiArabia. Pakistan does not believe in sponsoring terrorism and destabilising other countries and de seating elected regimes just to prove a point and that too in fellow muslim countries.
As i have already said nuclear weapons serves as a purpose of deterrence which you fail to comprehend. They are not meant to be used as weapons of 1st choice but only as a last resort.
As for destroying our nukes you conveniently forget that there is a reason every country has a 2nd strike capability and now we have it too which means even if our nuclear weapons are taken out in a massive first strike, our 2nd strike capability will assure that enemy does not survive either.
 
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Dissolution of USSR happened because their economy bankrupted. It was not an outside invasion.
Hence my assertion, that nukes are useless.

[/QUOTE]Russia took crimea right under from the US and NATO nose when they had a treaty to protect the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Why did US and NATO stopped short of intervening? Because they knew the consequence of engaging a nuclear Russia. When the same USSR threaten NATO, it was the nuclear threat that kept than the USSR at bay.[/QUOTE]

You are totally disinformed! The Russian military would steam roll NATO and all others conventionally in Europe. The fighting in the Georgia, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Donbas/ Eastern Ukraine and above all in Syria has proved that beyond any doubt! NATO is no match for Russia. They are a bunch of pussies. Russian armed forces have beaten the living shit out of them, time and again. When Trump blabbers the great rebuilding of the U.S. armed forces, there is a reason for that statement, because everywhere (from Afghanistan to the Ukraine and all in between) U.S. backed toady forces and its garbage equipment have taken a beating. The resistance Troika of Russia/ China/ Iran has a good laugh at the U.S these days. :omghaha: What to speak of nuke brinkmanship these NATO pussies can't even fight Russia or Iran conventionally. Total victory for the troika, is a matter of time. The U.S. doesn't even have the balls to start anything in the SCS against China. They owe the Chinese their current bankrupt existence. Flynn started bad mouthing Iran, the U.S deep state intervened and fired his asss the next day! Trump knows his place in the pecking order.

[/QUOTE]And what do you mean how many capitals do you control? Pakistan does not interfere through proxies in other counties affairs unlike Iran which has made a mess of the ME through their proxies as did SaudiArabia. Pakistan does not believe in sponsoring terrorism and destabilising other countries and de seating elected regimes just to prove a point and that too in fellow muslim countries.[/QUOTE]

You are probably young........what can I say.........Every country plays its games, Pak included. It goes to Pakistan's credit for defeating the U.S. and it's designs in the AfPak. Full credit there btw..........Iran is happy that Pak defeated the U.S. big time in AfPak. Iran will always support Pak against the U.S.

[/QUOTE]As i have already said nuclear weapons serves as a purpose of deterrence which you fail to comprehend. They are not meant to be used as weapons of 1st choice but only as a last resort.
As for destroying our nukes you conveniently forget that there is a reason every country has a 2nd strike capability and now we have it too which means even if our nuclear weapons are taken out in a massive first strike, our 2nd strike capability will assure that enemy does not survive either.
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There is no such thing as a second strike.........in a nuclear holocaust nothing survives. No communication, no leadership, no command structure, no one to take charge, no nothing! Has never happened either, and hopefully, probably never will. Nukes have become a useless relic from the last cold war, nothing else. They simply can't be used period.
 
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Hence my assertion, that nukes are useless.

You are totally disinformed! The Russian military would steam roll NATO and all others conventionally in Europe. The fighting in the Georgia, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Donbas/ Eastern Ukraine and above all in Syria has proved that beyond any doubt! NATO is no match for Russia. They are a bunch of pussies. Russian armed forces have beaten the living shit out of them, time and again. When Trump blabbers the great rebuilding of the U.S. armed forces, there is a reason for that statement, because everywhere (from Afghanistan to the Ukraine and all in between) U.S. backed toady forces and its garbage equipment have taken a beating. The resistance Troika of Russia/ China/ Iran has a good laugh at the U.S these days. :omghaha: What to speak of nuke brinkmanship these NATO pussies can't even fight Russia or Iran conventionally. Total victory for the troika, is a matter of time. The U.S. doesn't even have the balls to start anything in the SCS against China. They owe the Chinese their current bankrupt existence. Flynn started bad mouthing Iran, the U.S deep state intervened and fired his asss the next day! Trump knows his place in the pecking order.

You are probably young........what can I say.........Every country plays its games, Pak included. It goes to Pakistan's credit for defeating the U.S. and it's designs in the AfPak. Full credit there btw..........Iran is happy that Pak defeated the U.S. big time in AfPak. Iran will always support Pak against the U.S.

There is no such thing as a second strike.........in a nuclear holocaust nothing survives. No communication, no leadership, no command structure, no one to take charge, no nothing! Has never happened either, and hopefully, probably never will. Nukes have become a useless relic from the last cold war, nothing else.
A new recruit is telling someone who is here since 2007 that you are young?:disagree:
As for the last part you are not only naive but also ignorant on your assessment of nukes being useless. You are negating the fact that the doctrine of all major military powers includes not just to maintain a nuclear deterrence but also an assured 2nd strike capability. Nobody matches the conventional superiority of the United States yet they still maintain one of the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons. Moreover US is too big to be destroyed in a single nuclear attack yet they maintain an assured second strike capability. So Its better if you educate yourself on the doctrine of nuclear weapons and its use rather than arguing uselessly just for the sake of it.
If Iran does not intend to or lacks the capacity to build a nuclear bomb does not mean it suddenly becomes useless and others are bunch of fools who are spending billions in research and development on nuclear weapons and their delivery system.
There is a reason US spends a considerate amount of time and resources to make sure others dont get nuclear capability case in point Iran even though Iran has publicly denied the intent to acquire nuclear weapons. This should tell you a thing or two about the usefulness of this otherwise deadly weapon and how this scares the shit out of these power in particular US and Israel.
 
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we can discuss this till kingdom come..........lets agree to disagree.

Have a nice day.

A new recruit is telling someone who is here since 2007 that you are young?:disagree:
As for the last part you are not only naive but also ignorant on your assessment of nukes being useless. You are negating the fact that the doctrine of all major military powers includes not just to maintain a nuclear deterrence but also an assured 2nd strike capability. Nobody matches the conventional superiority of the United States yet they still maintain one of the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons. Moreover US is too big to be destroyed in a single nuclear attack yet they maintain an assured second strike capability. So Its better if you educate yourself on the doctrine of nuclear weapons and its use rather than arguing uselessly just for the sake of it.
If Iran does not intend to or lacks the capacity to build a nuclear bomb does not mean it suddenly becomes useless and others are bunch of fools who are spending billions in research and development on nuclear weapons and their delivery system.
There is a reason US spends a considerate amount of time and resources to make sure others dont get nuclear capability case in point Iran even though Iran has publicly denied the intent to acquire nuclear weapons. This should tell you a thing or two about the usefulness of this otherwise deadly weapon and how this scares the shit out of these power in particular US and Israel.
 
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